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del_diablo
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posted October 28, 2011 11:05 PM |
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"Police brutality" is not news, if I understood it correctly it has existed since the law enforcement was formed. Its just that back in the day you bullied the poor, and then after that was no longer allowed you bullied the black.
The only difference is that we now got a information network and technology that allows us to record this and spread it.
I repeat: Its always been like this, but only recently we could record this, but the court system and the police watch organisation is still lacking.
Actually: The "best" situation that could happen is that the militants finally get tired of what the police is doing, and we get lynching mobs alongside a revamp of the US political system.
I am not saying its a good thing, nor that it will be effective, but that it needs to be done. Either be it via court, or just the mob, or some organisation, just as long as it gets done.
The same applies to a lot of politicans, but it get a bit more tricky because there are actually competent and innocent politicans that are blocked by their incompetent and corrupt bretherns.
So at the first look you can't tell the difference, and after all: Nobody wants a French witchunt do they?
Now, I hope OWS survives the winter, and then leave a large dent of some sort in the election system. They might revive the US left, they might start a civil war, they may even be just oppressed and will add steam to a already full kettle resulting in a delayed explosion.
Hopefully this will be a part of the Arabic spring, or at the least the succesful part of it.
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posted October 29, 2011 01:25 AM |
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Edited by Elodin at 01:33, 29 Oct 2011.
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It is not police brutality when the police respond to violence with tear gas. The crowd in Oakland began throwing objects at the police and were gassed. Leftist protests turning violent is nothing new or surprising. In fact the goal is often to get the police to respond with some sort of force and then to cry, "Police brutality!!! We are being oppressed by "the man!"
I'll repeat my statement that the OWS is a Marxist "movement", not at all representative of mainstream America.
It is interesting and quite telling that the "leaderless" OWS movement is actually being organized by ACORN.
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Peter Schiff takes on the OWS
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posted October 29, 2011 01:34 AM |
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Peter Shiff is full of shiff.
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posted October 29, 2011 01:40 AM |
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Source (besides Glen Beck or the like) that Acorn is behind the '99%' please?
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posted October 29, 2011 01:56 AM |
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They believe that they represent the 99% of mankind, those stupid left-wing ferals, but they don't seem to know that a silent majority does NOT support the radical communist actions of Occupy Wall Street.
Now I don't condone corporate greed nor the actions of those like Bernie Madoff (in fact I support government regulation of banks and big businesses as I'm a Keynesian), but those protesters want to burn the entire global economy down and replace it with some horrible Marxist-Leninist One World Government.
And they hate America too.
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del_diablo
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posted October 29, 2011 02:16 AM |
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It is not police brutality when the police respond to violence with tear gas. The crowd in Oakland began throwing objects at the police and were gassed. Leftist protests turning violent is nothing new or surprising. In fact the goal is often to get the police to respond with some sort of force and then to cry, "Police brutality!!! We are being oppressed by "the man!"
We have FILM of who shot first.
So SHUT UP.
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posted October 29, 2011 02:44 AM |
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Edited by Elodin at 02:46, 29 Oct 2011.
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We have FILM of who shot first.
So SHUT UP.
Here is an OSW participant admitting OWS threw rocks and bottles at the police before the police gassed them.
Before speaking so rudely to people perhaps you should get your facts straight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA
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Source (besides Glen Beck or the like) that Acorn is behind the '99%' please?
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The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.
The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.
NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.
Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/#ixzz1c7vmkPVv
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posted October 29, 2011 03:08 AM |
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well they were leaderless and someone saw an opportunity to turn the event in a way that would fit his agenda?
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posted October 29, 2011 08:21 AM |
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Edited by Shyranis at 08:24, 29 Oct 2011.
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This isn't about left and right anymore. (It never was for me anyway)
I supported the Tea Party when it was a wholesome, grassroots entity under the direction of Ron Paul. If there is one congressman who isn't influenced by dirty money it's him. Too bad it became hijacked by the Republican elite after Obama took office.
A small percentage of the crowd throwing some sticks and stones at armoured officers with shields does not warrant a direct attack in a war zone. Why do these police treat people worse than a normal soldier treats people in countries that do not have the supposed rights and freedoms of America?
What's more, you are not supposed to shoot tear gas via cannon into a crowd, you are supposed to lob tear gas grenades if you need to. The police officer aimed the cannon directly at the Marine, fracturing his skull. (He is unable to speak and has trouble spelling now) Then the police used flashbangs on the group of people who were peacefully trying to help the wounded marine. They treat people better in a war zone. They were trying to help a marine who the police shot for peacefully standing still and doing nothing a nearly point blank range.
The "Peace officers" broke the rules of engagement and chose instead to act as terrorists, attacking the innocent because a couple idiots decided to be retarded as tends to happen at any rally. You can find violent retards at any rallyin the Tea Party has plenty of violent idiots who ruin it for everybody. Why do Fox and the rest of the media not report it for Tea Party rallies so much? Because the Tea Party is Pro Republican. OWS is Anti-Government corruption. So it's anti Democrat too. And government corruption benefits the recipients of corporate welfare. There are plenty of corporation that pay their fair share and do not game the system, and the majority of OWS supporters are fine with them.
There are people among the OWS protests that ask for stupid things, like redistribution of wealth of all (even the innocent) wealthy. This is flawed. The mainstream media also continually claims that OWS doesn't have a message but these are the ones I see repeated the most:
1) Prevent banks from taking vegas-level risks and selling off intentionally toxic assets. Reinstate Glass-Steagall (Fanny and Freddy failed because they had to pay for the gambles made by said banks. Canada weathered your economy crashing so well because our banks weren't able to forge fake profits and get bailed out on failure.)
