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posted November 24, 2015 09:56 PM |
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Talking about Christianity
Nothing relaxes more than little religion talk, right? 
Seriously, I like bible studies, theology and talk about christianity.
Been christian for 6 years now and it really has given me hope in my life.
For start, i question you, what you think about christianity? Then you can ask me anything or 'throw your two cents' (that doesn't still save your soul tough )
I don't get offended if you have some harsh to say, i know that everything what have done 'in the name of christianity' aren't all good etc.
Now let's start.
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posted November 24, 2015 10:16 PM |
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Here goes.
Being a Christian, as much as some like to point out what Christians did in the name of religion to "heretics, witches, pagans" or to Natives of South and Central America, Christianity is not defined by them. I consider the Bible inspired, and what theologians later wrote may or may not be useful.
I don't believe in anything that goes against the New Testament, which would be things like : hate your enemies, take vengeance, deny your faith, or believe in superiority based on nationality, gender and social status, no matter what others did. I don't think I should be responsible for anyone's actions but mine.
And I do think that the the two Churches that split between East and West as well as the various newer cults and Protestant denominations interpret the Scriptures differently, and that's where the "fun" starts.
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posted November 24, 2015 10:19 PM |
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every religion has it's own merits. the problem comes when followers take what they want out of it, and not use the good things in it as guidelines to be a better person. people being hyprocrites, kinda nixes anything good about religious text anyway. humans use it mostly as just another reason to push their agendas on others, because of that gosh-darn ego we all have.
i see how religion does good things for people as far as hope goes, but no one should ever operate on hope alone; they should try incorporating "common" sense a little more into their lives. people who believe these early human governing systems to be the word of any god, are missing the point of the religion's original intent. which is, peace and stability among mankind(although, every religion i know seems to think that the natural world should take a back seat to humanity, which i think is outright snowing retarded). sometimes the writers let a little more rage and hate into their texts than they should have(perhaps, a whole snow-ton). they should have all stuck with the peace thing instead, so that nothing could be misinterpreted or used as a reason for violent action against one another(yeah, right. people would have found a way regardless. because humans are simply destructive creatures).
but in my own opinion, religion is outdated. governments have taken religion's original place in the world, and followers of governed society have taken their governments with the same seriousness as they took their bibles, instead of understanding their initial purpose: to hold and keep the peace among the masses.
really, human ego's snow everything up. nothing will save any of us, and it's frightfully naive to think otherwise. you're better off preparing for the end, and keeping religion's best intentions in mind and heart. hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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posted November 24, 2015 10:28 PM |
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I agree with your last paragraph on the ego fred. And I think that faith or hope alone does nothing in the long run. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" means to actually make efforts, and many don't like that.
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posted November 24, 2015 11:51 PM |
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So which one are you Deus, Orthodox or Roman Catholic? In Finland where I live, almost all are lutheran if any. I don't like labeling myself but protestant i am, but firstly christian. Member of body of Christ.
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posted November 25, 2015 12:05 AM |
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I am educated Orthodox but I looked into the others too, very much. I can't say I am full Orthodox or that I am partial Protestant or partial Catholic because I appreciate some of the theologians. I am simply Christian.
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posted November 25, 2015 01:00 AM |
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Thank you for your thoughts Fred.
Agreed that people tend to push their own agendas and human hunger or lust for power is brutal. I don't think church initial job have ever been ruling a contry or politics for that matter. Jesus talked lot about kingdom of God and they asked often how or when it's gonna happen. Here is scripture quote:
Being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The Kingdom of God doesn't come with observation; neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20-21) World English Bible
So basically kingdom of God is in your heart. And from your heart comes the good deeds etc. That's the job and kingdom, to spread the luv. Gosbel, the good news (what it means) the evangelium.
But no, we are more cared of gay parades and lifting our signs saying go to hell sinners! How embarssing, what a farce.
I'm not saying that chuch should give up it's power. It should do what it where supposed to do, feed the poor, taking care of the homeless and sharing gosbel. I'm not either saying we shouldn't say what's wrong and what is right. But it goes to def ears if nothing good is shown in our deeds. Who gonna buy that if we are all hypocrites? It's like pissing on the wind.
Yeah, i think we have screwed up pretty good but we are humans. That's my two cents. God is still good, message is still clear, somehow the connection whit receiving and delivering it still bugs big time 
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posted November 25, 2015 01:12 AM |
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Yeah, I wish there were no more divisions based on how we should worship. We should focus on the Gospel, and what the Christ commanded his disciples to do and what they repeated. which is clear to me... and I think to many more.
