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GunFred
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Sexy Manticore
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posted January 02, 2013 09:08 PM |
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There are only 1 elite and 1 champion spot left now right?
I guess it will be Hydra(E) and Faceless(C).
But I wish it would be Witch(E) and Hydra(C).
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Vindicator
Supreme Hero
Right Back Extraordinaire
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posted January 02, 2013 09:11 PM |
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*Cough*It's a shout out to the H3 dungeon creature*/cough*
Ah. My bad. Still a stupid name though.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 02, 2013 10:08 PM |
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We already have the artworks for the Faceless unit and it's upgrade, so only one creature is left to be revealed. I really hope it's the classic Black Dragon (But not a purple cheap copy one! ).
I expect the lineup to be:
Core Tier
Assasain - Stalker - Lurker
Elite Tier
Manticore - Minotaur - Faceless
Champion Tier
Black Dragon
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted January 02, 2013 10:16 PM |
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Would not make sense for a Faceless to be inferior to a lesser angel. No doubt Faceless will be champion or not in dungeon at all. Black Dragon will probably appear as a minor boss.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 02, 2013 10:19 PM |
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I wouldn't expect either to reveal the champion unit the first one. We'll see soon
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 02, 2013 10:28 PM |
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Why wouldn't it make sense for Faceless to be inferior to Angels?
They're both elder races and the elder races are certainly not equal in raw strength. Just look at elves or humans. They're also elder races yet their strength is laughable when compared to Angels.
anyway the elite is faceless and the champion is purp- err... black dragon.
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Over himself, over his own
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted January 02, 2013 10:28 PM |
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The manticore looks fine, I don't mind the purple theme. I'll laugh if the last elite is the dark elemental.
The faceless will be champion.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
channeling capybara energy
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posted January 02, 2013 10:40 PM |
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Even if the dragon will turn out purple after all, they could still claim it's an homage
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted January 02, 2013 10:53 PM |
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Why wouldn't it make sense for Faceless to be inferior to Angels?
They're both elder races and the elder races are certainly not equal in raw strength. Just look at elves or humans. They're also elder races yet their strength is laughable when compared to Angels.
anyway the elite is faceless and the champion is purp- err... black dragon.
Faceless are Malassas version of Angels. Thing is, Havens angels are not even real angels. They are a kind of lesser angels yet champion tier. So if the Faceless that are supposed to rival Angels are elite tier, it means that each Faceless is pathetically weak for not being able to fight even the weakest angels and at the same level as a common darkness elemental. It is simply practically impossible for Faceless to be elite.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 02, 2013 11:10 PM |
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It's very possible that there are lesser and greater Faceless too but where does it say that they have to rival each other in strength?
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Over himself, over his own
body and
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- John Stuart Mill
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted January 02, 2013 11:22 PM |
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Edited by GunFred at 23:25, 02 Jan 2013.
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If you play the campaigns it is pretty obvious that they are each others archrivals just like angels and devils in the past games. And in the campaign, they appear as possible even stronger than the regular angels(not lesser angels). Those that appear usually leads armies as heroes which should mean that the common Faceless would at worst be on the same level as lesser angels. Looking at the artwork it appears pretty obvious that they are angels of darkness, not ordinary elite darkness elementals.
Added: They are already weakened to begin with by being in the dungeon line up. Real angels are too good for Haven but real faceless are not too good for dungeon it seems. And I have not heard anything that implies that there is a different type of faceless that is considerably weaker than real ones.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 03, 2013 12:02 AM |
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Even if the dragon will turn out purple after all, they could still claim it's an homage
Just as blue Hidras...oh sh*t
If the Faceless are the champion unit I'd be sad...
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted January 03, 2013 12:15 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 00:16, 03 Jan 2013.
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Core:
Assassin
Beholder
Witch
Elite:
Minotaur
Manticore
Faceless
Champion:
Black Dragon
Is what I'm expecting.
I stand by this post of mine from page 2.
And with Witch I meant that chakram girl thingy, we didn't have a name for her back then. And Assassin didn't even have an artwork.
Trust me, Ubi and I share a mental connection that is both interesting and tragic. I imagine stuff and they rip it off.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 03, 2013 12:21 AM |
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the tier mechanics of H6. Centaurs used to be level 2/7 in H5 and now they became elites, each game has its own rules..
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted January 03, 2013 12:48 AM |
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the tier mechanics of H6. Centaurs used to be level 2/7 in H5 and now they became elites, each game has its own rules..
It is weird how their tier improved so much but I think it was H5 that underestimated centaurs. It annoys me though that they have full range while using ordinary bows. It also makes their hit and run ability less worthy. If they had half range then they would be able to use their ability more strategically.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted January 03, 2013 07:05 AM |
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Like I said before I believe dragons will only be sub-boss in dragon utopia. The first will be introduced to is the black\shadow dragon in this expansion. I do not believe there will be any champion dragon units. For the 4 faction remaining my guess is : Faceless,Titan,Treant and Valkyrie. If there ever is an Ylath faction than a smaller Thunderbird/Rokh is the likely candidate.
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted January 03, 2013 10:22 AM |
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted January 03, 2013 11:10 AM |
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I've seen that screenshot but that might also be a tear of Asha structure or the building which is usually found bottom right in a build window in town. (above the tear structure)
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted January 03, 2013 11:26 AM |
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I'm still rooting for the Black Dragons as Champion.
And I don't quite understand all this whining about too much purple in Dungeon. It's only logical that they continue the trend in Heroes 6 to make each faction distinctive via their "color affinities". Every faction has it's own color palette, especially the upgraded version so that units of the same faction look alike (in terms of color palette). With Dungeon we already knew how they will look like when we looked on Faceless or Raelag designs (with a little twist, because I thought that not upgraded ones will also be purple, but they look more natural). It's the devs choice which they will continue with each new (possible) faction. It's also logical for Dungeon lore-wise because the upgraded version are simple units exposed to the power of Void/Darkness or sth (I'm not a specialist in lore  ). We had "complete unit randomness" with previous Heroes games (well with Heroes II or IV at least), and now we're having each faction with more of a standardized look. Deal with it.
And on the side note, I really like the Manticore/Scorpicore designs. They I are finally back after so long (I'm not counting the H5 mutant which I didn't like) and they feel right at home. Probably my favorite Dungeon unit if there will be no BD...
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted January 03, 2013 12:02 PM |
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