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posted September 11, 2011 06:48 PM |
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I was in first or second grade (I was 7) and we were watching this caterpillar movie. People kept being called to leave, and no one knew what was going on. I eventually had my parents come and get me, and I was asking a friend of mine by our lockers what was going on and he didn't know, but eventually later that night I found out what happened.
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Seraphim
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posted September 12, 2011 01:07 PM |
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Apart from Americans,nobody gives a damn about the 911 attacks,at least that is my impression.
Just so that u go and say :Noway!!!
There is countless evidence not to trust US officials. The thing that shocked me was when I saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIP5ve8lDQ
As for the twin towers,I dont even believe that they fell appart because of those planes.
Imo,the attacks on iraq and aphganistan were made just for profit.
The type of profit I mean is personal or coporate profit. No free oil for you dudes. Just free oil for Shell,Exon mobile and so on.
Need I say more?
A war made in the name of companies,firms,corporations...
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Azagal
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posted September 12, 2011 01:15 PM |
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Need I say more?
Judging from what you have said already I would say no, you dont.
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gnomes2169
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posted September 13, 2011 12:42 AM |
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Need I say more?
Judging from what you have said already I would say no, you dont.
Pretty much ever on this subject. No empathy from you whatsoever for lives lost in an attack or a long, fruitless and pointless war. Some people... But I will not digress today. Needless to say that, had your country been randomly attacked, you would be sitting quite differently in your -what I assume is a- rather plush chair.
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Seraphim
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posted September 13, 2011 02:34 PM |
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Need I say more?
Judging from what you have said already I would say no, you dont.
Pretty much ever on this subject. No empathy from you whatsoever for lives lost in an attack or a long, fruitless and pointless war. Some people... But I will not digress today. Needless to say that, had your country been randomly attacked, you would be sitting quite differently in your -what I assume is a- rather plush chair.
Is not that the same with everyone else? Nobody cares about the daily chaos that happens in the middle east,Africa and so on.
If you lost somebody at the 911 attacks, then I feel sorry for you.Also,mind you that I did not post my previous post on the anniversary.It was one day later.
I guess the best thing to say in this type of threads is either nothing or expressing sorrow. Being critical or cynical is not allowed.
Well,we just have to suck whatever life throws at us and behave as nothing had happened.
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Smithey
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posted September 13, 2011 11:57 PM |
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Is not that the same with everyone else? Nobody cares about the daily chaos that happens in the middle east,Africa and so on.
If you lost somebody at the 911 attacks, then I feel sorry for you.Also,mind you that I did not post my previous post on the anniversary.It was one day later.
I guess the best thing to say in this type of threads is either nothing or expressing sorrow. Being critical or cynical is not allowed.
Well,we just have to suck whatever life throws at us and behave as nothing had happened.
Bollocks 
I care about what happens in the middle East 
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DagothGares
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posted September 14, 2011 01:19 AM |
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As for the twin towers,I dont even believe that they fell appart because of those planes.
You lost all your credibility right here, unless you were gonna be a smartass and say: "It was gravity."
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JollyJoker
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posted September 14, 2011 08:20 AM |
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I suppose, he's referencing to the bombing of 1993, that may have weakened the structure, without which the 9/11 desaster may not have occurred.
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del_diablo
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posted September 14, 2011 08:25 AM |
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As for the twin towers,I dont even believe that they fell appart because of those planes.
You lost all your credibility right here, unless you were gonna be a smartass and say: "It was gravity."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ptvvbaR0-U
If something looks like a controlled demolition, and behaves like a controlled demolition, it must be a controlled demolition.
The alternative is that the guideline every single skyscraper means that will automatically collapse in case of fire, fire which does not burn on a high enough temprature to melt steel.
The question is:
Was the charges placed there during mantainance of the building by Muslim terrorist workpower(basically Al Quida agents), or by CIA agents for the lulz?
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alcibiades
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posted September 14, 2011 11:58 AM |
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If something looks like a controlled demolition, and behaves like a controlled demolition, it must be a controlled demolition.
Eh ... no.
You guys seriously believe that kind of BS?
Take this as an educational note then:
It looks like a girl, and it behaves like a girl, but if you take it home to bed, you might be up for a surprise.