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posted November 25, 2015 02:18 AM |
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Christianity is about how we relate to God and to our fellow man. Jesus said what God required of us can be summed up as to love God with all that we are and to love our fellow man as ourselves.
Christianity I think is in many ways not well represented by many of the organizations that have grown up around it. Organization to serve the believers is one thing. But too often the organization turns into believers serving the organization rather than the believers serving God, each other, and the world in love.
I'm big on God and people. On organizations not so much.
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posted November 25, 2015 02:32 AM |
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Same for me Elodin. Unfortunately, the Orthodox and especially Catholics have a bit of a different opinion about their own organization, speaking from my own experience.
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posted November 25, 2015 04:21 AM |
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Homer171 said:
Nothing relaxes more than little religion talk, right?
Seriously, I like bible studies, theology and talk about christianity.
Been christian for 6 years now and it really has given me hope in my life.
For start, i question you, what you think about christianity? Then you can ask me anything or 'throw your two cents' (that doesn't still save your soul tough )
I don't get offended if you have some harsh to say, i know that everything what have done 'in the name of christianity' aren't all good etc.
Now let's start.
What do I think about christianity? It's the one true religion. Orthodox christianity, that is.
I'm pretty radical about that. I don't think the fun starts in dissent among christians as Drakon said. I strongly reject heresies, what does not mean I make ill treatment of heretics or even non-christians. God commanded us to love our neighbor, I strife with that.
As fred correctly said, there's always the bad human elements in everything. Christianity is no different. Yesterday's saint was an example of that: he was largely persecuted by iconoclasts and temporal authorities trying to push their views and alter Church Tradition:
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The Monk Theodore the Studite was born in the year 758 at Constantinople into a family of the imperial tax-collector Photinos and his spouse Theoktista – both pious Christians. The Monk Theodore received a serious and systematic education from the best rhetoricians, philosophers and theologians within the capital city.
During this time in the Byzantine empire the Iconoclast heresy had become widespread, and it was supported also by the impious emperor Constantine Kopronymos (741-775). the views of the emperor-iconoclast and his court decidedly conflicted with the religious sensitivity of Photinos, who was fervently an adherent of Orthodoxy, and so he left government service. Later on the parents of Saint Theodore, by mutual consent, gave away their substance to the poor, took their leave of each other and accepted monastic tonsure. Their son Theodore soon became widely known in the capital for his participation of the then numerous disputes concerning icon-veneration. Accomplished in the oratorical art, and with a free command of terminology and logic of the philosophers, and chief thing of all, a profound knowledge of Christian dogmatics, adept in the letter and the spirit of the Holy Scriptures, – all this invariably brought victory in the disputes to Saint Theodore, the zealous denouncer of the Iconoclast heresy.
The VII OEcumenical Council put an end to the Church dissensions. It was convened through the initiative and under the auspices of the pious Empress Irene. The OEcumenical Council through its settings as he highest authority in the life of the Church forever denounced and spurned Iconoclasm.
Among the fathers of the Council was Blessed Platon (Comm. 5 April), an uncle of Saint Theodore, and who for a long time had asceticised on Mount Olympos. An elder and lofty of life, Blessed Platon at the conclusion of the Council summoned his nephews – Theodore together with his brothers Joseph and Euthymios – to the monk's life in the wilderness. The brothers gratefully accepted the guidance of their kinsman, experienced in the spiritual life.
Having departed Constantinople, they set off to the locale of Sakudian, not far from Olympos. The solitude and the beauty of the place, its difficulty of access for unaspiring people, met with the approval of the elder and his nephews, and they decided to remain here. The brothers built a church in the name of Saint John the Theologian, and gradually there began to throng here those thirsting for monastic deeds. And thus arose a monastery, the hegumen of which was Blessed Platon.
The life of the Monk Theodore was truly ascetic. He toiled at his own heavy and dirty work. He strictly kept fast, and each day he made confession to his spiritual father – the starets-elder Platon, revealing to him all his doings and thoughts, and carefully he fulfilled all his counsels and guidances. Theodore daily made time for spiritual reflection, he bared his soul to God, unburdened of any earthly concern, making as it were a certain secret service to Him. The Monk Theodore unfailingly read the Holy Scripture and works of the holy fathers, among them finding his closest affinity to the works of Saint Basil the Great.
