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VokialBG
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posted December 04, 2010 01:15 PM |
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Academy - 100%
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted December 04, 2010 01:25 PM |
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If Stronghold comes into H6, then I think it needs to be preceeded by Academy for its early history to make sense.
That doesn't mean it has to be a playable faction, it all depends on the 5 siblings storyline, one of them can still lead Stronghold without Academy being associated with any of the other siblings.
If Stronghold is not the 4th faction, then I don't think it's appearing in H6 at all. I don't see Ubi centering another expansion around the same faction (while they can make bigger buzz with bringing back one of the snubbed classic ones in expansions).
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DarkLord
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posted December 04, 2010 01:38 PM |
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The 4th one's behaviour will be a little hard to guess 
Is that kind of a tip to us??? i mean no Sylvan???
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Zenofex
Responsible
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posted December 04, 2010 01:47 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 13:48, 04 Dec 2010.
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It means nothing on its own. None of the existing factions' behaviour is hard to guess but still it is one of them.
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted December 04, 2010 01:47 PM |
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Meant the 5th faction, sorry. Either way here's a hint: Returning factions will not be as you know them, a lot is bound to change including lineups as well as gameplay.
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xerox
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posted December 04, 2010 01:53 PM |
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What terrain would Academy have then?
We know this Lava = Inferno, Wasteland = Necropolis and probably Summer Plains = Haven. This leaves Underground, Autumn Plains and Jungle.
Underground is obvious that it will exist. It does not mean there has to be a Dungeon faction though that could fit with the lore aswell but to me, it makes more sense as an expansion town.
Jungle. Everything points at that they have planned Nagas to play a major role in Ashan for some time now and now is the time that they will be a real faction. There is no coincidence that there is much concept art of them, we know that there will be Asian-influenced music and on the Jungle tile set, there is lots of snake-like doodads plus the mission seen on those screenshots is most likely set on the Naga islands of the Jade Sea since Svetlana frees Namtaru there, as seen in the únderground screenshots (which is most likely part of the same map).
Now we only have Autumn plains left. And I do not think that just because it is named plains, there will not be any trees.
Would the desert that the Academy faction lies in be autumn plains here? To me, Sylvan fits more to Autumn plains than Academy.
Plus they could tie this in with the story that when their Mother Tree died, the forest turned into autumn and some trees died.
Then we have the schools of magic.
Each faction will be associated with one. This is purely speculation on my part but I am quite sure they will look like this:
Haven: Light
Necro: Dark
Inferno: Fire
And now for my proposed other two factions.
Sylvan: Earth
Naga: Water
What would Academy have? They are not associated with any of the Dragons. Primordial magic? I think that sounds special and for some reason, better than the rest but that is completly my own speculatipn and primordial magic will probably be just as strong as the other types. I guess they could also go with Air magic for them because of how their city looked in H5.
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Zenofex
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posted December 04, 2010 01:56 PM |
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Academy is associated with all magic schools. They are special because they do not specialize in anything.
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DarkLord
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posted December 04, 2010 02:52 PM |
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Meant the 5th faction, sorry. Either way here's a hint: Returning factions will not be as you know them, a lot is bound to change including lineups as well as gameplay.
THAT is what i really want to hear!!! Can not wait! I expect it would be awesome!!! Overall i am soo Ready to play Heroes-6! I am sure it's gonna be Much better then HoMM5!!!
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ElonAlice_Kim
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 04, 2010 03:32 PM |
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Fortress is nothing?
fortress is nothing?
My Favorite Faction...
P.S. But, Heaven is First
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Hakkology
Hired Hero
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posted December 04, 2010 04:38 PM |
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Meant the 5th faction, sorry. Either way here's a hint: Returning factions will not be as you know them, a lot is bound to change including lineups as well as gameplay.
I'm so pumped up right nou !
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Meskyn
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posted December 04, 2010 06:50 PM |
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quote from facebook.com
"The Lamasu were a failed experiment by the wizards" "to create a superior breed of beastmen"
I don't know if Academy will be the 4th faction but I am sure that wizard heroes will be homm 6th.
And normally the beast should be a faction; otherwise from where experimentation subjects.
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted December 04, 2010 07:05 PM |
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As the necromancers come from the Silver Cities, logically Academy WILL show up. Well unless the Necromancers are considered the Academy right now *shrugs*. Since I think, however, that the 7th dragon is mentioned..that it will be Academy or Dragon Knights of some kind.
Where is Academy going to be without a desert tileset, though? 
I agree with Xerox; Sylvan is the most logical choice to fit a plains (and thus forest/trees) tileset. No other town makes as much sense. Of course, I don't see where Sylvan fits into the storyline, so that is an issue.
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Meskyn
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posted December 04, 2010 07:21 PM |
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If the ground doesn't have correspondence with any faction? Than anything is possible!
I also see a lot sand in Screenshots.
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evinin
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Servant of Asha
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posted December 04, 2010 07:28 PM |
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Edited by evinin at 19:29, 04 Dec 2010.
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Of course, I don't see where Sylvan fits into the storyline, so that is an issue.
Never thought of that... But it's true. If that's the logic, then we should wait for Academy...
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xerox
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posted December 04, 2010 07:31 PM |
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There are lots of stuff happening to Sylvan around this tiem.
