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evildustructor
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posted February 07, 2019 11:29 AM

blob2 said:
evildustructor said:
edit: note that semi-racist is still racist


Yeah, and that's political correctness main rationale: dislike something? You can't state your opinion, because it was dubbed racist.


You can state your opinion without using the n word, come on. Being dubbed racist has like 90% of the time a reason behind it. the n word is a racist word in its roots, no wonder one would get called a racist for using it I mean. At a certain point I agree with you, but not with this example. this example wasn't really a matter of opinion imo but rather common knowledge, at least thats how i view it. To an extent political correctness is pretty cool to better get to communicate with each other without seeming like a total snow. I wouldn't run around calling everyone ín the streets idiots all day, am I too PC since i wouldn't?

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My favorite example of small "kind" changes that don't hurt anyone from last couple of days:



Yeah I mean sure, it is not hurting anyone. But it's small creeping changes like this that ultimately lead to big enforced changes that will "target" anyone who doesn't comply. You can laugh it off for now...

Regime changes start from small, harmless things...


thats just a simple patch for hearthstone lol, not too sure if i would suspect regime changes coming out of that one Still nothing to get upset about imo. pretty sure the change was made to make the game more inclusive as hearthstone has a pretty big audience altoghether, and the view of non men in the gaming community is/has been historically pretty bad overall so the changes are welcome to me at least. Still is pretty weird that they didn't go all in since they changed it to begin with
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JollyJoker
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posted February 07, 2019 11:46 AM

Except that the traffic light guy story is nonsense. No one wants to change this for the existing lights, only new ones may get "female" motives here and there - except that's not true either, since the 20 year old motives showing a girl with a dress and braids have been criticized as not in line with the current idea of female looks and have been rejected by women.

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posted February 07, 2019 12:48 PM
Edited by blob2 at 13:16, 07 Feb 2019.

evildustructor said:
You can state your opinion without using the n word, come on. Being dubbed racist has like 90% of the time a reason behind it. the n word is a racist word in its roots, no wonder one would get called a racist for using it I mean.


Yet that doesn't stop the minority in question from literally throwing the word left and right. Just listen to the music or conversations. But hey, as long as it is used only by these people it's ok right?

evildustructor said:
thats just a simple patch for hearthstone lol, not too sure if i would suspect regime changes coming out of that one Still nothing to get upset about imo.


I'm not upset. I find it funny and sad at the same time. Political correctness biggest issue imo is that while covering behind "what is just" it dabbles in the small things which ultimately lead to a state where even the most trivial things become a point of controversy which lead to ruthless attacks on others. I'm not talking about mobbing based on gender in a workplace which is a serious issue and should be mitigated. I'm talking about people ganging up on others just because sth doesn't fit their moralistic "rulebook" (for example just enter SJW + Magic the Gathering in search).

I think you are not aware of how serious backlashes some people are getting because of something called misguided justice, when related to political correctness issues.

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Minion
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posted February 07, 2019 02:43 PM

blob2 said:
Political correctness biggest issue imo is that while covering behind "what is just" it dabbles in the small things which ultimately lead to a state where even the most trivial things become a point of controversy which lead to ruthless attacks on others.


No, since this is a logical fallacy, slippery slope.

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posted February 07, 2019 03:04 PM
Edited by blob2 at 15:04, 07 Feb 2019.

Minion said:
blob2 said:
Political correctness biggest issue imo is that while covering behind "what is just" it dabbles in the small things which ultimately lead to a state where even the most trivial things become a point of controversy which lead to ruthless attacks on others.


No, since this is a logical fallacy, slippery slope.



It always starts small. And there is no middle-ground, SJW eat you whole.

Here is a channel of a guy who became a target of such mechanic and now focuses on publicizing SJW activities: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfwE_ODI1YTbdjkzuSi1Nag

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posted February 07, 2019 03:25 PM

evildustructor said:



It took me some time to actually see the difference in the two pics.


Also, applying "slippery slope fallacy" to sjw's, doesn't work. Because with sjw's, a slippery slope DOES exist. You give them and/or feminists an inch, and they'll take a mile. That's common sense to anyone who's ever had the displeasure of dealing(or discussing pretty much anything) with them.

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posted February 07, 2019 03:28 PM

Obviously, some things are also diminished by filing them under "political correctness" - the term as such is doubtful already, because it implies that it's not "correctness", but only POLITICAL correctness, and "political" has mostly a hegative connnotation.

For example - you may say, in these days it's politically correct to drive some hybrid car. But of course, everyone knows that driving a 400 HP SUV with 30 miles electric range extender won't do much for the ecology.

So the issue already starts with the phrasing.

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blob2
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posted February 07, 2019 03:28 PM

fred79 said:
Also, applying "slippery slope fallacy" to sjw's, doesn't work. Because with sjw's, a slippery slope DOES exist. You give them and/or feminists an inch, and they'll take a mile. That's common sense to anyone who's ever had the displeasure of dealing(or discussing pretty much anything) with them.


That's what I'm trying to say. It's simply wrong, I'm not ok with the fact that these kind of people are shaping modern ethics.

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posted February 07, 2019 03:31 PM

Oh, and by the way, fred, it's not yours to GIVE feminists anything because you HAVEN'T anything you COULD give. Everything you think you have was not yours to TAKE/HAVE in the first place.

You know what they say - freedom and equality has to be taken and fought for and cannot be given.

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posted February 07, 2019 03:36 PM
Edited by blob2 at 15:55, 07 Feb 2019.

JollyJoker said:
You know what they say - freedom and equality has to be taken and fought for and cannot be given.


And that's what I'm afraid of. I am truly horrified how easy it is to be targeted with false accusations, with no way to defend yourself. I'm seriously afraid that there will come a day that I will say/do one thing too many and be faced with unpleasantries, because currently I don't see any way to defend against the SJW movement.