After several years of the monk's life, the Monk Theodore accepted the dignity of presbyter at the guidance of his spiritual father. When Blessed Platon went to his repose, the brethren unanimously chose the Monk Theodore as hegumen of the monastery. Swayed at the wish of his confessor, the Monk Theodore accepted being chosen, but imposed upon himself still greater deeds of asceticism. He taught the brethren by the example of his own virtuous life and also by fervent fatherly instruction.
When the emperor transgressed against the Church's canons, the events of outside life disturbed the tranquillity in the monastic cells. The Monk Theodore bravely distributed a circular missive through the monasteries, in which he declared the emperor Constantine VI (780-797) excommunicated from the Church for abusing the Divine regulations concerning Christian marriage. The Monk Theodore and ten of his co-ascetics were sent into exile to the city of Soluneia (Thessalonika). But there also the accusing voice of the monk continued to ring out. Upon her return to the throne, Saint Irene in 796 set free the Monk Theodore, and gave over to him the desolate Studite monastery near Kopronyma. The saint soon gathered to the monastery about 1,000 monks. For governing the monastery the Monk Theodore wrote an ustav-rule of monastic life, since called the "Studite rule". The Monk Theodore likewise came out with many missives against the Iconoclasts. For his dogmatic works, and also the canons and triodes written by him, Blessed Theoktistos termed the Monk Theodore "a fiery teacher of the Church".
When Nicephoros seized the imperial throne, deposing the pious Empress Irene, he likewise crudely transgressed against Church regulations by restoring to the Church on his own authority an earlier excommunicated presbyter. The Monk Theodore again came out with denunciation of the emperor. After torture the monk was again sent into exile, where he spent more than two years. The monk was then set free by the gentle and pious emperor Michael, who succeeded to the throne upon the death of Nicephoros and his son Staurikios in a war against barbarians. Their death for a long while had been foretold by the Monk Theodore.
In order to avert civil war, the emperor Michael abdicated the throne to his military commander Leo the Armenian. The new emperor proved to be an iconoclast. The hierarchs and teachers of the Church attempted to reason with the impious emperor, but in vain. Leo prohibited the veneration of holy icons and gave them over for abuse. In answer to such iniquity, the Monk Theodore with the brethren made a religious procession around the monastery with highly raised icons and the singing of the tropar to the image of the Saviour Not-Made-by-Hand (Comm. 16 August). The emperor angrily threatened the saint with death, but the monk openly continued to encourage believers in Orthodoxy. Then the emperor sentenced the Monk Theodore and his student Nicholas to exile, at first in Illyria at the fortress of Metopa, and later in Anatolia at Boneta. But even from prison the confessor continued his struggle against heresy.
Tormented by the executioners which the emperor sent to Boneta, deprived almost of food and drink, covered over with sores and barely alive, Theodore and Nicholas endured everything with prayer and thanksgiving to God. At Smyrna, where they dispatched the martyrs from Boneta, the Monk Theodore healed from a terrible illness a military commander – a nephew of the emperor and like-minded with him, by having ordered him to repent of the wicked doings of Iconoclasm. But the fellow again later relapsed into heresy, and then died.
Having been murdered by his own soldiers, Leo the Armenian was replaced by the equally impious though tolerant emperor Michael II Traulos (the Stammerer). The new emperor set free all the Orthodox fathers and confessors from prison, but in the capital he prohibited icon-veneration. The Monk Theodore did not want to return to Constantinople and so decided to settle in Bithynia in the city of Chersonessus, near the church of the holy Martyr Tryphon. In spite of serious illness, the Monk Theodore celebrated Divine Liturgy daily and instructed the brethren. Foreseeing his end, the saint summoned the brethren and in last wishes bid them to preserve Orthodoxy, to venerate holy icons and observe the monastic ustav-rule. Then he ordered the brethren to take candles and sing the canon for the parting of the soul from the body. Just before the singing of the words "I forget not Thine commandments ever, for in them hath I lived" – the Monk Theodore expired to the Lord, in the year 826.
At this selfsame hour there occurred a vision to the Monk Ilarion of Dalmatia (Comm. 6 June). An heavenly light shone amidst singing and the voice was heard: "This is the soul of the Monk Theodore, having suffered even to the extent of its blood for holy icons, which now departeth unto the Lord".
The Monk Theodore during his life and after his death worked many a miracle: those invoking his name have been delivered from conflagrations, from attack of wild beasts, they have received healing, thanks to God and to His holy saint – the Monk Theodore the Studite.
On 26 January is celebrated the memory of the transfer of the relics of the Monk Theodore the Studite from Chersonessus to Constantinople in the year 845.
