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Hanzan
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May Sandro rule forever
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posted October 11, 2014 12:43 AM |
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Kimarous said:
I do not expect the Lamassu to make a comeback.
Oh I do hope you're right. They did fit into the egyptian theme and all. But in the end I feel like both the lamassu and the champion unit was a lackluster. They just didnt reach all the way into the whole necropolis theme.
And I hope there will be a huge change to necropolis. Especially on the unit front. I find even the skeleton weird.... they seem to be uncomfortable bearing those spears and overall looks more like a demon/undead hybrid.
They said they want to return to the feelings in Heroes 3 and 5 so they better cut out all the crap and go back to the good old necropolis. without the intense green color...
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 12, 2014 10:25 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 22:26, 12 Oct 2014.
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while i was making some discussions in mmh7, i realised something is missing.
we need to show more undead races. some heroes can be like "zombie dwarf-might hero", "lich elf-magic hero", " undead minotaur-magic hero". i believe this can improve necro.
currently, it really looks like a undead human faction and it shouldnt be.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 12, 2014 10:31 PM |
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cleglaw said:
while i was making some discussions in mmh7, i realised something is missing.
we need to show more undead races. some heroes can be like "zombie dwarf-might hero", "lich elf-magic hero", " undead minotaur-magic hero". i believe this can improve necro.
currently, it really looks like a undead human faction and it shouldnt be.
I am in agreement, we only have one elf hero for necropolis she is a vampire. When necropolis is made up of all the races actually, Merkal pretty much states as such in clash of heroes if I recall.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 12, 2014 10:37 PM |
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cleglaw said:
w
we need to show more undead races. some heroes can be like "zombie dwarf-might hero", "lich elf-magic hero", " undead minotaur-magic hero". i believe this can improve necro.
No zombie heroes. Zombies are just bodies, without even a soul. They literally can't lead armies into battle.
And we had 2 Necro-Elves in H6, one moving Skeleton, Angel of Death and even living heroes. That doesn't count variations like Liches/Vampires/Mortals. And in DoC we have that bad@ss Fleshbane.
So yeah, we have enough of the diversity. Anyone can become a Necromancer, true, but majority is still Humans.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 12, 2014 10:58 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
cleglaw said:
w
we need to show more undead races. some heroes can be like "zombie dwarf-might hero", "lich elf-magic hero", " undead minotaur-magic hero". i believe this can improve necro.
No zombie heroes. Zombies are just bodies, without even a soul. They literally can't lead armies into battle.
And we had 2 Necro-Elves in H6, one moving Skeleton, Angel of Death and even living heroes. That doesn't count variations like Liches/Vampires/Mortals. And in DoC we have that bad@ss Fleshbane.
So yeah, we have enough of the diversity. Anyone can become a Necromancer, true, but majority is still Humans.
Yeah zombies/ghouls are a no no in my opinion.
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Lokheit
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 01:24 AM |
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Edited by Lokheit at 01:27, 13 Oct 2014.
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Am I the only one that doesn't like the direction HOMM6 took with all the vampires drinking poison ritual and basically everyone being a vampire, including liches?
Maybe it's because I dislike vampires in general (I know I'm asking too much, but I woul like a necropolis with skeletons, ghosts, wraiths, zombies, mummies, death knights... but no vampires), but I ended up getting a bit sick of that when I was making MMDOC decks and with each expansion I was more and more forced to make everything revolve around vampires. I like the liches but they kind of ruined them to me too making them technically vampires in the process. If they continue with that trend I think I will jump to Wolf Duchy based Haven as my secondary faction (first will be Dungeon  ).
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 13, 2014 08:44 AM |
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Ashan lore ftw  Sadly vampires will continue to have this.. weird backstory and liches will continue to look zombiefied. Because skeletal liches did not look cool enough..
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 13, 2014 09:15 AM |
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Skeletal Liches were the best.
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Lokheit
Known Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 12:26 PM |
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Galaad said:
Skeletal Liches were the best.
+10000000000
Yes for skeletal liches and true undead. Much better than goth/emo kids and everyone being vampires.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 13, 2014 12:28 PM |
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So how would you people react if they took the H4 approach, shifted vampires and liches to hero Classes and added something else as units.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 13, 2014 12:39 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
So how would you people react if they took the H4 approach, shifted vampires and liches to hero Classes and added something else as units.
Vampires were still creatures in H4.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 13, 2014 12:41 PM |
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Galaad said:
Skeletal Liches were the best.
So true
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 13, 2014 01:07 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Dave_Jame said:
So how would you people react if they took the H4 approach, shifted vampires and liches to hero Classes and added something else as units.
Vampires were still creatures in H4.