(Image taken from 2006 Miss Tiffany's transvestite beauty contest in Thailand.)
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DagothGares
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posted September 14, 2011 12:53 PM |
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No, JJ, he clearly was referencing Loose Change and the like. 
And, diablo, make sure to read page 2 and see how even a comedy site editor can debunk these guys.
Or you can go straight to their sources.
Or their other sources.
And these.
A real controlled demolition: Okay, this is against your argument entirely: this building was about half the size of WTC.
(This argument is largely a reiteration of the article, but it's rather large and I don't expect you to read it and, on my part, it's kind of lazy to be like: "Here's my argument clicky." And because I love you in a Christian way, I'll try to put up the argument that convinces me against a controlled demolition to you in my own words here.)
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CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.
Just read that. That's about 4000 explosive charges being placed, and about 3000 pounds of explosives, which it took an entire crew a month to place. Okay, so smuggling in about two tons worth of explosives is an impressive feat in itself. I mean, the WTC probably had tight security, right? The first article I linked says that 100,000 people went to work there. I mean, even these people should've noticed something about the TNT charges that suddenly appeared on a column every morning, right?
Remember, it's double the size, you'll probably need more than double the explosives, but I'm not sure since I'm not a civil or military engineer, but let's assume double. And they can't have worked by day, because, you know, 100,000 people and security and camera's and the occasional check-up by dogs who were trained to sniff bombs (after all, the WTC had been bombed in 1993 before, so there were measures to sniff out even if there was just ONE bomb, nevermind that in a period of 2 months, people were planting 8000 there.)
And that's if they had a full crew working all night long. Okay, but let's assume all the guards at the WTC were morally bankrupt and susceptible to bribe, willingness to lose their job, friends and maybe their own life notwithstanding (who knows, maybe they had a shift during the day time?) Okay, so say everyone got paid ten million or something (and the IRS didn't notice, nor did their friends, family or co-workers, nor did a guard just take the money and show up at the TIMES and be like: "GUESS WHAT THESE SUCKERS PAID ME FOR!")
Okay, assuming all that, wouldn't someone notice the four truckloads (for about 4 tons or 6000 pounds of explosives) (at the very least) they smuggled in there? No one spoke up? Okay, so they paid their supplier to shut up and, of course, the truck driver, and no one noticed. Not entering the issue about all the other people the government had to pay off (witnesses, scientists (The US of A alone has about 120,000 civil engineers), everyone who was in on it), that's a very highly unlikely scenario, isn't it? Paraphrasing David Wong: "I don't trust my government either, but this is just expecting diabolical levels of evil or sheepish stupidity from everyone else in the world."
EDIT: Damn, that man sure is pretty...
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del_diablo
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posted September 14, 2011 01:32 PM |
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It looks like a girl, and it behaves like a girl, but if you take it home to bed, you might be up for a surprise.
The groin and the body does not behave like a girls, so it can't be a girl can it?
Case, point and match? Yupp.
And cracked? They just poke at the sheer stupidity of some of the conspiracy theories.
So... really?
And don't the 911 report say that it went down due the fire? Fire which does not have a high enough temprature to melt steel?
DagothGares: Some guys doing maintenance is doing maintenance: What is unnormal about that?
And you don't need to rig the explosived directly on the colums in plain sight: You can rig them under the floor, in the ceiling, and you can give them each a battery pack and just use wireless tech instead of cables.
Its reasonable and do able.
What I however want to know is: Why both of the WTC buildings collapse?
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DagothGares
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posted September 14, 2011 01:34 PM |
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 No one loves me.
Also, you're wrong.
EDIT: Aggregation circumstances (the name is different in English, but it's the "solid-liquid-gaseous"-thing, the three states in which matter appear) changes under high pressure, don't it? Now, that steel was probably under high pressure, right (it was supporting an entire building after all)? I'm not a scientist, but I remember that from my first year of physics at high school, but if scientists say it's okay, shouldn't we take their word for it?
Not that I'm a big fan of argument auctoritatis, but I'm not arguing with people who dedicate their life to knowing the laws of physics, especially if their main antagonists are holocaust-deniers and people who believe the moon landing was fake.