Christianity has somewhat made me a better person, it helped me calm down a lot of insatisfactions I had, consequences of my political dissidence. It made me grow on the love for my neighbor and in the exercise of charity. It has made me rethink my life and seek ascesis. It made me forgive and forget a lot of things. I say all that, even though I still have a long way to go xD
So, yeah, it has benefitted me largely.
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posted November 25, 2015 05:39 AM |
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You took it too literally what I said, I meant "fun" in an ironic, negative sense. 
I have a lot of respect for those who kept the faith for so long in the East, but it is very hard to reach out to the rest today. Too much bad blood since 1054. And as I said, I don't think they're completely wrong.
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posted November 25, 2015 07:31 AM |
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It's the one true religion. Orthodox christianity, that is.
Do you Svartzorn think Orthodox is the only real form of christianity? Or did i misunderstand. I'm also curious what is your own definition of heretics?
I'm not trying to make you look bad, or say you're wrong. I'm just curious how people think.
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posted November 25, 2015 08:08 AM |
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Sorry for being lazy but to reveal my thoughts I will take the easy path this time and just paste something from days gone by. My views have not changed, in fact I am more sure today than ever. I would write it a little differently but I do not think it important to do so.
Denominations
Have you ever wondered why there are so many denominations of the Christian church? Are they all right, all wrong or somewhere in between?
In 1980 when I became a Christian I had no religious background to guide me. I attended various Churches to see how they thought, worshipped and what they believed. I visited many denominations during that time. From Assembly of God to United Methodists, I attended services.
Looking back at my new beginning, I realize what a blessing it was for me to be ignorant of religion and spiritually forced to consult the Word of God. I didn’t have family ties to a certain denomination to rely on in pursuing Christianity. My first steps as a Christian created a faith that still guides how I seek answers to the difficult questions that surround the idea of church.
I pursued wisdom by watching evangelists. I read recommended books on Christian topics. I engaged in forms of debate with believers of different ages and backgrounds to understand what they believed. I listened to audiotapes on early Christian education. I thirsted for any topic concerning church and worship. More importantly, I consulted the New Testament for instruction, when my way was not clear because of conflicting viewpoints.
I was baptized by submersion in a Disciples of Christ Church. Our Pastor wore cowboy boots in the pulpit, unseen by the congregation. His simple Texas faith was a refuge for me. His wife taught the Sunday school class I attended. At meetings I listened to debates about budgets and how money should be spent. Initially the business of Church was interesting, but soon it became alarming. The simple faith that I learned in the Bible was becoming complicated. Religious conflict entered my world, when the church members divided over whether to retain my first Pastor. What went on between board members I don’t know, but the impact of the rift was obvious. Sad and angry faces abounded everywhere. Sunday school became difficult as the Pastor’s wife showed strain from frustration.
One day from the pulpit the Pastor announced they were leaving and heading home to Texas. He gave a glimpse into his reasons for resigning by holding up one leg wearing a cowboy boot. The great pious debate was what footwear was appropriate behind the pulpit. Most were serious about this topic while I was stunned. I left that church wondering what I had witnessed. I felt ill and alone.
Over the next few years, I joined two other churches and suffered the same fate. Two more denominations divided over a Pastor. I didn’t bother finding out if it was over boots. In anger, I moved into a biblical desert and withdrew from organized religion. I could not overcome my disdain for today’s church when compared to Biblical instruction.
Some things remained constant. Belief in Christ and consulting the scriptures were still valuable instruments. But still I had questions about faith and what I should believe. During this time, it again became important to look outside myself for answers. I renewed my quest to understand what the Lord wanted his churches to be.
I’ve recently revisited my early passion for insight into Christianity. I’ve read biographies of men of faith. I learned the reasons behind Martin Luther’s reformation movement. I read about John Bunyan and his imprisonment in England for sharing the Bible. Bunyan’s book The Pilgrim’s Progress, is just as important now as in the mid 1600s. I reread the book of Acts where the new church began. In Paul’s letter to the Galatians concerning law, I gained understanding surrounding conviction of belief.
Many times I’ve wondered why do I pursue all of this? Always, I know the truth. I am a child of God, wanting rest from Man’s law and have freedom in Christ. That conflict has existed from the very start of the church to present day. When Paul stood before Felix in Acts 24:5, he stated, “For the resurrection of the dead I am on trial before you today” How did we as a church move from an important stance like the resurrection, to footwear? In worship, should it be silence or celebration? Should you put on your Sunday best or go as you are? How many times are we on trial? Man has created the conflicts that hinder our churches. Why do separations big and small still plague the body of Christ?