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posted February 07, 2019 03:46 PM

JollyJoker said:
Oh, and by the way, fred, it's not yours to GIVE feminists anything because you HAVEN'T anything you COULD give. Everything you think you have was not yours to TAKE/HAVE in the first place.

You know what they say - freedom and equality has to be taken and fought for and cannot be given.


Jesus. Triggered much? Why are you getting personal with me? Oh yeah, that's right. Because you're an sjw. Sorry, i forgot. I'll let you go back to your virtue signalling now. Christ. You guys directly argue against reality and lash out at anyone calling you on your bullsnow.

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fred79
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posted February 07, 2019 04:00 PM

blob2 said:
I don't see any way to defend against the SJW movement.


Simple: stand up to them like you would any other bully. The only reason they get away with anything is because people allow themselves to be bullied. It's ridiculous what they get away with because people are so spineless and easily manipulated, for the most part.

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Minion
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posted February 07, 2019 04:01 PM

blob2 said:


That's what I'm trying to say. It's simply wrong, I'm not ok with the fact that these kind of people are shaping modern ethics.


They are not to the extent you believe, because you actively follow channels that bring every single discression from all over the world. It means your view gets horribly twisted. When I live my normal life, work, hobbie, friends etc I do not see what you see at all. Get in the real world and meet people. Maybe don't take your aunts word on what black people are like, try to meet one in person... hint hint. You might be surprised.

Now where I do agree with your worries are the consequences of false accusations. They can be devastating. They harm both men and women who have truly been sexually assaulted.

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posted February 07, 2019 04:32 PM
Edited by blob2 at 16:38, 07 Feb 2019.

Minion said:
They are not to the extent you believe, because you actively follow channels that bring every single discression from all over the world. It means your view gets horribly twisted. When I live my normal life, work, hobbie, friends etc I do not see what you see at all. Get in the real world and meet people. Maybe don't take your aunts word on what black people are like, try to meet one in person... hint hint. You might be surprised.


Actually with this statement you are doing EXACTLY the same thing as what you're claiming I'm making here @Minion. You are formulating a biased opinion on the account of (probably) thinking that I'm some kind of a withdrawn person, based on a view that every SJW-hater is some backwards person, that literally sees only the bad things in this movement through reading/hearing only bad things about them. Like I stated on some occasions I'm not against their values, but against the insanity that is starting to gather around them. I also live in a healthy environment with intelligent people who fortunately know how to take a joke (you need to take my word on that). Fortunately I don't live in America or some other highly educated country where what you "must" say is literally shoved into your throat from various directions. In my country we still have relative freedom to say what we think.

I hope what you said is only an exaggeration to add flavor to your point, not something you actually believe in. I hope you don't think SJW opponents are totally biased people who can't see good in some of their values, not counting the "warped things" they twisted them into.

The point I'm bringing this all up is because every time I see something SJW's are involved in, it brings censorship, injustice and insanity. I don't want to believe it, but there are too many accounts of it being true. This is dangerous I tell you, and it might lead to some damaging and irreversible changes in society, even to the one your claiming to be relatively safe. For now at least.

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posted February 07, 2019 04:46 PM

@blob and fred
stop listening to stupid con artists on Youtube or whoever feeds you guff, you are turning into an incel version of Don Quixote cheers lol
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posted February 07, 2019 04:55 PM

verriker said:
@blob and fred
stop listening to stupid con artists on Youtube or whoever feeds you guff, you are turning into an incel version of Don Quixote cheers lol


You know what? You are actually right! That is the most remarkable comment I've read under this thread. Why should I even bother with all this SJW and ethics nonsense? I won't change anything and reading about it will only make me more miserable.

It seems, as always, that the best opinion you can give is not giving an opinion at all.

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Stevie
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posted February 07, 2019 06:00 PM

That thing about Jaina's "core set" getting nerfed was hilarious. Totally uncalled for. But then they leave her knockers untouched in the DK version? Doesn't make any sense.
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posted February 07, 2019 06:45 PM

blob2 said:
It seems, as always, that the best opinion you can give is not giving an opinion at all.


You have to, otherwise these cockroaches will push their obsessions until they are carved in stone and become laws, if not yet. Parity men/women, racial parity,  gender multiplication fantasy, men hate, blatant anti-white racism in mainstream medias, such constant pollution will destroy what's left of this world.

Now the Pierrots of HC will get triggered, just wait

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posted February 07, 2019 06:49 PM

Salamandre said:
You have to, otherwise these cockroaches will push their obsessions until they are carved in stone and become laws, if not yet. Parity men/women, racial parity,  gender multiplication fantasy, men hate, blatant anti-white racism in mainstream medias, such constant pollution will destroy what's left of this world West.


Just a little fix while I was passing by.
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posted February 07, 2019 07:51 PM
Edited by Stevie at 19:53, 07 Feb 2019.

Salamandre said:
blob2 said:
It seems, as always, that the best opinion you can give is not giving an opinion at all.


You have to, otherwise these cockroaches will push their obsessions until they are carved in stone and become laws, if not yet. Parity men/women, racial parity,  gender multiplication fantasy, men hate, blatant anti-white racism in mainstream medias, such constant pollution will destroy what's left of this world.

Now the Pierrots of HC will get triggered, just wait


Fully agree with Sal on this one. Don't give in to people trying to shut you up or demean you for whatever reason, blob2. If you see bull****, point it out without fear. It's the only way to keep things from spiraling down further. Hit them with reason. But at the same time, choose your battles. Some voices are worth arguing with because they really believe in what they say, some just troll around throwing quick derogatory jabs just to spill vitriol.  Not worth wasting your time.
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