EDIT2: So you claim they did two months of "maintenance" at WTC? how did they get the 4 tons of explosives without noticing? Past the dogs?
4 tons, specifically past the dogs who were trained to sniff them out.
Link to an article that claims there were dogs days before and even at the day itself. Specifically for this purpose and during two months of non-stop labour here they disguised explosives as stuff that "needs to be put there for maintenance..." and the dogs didn't notice it?
Also, David Wong is the serious editor who wanted to speak seriously about the subject.
EDIT3: I think this conspiracy BS is cheapening the whole event and hugely disrespectful towards the victims and everyone involved, as well.
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Adrius
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posted September 14, 2011 01:50 PM |
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Nr 1. argument is still how the **** they got everyone to shut up about it.
'Least one "maintenance worker" should've come out by now, though I guess Illuminati practices brainwashing as well.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted September 14, 2011 02:04 PM |
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Got to love how people write here in turns since they are on different timezones.
BTW.
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
- Benjamin Franklin
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Seraphim
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posted September 14, 2011 02:16 PM |
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Nr 1. argument is still how the **** they got everyone to shut up about it.
'Least one "maintenance worker" should've come out by now, though I guess Illuminati practices brainwashing as well.
Ok,how come that weeks after the towers went down,there was molten metal found near the rubble?
Fire or even kerosene cannot melt steel?
On the other hand there are other fishy things about the attacks as well.
A plane crash on the ground without any plane wreckage,NORAD was on practice that day for the EXACT same scenario. WTF? Nobody was there to stop the fake radar images.
There is next to no video showing how the pentagon was hit.Some mujahedeen could download the pics and than plan a bomb attack on the pentagon because of the leaked video tape.
As for the twin towers,how the heck did the entire base area get obliterated.Also,wtf happend to WTC7? It fell apart without even being hit by a plane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
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posted September 14, 2011 02:17 PM |
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What I however want to know is: Why both of the WTC buildings collapse?
A combination of structural damage and fire further damaging the skeleton of the building resulted in upper floors collapsing, and as an effect, all other floors collapsed because of domino effect. Keep in mind that upper floors weighted 100,000 tons and once they start going down, there was no stopping them.
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As for the twin towers,how the heck did the entire base area get obliterated.Also,wtf happend to WTC7? It fell apart without even being hit by a plane.
WTC7 was on fire too and it got heavily damaged when a supertall skyscraper collapsed right next to it. Do you think a supertall building collapsing right next to a smaller one has no effect on it at all? Think of massive blocks of burning debris falling from 300-400m.
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DagothGares
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posted September 14, 2011 02:18 PM |
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... I'm not even bothering with you. There are pictures of plane wreckage near the pentagon... I linked sites... You read exactly nothing of what I said or linked, I'm sure, so I'm not giving you the time of day as well.
EDIT: Clicky
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DagothGares
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posted September 14, 2011 02:44 PM |
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Wreckage at the Pentagon
Well, if you're gonna be "I don't care about counterarguments." Then why even bother? What, why, how... If I was a mod, I'd ban you instantly, since that kind of comment is just cancerous and not at all what should be found at the OSM. At least elodin has the dignity to act smug and as if he is responding to idiots, but you just...
Eff it, I'm going to get a sandwich, watch chobits and afterwards watch seven samurai with a nice girl.
My condolences to the victims of 9/11, by the way.
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Seraphim
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posted September 14, 2011 02:55 PM |
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Well, if you're gonna be "I don't care about counterarguments." Then why even bother? What, why, how... If I was a mod, I'd ban you instantly, since that kind of comment is just cancerous and not at all what should be found at the OSM. At least elodin has the dignity to act smug and as if he is responding to idiots, but you just...
Eff it, I'm going to get a sandwich, watch chobits and afterwards watch seven samurai with a nice girl.
My condolences to the victims of 9/11, by the way.
i already deleted my last post.I saw that responding that way could be inappropriate.
As for the attacks,well I have nothing more to say. I find it hard to believe this days what the media or some random "Science" documentary says.
Well,I saw the proofs,I have no need to discuss the credibility of it anymore. RIP to the victims.
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