Just before the Eclipse:
His head turned by a band of flatterers, the third Elf king, Arniel decided that elvish power was too decentralized, and the method of choosing a High King too random. Instead, central power was needed to go with a hereditary monarchy. While many objected to this, only Tuidhana, Queen of a tiny realm which sat on the border with the Falcon Empire, chose to act and declared her independence.
The Knights of the Holy Falcon Empire, for their part, saw an opportunity. They marched in force on Tuidhana’s borders. She appealed to Arniel for assistance, but her messengers were turned away from the High King’s court unheard. “She stands alone, let her fight alone,” was Arniel’s decree, and it was not until humans had nearly overrun all of Tuidhana’s realm before he finally acted.
With Tuidhana sufficiently humbled (or so he thought), Arniel marched his forces to the border and engaged the Human armies in the so-called War of Ashes. Neither side paid much heed to the elves whose lands they fought over. Desperate to protect her people, Tuidhana turned to other allies. As her lands were burned and her subjects killed, she made a pact with one of the few surviving Faceless, rumoured to have long since been driven extinct. If she would turn herself and her people to the worship of Malassa, the Dragon of Darkness, then the Faceless would grant her the power she wanted. Tuidhana made the bargain, and the Dark Elves were thus created from the surviving elves of her kingdom. Both elves and humans were expelled from the contested terrain, and Tuidhana reaffirmed her independence. An uneasy peace settled between Elves and the Dark Elves.
The Elves of Irollan and the Human Knights of the Holy Falcon Empire are at war, with Tuidhana's kingdom as the main battlefield. Her territory under attack from both sides, Tuidhana makes a pact with the Faceless for the power to protect her people. Those who follow her are changed by the blessing of Malassa, Dragon of Darkness. From this day on, they will be known as the Dark Elves. With the support of their new allies, they will expel both the Elves and the Humans from their land.
The Holy Falcon Empire forfeits any claim to elven lands and makes extensive reparations. The Dark Elf kingdom's independence is recognized – at sword point – by Elves and Humans, but intermittent hostilities persist across the borders.
AFTER THE ECLIPSE
(and obviously they will add a lot of stuff here)
A massive fire burns down the Elven capital. The High King Arniel dies in the flames with most of his court. Brythigga, the Mother of Trees, sacred to the Elves, is also consumed by the fire, leaving a blackened scar on the earth where nothing would ever grow again. The loss is devastating.
The Dark Elves are blamed and offered exile or death by Arniel's son, Vaniel. Most choose exile; the rest are hunted down and destroyed without mercy. Tuidhana remains with her lands and is killed.
The place where Brythigga had stood was stricken from the maps, and to this day no elf will go there. Another Mother of Trees has been consecrated, hidden deep within the forests, but no Elf will speak of her to outsiders. (Mother Tree is incinerated, the loss is DEVASTATING, resulting in Irollan getting turned into Autumn plains?)
Dragon Knights bring evidence to the Elves that Brythigga’s criminal fire was set by a Demon spy.
Emissaries are sent from the forest to the wandering Dark Elves, offering amnesty and inviting them to return home. The offer is refused.
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Looking at the timeline, it seems like they probably retconned a lot of stuff with the dates so they fit together so I think the timeline will be changed.
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Jabanoss
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posted December 04, 2010 07:47 PM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 19:48, 04 Dec 2010.
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^ This is so interesting that it a some point must be explored game-wise. However for it to work we will need both Sylvan and Dungeon, and we can only have one of them.
......Hmm but as I think about it, no we wont, we don't need both Sylvan and Dungeon.
If we were to play this in a campaign we only need Sylvan as the faction which will represent both Arniels kingdom and Tuidhanas realm. Because then they can explain it lore-wise that they only became the dungeon at the very end of all these events.
That would also be perfect for a expansion, as the dungeon can be added first then to continue to story of Tuidhana and her people.
Hmm this made my actually believe that the Sylvan is the 4th factioon, since it makes so much sense.
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Tomash
Hired Hero
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posted December 04, 2010 07:55 PM |
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Academy. Why?
- 5 children of duke Pavel, he was human so his children are human as well. Therefore they can't be elves, dwarves, orces. Maybe half-elf child, but I think it would be rather human wizard.
- Necropolis cult originated from Academy
- Life, Destruction, Death, Creation. Academy is definitely "creation".
- Lamasu was failed wizard creation.
- Svetlana is from Silver Cities
- there is no "Heroes of Might & Magic" without Academy 
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Jabanoss
Promising
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Property of Nightterror™
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posted December 04, 2010 07:57 PM |
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- there is no "Heroes of Might & Magic" without Academy
The same can be said about Dungeon 
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- there is no "Heroes of Might & Magic" without Academy
and about Stronghold :/
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vitorsly
Known Hero
Joker!
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posted December 04, 2010 08:06 PM |
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- there is no "Heroes of Might & Magic" without Academy
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Then you never played the first game
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 04, 2010 08:10 PM |
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Yeah, the child can be a half-elf, half-orc or anything like that too though something like a half-naga sounds odd. Still, other races can still be led by humans though the children do not need to be the leaders of their factions. I don't think there is any rule saying that. Like if Naga are the 5th race they could explain it with that some human explorer went to there islands and is trying to make an alliance with them or something like that.
About Sylvan -> Dungeon. Yeah, this is what I have been thiking aswell. Those events perfectly lead up to a Dungeon expansion town. It is not likely Tuidhana had a lot those Dungeon creatures at the start. She just had a normal elven kingdom from the begining.
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Over himself, over his own
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