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Binabik
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posted June 26, 2008 04:25 AM |
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Edited by Binabik at 04:26, 26 Jun 2008.
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Well, I'm against capital punishment in all cases, so this doesn't bother me.
As a side: I didn't read the whole thing, but it bothers me when I read about Justices saying things like "evolving standards of decency".
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Corribus
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posted June 26, 2008 04:30 AM |
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To be honest, I wasn't even aware that some states still had laws that allowed capital punishment for crimes aside from murder (or treason, but I suppose that's at the federal level).
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 26, 2008 04:40 AM |
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I'm incredibly disappointed in the decision. I understand that the death penalty is typically reserved for murder and capital offenses, but I don't see how this is a violation of the 8th Amendment considering the extreme depravity of the act. These freaks prey on the most defenseless members of society and ruin their lives.
I want to know what is the point of keeping such individuals alive? There is none that I can see. First off, they won't be allowed back in society, so we are stuck paying for them to rot in prison. Secondly, even if they are let out, they are more likely to go and find another victim to satisfy whatever sick compulsion drives them. Furthermore, they are more likely to be killed than other criminals, so why delay the process?
There is absolutely no redeeming or reintegrating such filth. They should be removed from society swiftly and permanently.
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Corribus
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posted June 26, 2008 04:48 AM |
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@OD
I actually heard about the decision on the radio. One point made by the host of the program (a lawyer, actually) was as follows. We was in support of the decision, although not for the reasons given by the court. His point was essentially that, if child rape was a crime punishable by the death penalty, then this would actually incentivize the murder of children, so it's better that child rape is NOT punishable by death. The logic of that argument comes from the fact that, if a rapist knows he might be subjected to capital punishment as a result of his crime, he would be better off to actually kill the kid after the fact than leaving him alive. After all, he's going to be killed if he gets caught anyway, and (supposedly) most rapists are caught due to identification from the victim. Thus, by killing the victim, he also removes the only witness. Thus, having capital punishment as a crime for child rape actually would increase the number of child rape-murders.
What do you think of this argument?
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 26, 2008 05:10 AM |
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The logic is sound but really, there isn't much keeping them from killing the kids now. What are they going to get? Two consecutive life sentences with no eligibility for parole? And that's only in states without the death penalty. Even in states that do have the death penalty, it takes so damn long for a person to be executed, it's not that great of an incentive. Forget the incentive. Like I said, there is no point in keeping such trash alive, so why bother?
My problem is that I really can't think too cleary about the topic with all of the bar subjects cluttering up my mind, sleep deprivation, my retributionist mentality, and the subleasing flashcard staring right at me.
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Binabik
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posted June 26, 2008 05:34 AM |
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You could use the same argument and say that because a criminal has already committed murder that if he knows he will get the death penalty he will kill cops who try to catch him because he has nothing to lose.....and therefore eliminate the death penalty for murder so he doesn't kill cops.
The same basic argument is also used against the three strikes laws. The police have found that criminals with two strikes against them will fight much more violently against being arrested even if they are being arrested for a fairly minor crime.
The same thing with parole violations. The violation may be minor, but if it means getting sent back to prison for a previous crime, they may kill a cop to keep from being arrested.
As I said, I'm against the death penalty in all cases. But I think this argument is poor. This type of argument can domino through the entire spectrum of crime and punishment to the point of absurdity.
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violent_flower
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posted June 26, 2008 05:01 PM |
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@ COR
The fact is and still remains that death for a child that is brutality raped once or over and over again is some time the better alternative then living everyday with that sick aching feeling of what happened. Some of those children grow up in such a dark place of blame and mental torture that they commit suicide or repeat the pattern in some cases.
The death penalty for such a heinous crime is what needs to be put in place to put additional fear into these offenders. They get off with a slap on the hand and they openly admit that if let out they will reoffend. So tell me again what possible use do we have for these individuals besides a chain gang on an island that is used for nuclear weapons testing.
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