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posted March 03, 2010 04:14 PM |
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No. Parent can refer to a gender. A father is a parent.
Look at it like this: a "he" is not an "it", but a "father" is a "parent". (it, in the genderless/object sense, not animal/human sense)
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posted March 03, 2010 04:18 PM |
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Most English translations of that commandment are like this:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
You can certainly debate about the implications of this commandment.
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posted March 03, 2010 04:33 PM |
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Most English translations of that commandment are like this:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
You can certainly debate about the implications of this commandment.
Nah. I can quote you lots of verses that say God is the only true god and all other "gods" are false. The problem is some peopel like to draw a verse out of context snd make it mean something else.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Deu 4:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Jer 1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of their own hands.
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posted March 03, 2010 09:12 PM |
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the whole idea of "Religious exclusiveness" is something that has turned me off being a set, organised religion, which is why i prefer to think myself as a spiritual realist (I believe that everything has a soul, it's just we can't contact them). the idea of "YOU MUST WORSHIP THIS OR YOU ARE HERETIX!!!!1!!!LOL!" is a little... how can i put this fairly... possessing low self confidence about you're belief, in the need to terminate opposition.
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posted March 04, 2010 09:51 AM |
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You condemn others for saying they have the truth yet in doing so you are saying you have the truth that they are wrong. 
I hardly see how it is an indication of low self confidence to say 2 +3 = 5. In fact, it would be low self confidence to say "Maybe 2+3=5 or maybe 10 or heck it could even be 5,392."
Now certainly everyone has a right to believe whatever they wish, but it is obvious that all answers are not true just as all religions cannot be true.
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posted March 04, 2010 11:02 AM |
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why not?
why must one religion be correct?
why can't each person get his or her own come-uppance depending on what he or she believes in?
and I have to say, killing someone who doesn't believe in what you believe says alot about the credibility of you're religion if you have to silence intelligent debate.
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posted March 04, 2010 11:18 AM |
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Well, bixie, Exodus 20 (the commandment passage) has to tell us the following as well:
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Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Maybe that's answering your question.
Although I might add, that the word "jealous" - which comes in basically all English Bible translations - might as well mean "zealous", in fact, at least that's what made Luther of it in the German translation in the 16th century.
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posted March 04, 2010 02:19 PM |
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but any god, and subsequently they're more fanatical follows, who needs to include a passage invovling how he's right and you should only follow him sounds a little, as the passage says, jealous. it's like the bratty kid on the playground going "I'm bigger than you, and i'm right, so there!"
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posted March 04, 2010 03:38 PM |
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Now certainly everyone has a right to believe whatever they wish, but it is obvious that all answers are not true just as all religions cannot be true.
And of course everyone thinks HIS religion is the only truth..
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posted March 04, 2010 04:58 PM |
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Now certainly everyone has a right to believe whatever they wish, but it is obvious that all answers are not true just as all religions cannot be true.
And of course everyone thinks HIS religion is the only truth..
QP for angelito plz
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posted March 04, 2010 08:29 PM |
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why not?
why must one religion be correct?
why can't each person get his or her own come-uppance depending on what he or she believes in?
and I have to say, killing someone who doesn't believe in what you believe says alot about the credibility of you're religion if you have to silence intelligent debate.
Errrr...my religion does not kill people. However, if you want to talk killing, atheists have every other religino beat hands down there. They have murdered oh so very many people in the past 100 years.
I don't understand how you can think everyone can be in the correct religion. Jesus is either God or he is not. Christianity says he is, Islam says he is not. Atheism says ther is no God. Everyone can't be right.
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Yes, just as atheists on this board claim the religion of atheism is right.
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posted March 04, 2010 09:45 PM |
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Yes, just as atheists on this board claim the religion of atheism is right.
Only because an AMERICAN courthouse claimed Atheism to be a kind of religion, doesn't mean this counts for all people in the world.
And especially not for AGNOSTICS.
But as usual, everybody puts the words in a way they fit best for HIS point of view..
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posted March 04, 2010 10:06 PM |
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I think, it has been established, that the Court in the US ruled Atheism was a religion, is because atheists are not supposed to have disadvantages against people having a certain religion. You know, being member of a certain religion gives you rights - to follow the rites of your religion and to freely follow its rules. If you do not follow a religion, equality means that you cannot be disadvantaged because you do NOT follow a religion.
Which simply means, atheism is considered a religion when it comes to rights of equality - and that's it. It's an important judgemental call: not only are people not supposed to be disadvantaged because they follow a specific religion, someone following NO specific religion isn't to be disadvantaged against those following one either.
To give a simple example: if you cannot decline someone looking for a job because he is, say, Jewish, you cannot decline someone looking for a job because he has NO religion either.
In THIS and ONLY this sense atheism is considered a religion.
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posted March 04, 2010 11:01 PM |
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@Angelito
Why. Why do you people constantly have the need to shove atheists and agnostics in the same basket. Why.
Do I really have to explain all over again that agnostics are related to atheists as much as they're related to Muslims?
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posted March 04, 2010 11:30 PM |
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Most atheists are also agnostics.
Agnostics say, "I don't know if God exists."
Most atheists say, "I don't know if God exists, but until there's evidence of one existing, I have no reason to act as if there is one."
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posted March 04, 2010 11:43 PM |
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I'm an atheist and I say "MAYBE there is a god or more, but I don't find it very likely. At all."
Can I consider myself a humanist or atheist then?
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posted March 04, 2010 11:43 PM |
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One may just as well be both a theist and an agnostic. So if there are agnostic Christians and regular Christians, that doesn't mean that Christianity is not a religion and doesn't require faith. Same goes for atheists.
As long as there are agnostic atheists and atheists who actively believe that there are no gods, atheism can be regarded as a religion. Whether you are a religious atheist or tend toward agnosticism is your own choice, but atheism itself still requires a sort of faith.
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Errrr...my religion does not kill people. However, if you want to talk killing, atheists have every other religino beat hands down there. They have murdered oh so very many people in the past 100 years.
I don't understand how you can think everyone can be in the correct religion. Jesus is either God or he is not. Christianity says he is, Islam says he is not. Atheism says ther is no God. Everyone can't be right.
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Yes, just as atheists on this board claim the religion of atheism is right.
Atheists doesn't kill in the name of some "almighty being", that's the difference.
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posted March 05, 2010 12:32 AM |
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Bak:
No, to be a Christian you must believe that God exists. Thus, there cannot be such a thing as an agnostic Christian.
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Agnostics say that they don't know, but there's nothing forbidding them to think. An agnostic may think that God exists or that Christ was right, which in my opinion signifies an agnostic Christian.
To be an atheist you must as well believe or at least think that no god exists. According to your logic, an atheist can't be an agnostic either. It's that simple.
Seriously is this so hard to get
Forget this last part it sounded like something TheDeath would say
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