I know. But that was not my point
1: H4 took some creatures (Lich/death knight) and made them Heroes classes
2: The Vampirs has somehow merged with Death knight
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 13, 2014 01:24 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
I know. But that was not my point
1: H4 took some creatures (Lich/death knight) and made them Heroes classes
2: The Vampirs has somehow merged with Death knight
Ehhh, I think you're confusing Dread Knights and Death Knights. Death Knight was Hero-class in 3 as well. Dread Knights were the units.
And where it is true that H4 introduced Lich as a Hero-class, in both games beings in the state of undeath that is Lich or Vampire could be Heroes.
That being said, I'd like to keep Vampires and Liches as units, rather then Hero-classes.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 01:33 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:33, 13 Oct 2014.
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War-overlord said:
That being said, I'd like to keep Vampires and Liches as units, rather then Hero-classes.
As classes, no. As heroes, yes. Return to Heroes 3 roots please.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 01:49 PM |
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I knew that Ashan lore about Vampires and Liches sounds familiar. Then I remembered about Warhammer.
In Warhammer there is Nagash, the greatest Necromancer of all times. He is also a Lich(and if you click on that link, his Lich form is very close to Liches from Heroes 5), and he gave Elixir made of his Blood to Queen Nefarata and when she drank it, she became a first Vampire. Now it isn't really same as Ashan of course, but I find similarities with Vampires existing because of Lich's blood.
And I found this image of Warhammer's Vampire:
Does it look familiar? 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 13, 2014 01:55 PM |
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Fortunately for Warhammer, despite being way out there on some things, they're capable of writing.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 13, 2014 02:21 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
In Warhammer there is Nagash, the greatest Necromancer of all times. He is also a Lich(and if you click on that link, his Lich form is very close to Liches from Heroes 5), and he gave Elixir made of his Blood to Queen Nefarata and when she drank it, she became a first Vampire. Now it isn't really same as Ashan of course, but I find similarities with Vampires existing because of Lich's blood.
And I found this image of Warhammer's Vampire:
Does it look familiar?
Argh. Vampires are created not from Lich's blood, but through Namtaru's ;-) The similarities are very vague.
And dressing vampires as knights is an old fantasy trend tbh 
And if memory serves me right, there was Nagash in H3... does it mean something? No.
Actually, if you know history well, you should know that there's a high probability of 2 different people coming with similar (if not identical) ideas.
P.S.: I simply dislike when someone is trying to say "A ripped something from B". In that regard, I'm gonna defeat all Heroes games with no exception.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 13, 2014 02:33 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
RMZ1989 said:
In Warhammer there is Nagash, the greatest Necromancer of all times. He is also a Lich(and if you click on that link, his Lich form is very close to Liches from Heroes 5), and he gave Elixir made of his Blood to Queen Nefarata and when she drank it, she became a first Vampire. Now it isn't really same as Ashan of course, but I find similarities with Vampires existing because of Lich's blood.
And I found this image of Warhammer's Vampire:
Does it look familiar?
Argh. Vampires are created not from Lich's blood, but through Namtaru's ;-) The similarities are very vague.
And dressing vampires as knights is an old fantasy trend tbh
And if memory serves me right, there was Nagash in H3... does it mean something? No.
Actually, if you know history well, you should know that there's a high probability of 2 different people coming with similar (if not identical) ideas.
P.S.: I simply dislike when someone is trying to say "A ripped something from B". In that regard, I'm gonna defeat all Heroes games with no exception.
I am actually not the guy who just tries to spot similarities in lore/art/style between different games/universes, but some of them are quite obvious to me.
They are created by drinking someone's blood, in Warhammer's case it is from Lich, in Heroes case, Liches are drinking Namtaru's blood. Vampire Knights are fairly common, sure, but to be this similar in look? Liches from H5 and Vampires from H6 look very very close to ones from Warhammer, and we already know that H5 Dark Elves are basically completely ripped off from Warhammer so you can defend it all you want.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 13, 2014 03:08 PM |
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Well RMZ1989, I think you just hit the old song from nival that goes "LET US PUTT AS MUCH WH IN H5 AS THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH"
Design, ideas etc. some visuals were inspired by WH for IDK what russian love of WH and the same, or even bigger love for heroes.
Eversince this Ubi took over the DJ post and starting playing his song of "Make it as distingushable but at the same time close to high fantasy as possible"
You might have noticed how vizuals changed since H5 in the case of creatures like the lich. People here like the H5 lich and I'm one of them, (man his melee animation was legendary) but the change of the look was not so much lore connected, rather than a move not to risk another collision with WH owners.
It is interesting how H5, and H6 developers had a connection to WH. One of them (Nival) liked the designed so much that they just had to put them into the game, and the other (Blackhole) was chosen, among other reasons, for his work on a WH game.
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