2) Corporations aren't people unless Texas can execute one. Reverse Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. (A corporation is as much of a person as a union is a person, or a social club like the YMCA. It is not.)
3) Stop the media from deliberately lying. Pass a law that you can not deliberately lie and call it news, similar to Canada’s Canada’s Radio Act. (Fact: Fox News won the right for it and all new media to lie in the courts when it was sued by former employees over lying about chemically tainted milk by Monsanto. It won because the judges found there were no laws restricting its ability to lie.)
4) Get corporate money out of politics. IE. Campaign finance reform. Punish politicians on the left and the right who take bribes monetary or physically (lobbyists often have sex with politicians too).
My idea:
Politicians are supposed to work for the people. If you are in the position as the very top public servants you should be accountable to a tee. I'd prefer if politicians had to wear a wire to record every single thing they say every day they are in office. Also if a politician proposes cutting benefits for public servants, they should instantly lose their benefits as well to save the country some money.
The US is in bad need to reform. It doesn't really need a higher tax rate at all. All the tax breaks that were given could be made permanent if the gov't got rid of the ridiculous loopholes in your tax system. (Like American made profits being shifted overseas so they do not get taxed, giving companies refunds and even more tax dollars wasted. Evil practice of companies like Bank of America, GE, Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc)
Your country is going broke because of unscrupulous people playing a stupidly simplistic Left-Right Paradigm to tear your nation asunder to sell it back in pieces.
I would also like to ask that people address each other more respectfully when addressing each other. That should go without saying.
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del_diablo
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posted October 29, 2011 12:31 PM |
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We have FILM of who shot first.
So SHUT UP.
Here is an OSW participant admitting OWS threw rocks and bottles at the police before the police gassed them.
Before speaking so rudely to people perhaps you should get your facts straight.
"The facts" is that this started with the police brutally molesting and attacking civilians who was doing nothing, with battons and riots shilds and rubber bullets.
Then some anarchist dogs raged and threw back rocks, and then the police started using tear gas as projectile weapons.
So Your the one who is swaying the truth to support your fascist agenda.
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posted October 29, 2011 04:00 PM |
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We have FILM of who shot first.
So SHUT UP.
Del diablo....... do you need to sit in the corner for a few minutes?
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del_diablo
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posted October 29, 2011 04:21 PM |
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It is not being rude when one calls out the truth, especially in the face of lies. Fascists have long attemptedto hide the truth, and will stop at nothing to keep on spreading their lies.
They will also keep on using their passive aggression, so its only fair to respond with the exact same intent as they are doing.
I guess I will just copy Elodin and say "LIES AND SLANDER! FALSE GODS! ATHEISTS MURDERS!" instead of arguing.
Tsar: Thats boring, especially when somebody already posted a hostile post devoid of truth.
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posted October 29, 2011 04:22 PM |
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Please, say what you will about Elodin, but don't smear the good name of faschism in the process please, lest I become offended  .
Lets keep things civil and to the point from here on out, yes?
Edit: Interpretation of facts is opinion. 
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del_diablo
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posted October 29, 2011 04:47 PM |
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Lets start with something simple:
A bit of information about the US wealth distribution, adjusted for inflation too
Another simple questions:
Why was the US black community not surprised about the Rodkey King incident?
Why do the US cops assault people with cameras?
Why does Oakland have a history with police violence, and nothing has been done?
Why do the fascists lie about the minimum wage?
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posted October 29, 2011 05:01 PM |
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@Del Diablo
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It is not being rude when one calls out the truth, especially in the face of lies.
Rudeness is determined not by the message, but by the way it is delivered. So let me be a little clearer - tone down the hostility, or you will be sitting in the corner for a while.
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posted October 29, 2011 05:42 PM |
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I don't see where elodin was agressive??
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posted November 03, 2011 06:01 PM |
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Elodin
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posted November 04, 2011 12:39 AM |
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Police fired tear gas as a group within the protesters lit a fire and threw stones and bottles at officers.......
One large protest banner read: "Occupy Everything, death to capitalism."
Yeah, that pretty much sums up the Marxist movement. The protesters who are arrested should be liable for the loss of revenue to businesses that had to shut down and for the loss of wages of those who got to work late because of the scumbags blocking the roads. They should also have to pay for the additional hours officers have to work to deal with their disturbances.
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posted November 04, 2011 01:37 AM |
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Yeah, that pretty much sums up the Boston Tea Party. The separatists who evaded tax payment for over two centuries should be liable for the loss of revenue to the British crown that had to relinquish control over the colony and for the loss of wages of the East India Trading Company workers who got across the ocean late because of the scumbags throwing tea into the water. They should also have to pay for the additional hours the redcoats had to work to deal with their disturbances.
Food for thought.
Well, more of a snack. Will rant 'bout all this later, if I find the time.
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posted November 04, 2011 01:49 AM |
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Yeah, that pretty much sums up the Marxist movement. The protesters who are arrested should be liable for the loss of revenue to businesses that had to shut down and for the loss of wages of those who got to work late because of the scumbags blocking the roads. They should also have to pay for the additional hours officers have to work to deal with their disturbances.
That wouldn't be a legal pain in the ass or anything. Prosecuting an entire mob. Do the people that didn't throw bottles or light fires have to pay as well? (i.e. the overwhelming majority of them).
And they'd have to pay more because some police officers had to work overtime?  Does that apply to every crime or just to rioters?
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