I believe the seeds of division come when we stray from reading the word of God for ourselves. When we attend church to be served instead of serving one another. Jesus taught us to “judge not” yet we still do. In wrapping ourselves in new laws for holiness, do we not become the old sects that attacked Jesus at every turn?
The modern church faces some tough questions. I believe the answers are still found in the Bible. Christ is my savior and therefore within his instructions I must reside. Maybe what the Christian Church needs to experience revival is the shedding of denominations and the freedom to be what Christ has called us to be. Saint Francis of Assisi challenged us all to seek to understand, more than to seek to be understood. We are all parts of the body of Christ. We are equally important to God for different reasons. We may be at different points in the Christian walk, but it is the same road.
Markkur April/03
Edit= If anyone cares, this "might" be fun or interesting. Since it has been 12 years since writing the above, someone can ask anything about points I make and see if or how I may have changed my beliefs or seek more explanation about any part as well. Btw, I cannot be offended about any of this, so do not be shy...just cool calm and collected please.
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posted November 25, 2015 08:24 AM |
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Thank you, Markkur. I respect the views of any Christian even if we disagree. But I do not appreciate the fact that many interpret the Scriptures in different ways, even a single verse may cause huge divisions.
I think that whoever is familiar with the differences between Protestant denominations and Orthodoxy and Catholicism knows what I am saying.
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posted November 25, 2015 09:39 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Thank you, Markkur. I respect the views of any Christian even if we disagree. But I do not appreciate the fact that many interpret the Scriptures in different ways, even a single verse may cause huge divisions.
I think that whoever is familiar with the differences between Protestant denominations and Orthodoxy and Catholicism knows what I am saying.
No problem with that. Everyone has to believe what they believe, even outside this thread.
For me the message of Christ is a very simple one and it has been swamped and often lost in man's religion.
I am a N.T. man and think Christians making the O.T. their guiding light are in the same boat as the people that use the O.T. alone. If Christ is our savior, then it is HE we must listen too and there is not any mystery about that. He spoke simply and clearly.
Have you read/researched what makes a New Testament Church?
I believe a church should be a "small" group of people "serving" a community.<imo> This is Christ's body in its most potent form. I do not value mega-churches and the self-utopias they too often create. I've been on the narrow winding path for 35 years now and I do realize that I am probably a little entrenched by now.
For me Christ always decides and if he said nothing on a given topic, then I leave that topic alone and follow my God-given spirit for my own life.
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posted November 25, 2015 09:45 AM |
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Thank you Markkur, that was fascinating. Tough i doubt it was so glorious to you when you experienced those phaces. I think we all have had those difficult steps in our lifes, some more than others. Bunyans Pilgrim’s Progress is one of my favorite books, never have i read anything some many times over except New Testament ofcourse.
Have you found a church to go nowdays and do you have christian friends Markkur?
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posted November 25, 2015 02:17 PM |
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Homer171 said:
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It's the one true religion. Orthodox christianity, that is.
Do you Svartzorn think Orthodox is the only real form of christianity? Or did i misunderstand. I'm also curious what is your own definition of heretics?
I'm not trying to make you look bad, or say you're wrong. I'm just curious how people think.
Sure I do. Yeah, it sounds arrogant, but a person who follows a determinate faith must think this way.
If I thought islamism was the true religion, I would be a muslim.
If I thought catholicism was the true religion, I would be a catholic.
And it goes on...
All religions could be false, but they can't be all true. We can't be relativists in this matter. Religion is not clothing we put on according to what's convenient.
Went through Makkur's post and disagree in a couple points, but what he's said about the NT is defintely something to grasp. I see a lot of christians following OT things in complete disregard of the advent of Christ.
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Have you found a church to go nowdays and do you have christian friends Markkur?
Greetings in Christ Homer,
And even though it is a wee bit late...welcome to the family.
If not for my health, I imagine I would be in a leading role in a church somewhere, somehow (a food ministry of some sort)but it would have to be scripturally-based on the New Testament and not a whit more added, along the lines of the 1st century.
However, I only attend a church occasionally now. I have very nasty Arthur-ritis  that makes most publics places very difficult for me now in the later stages of my disease. Before my privileged fun, I never minded those hard, oak, straight-backed pews, now I abhor the things. Most places give no thought to bad-backs...even doctors offices treating you for the stuff.
My best friend and really a true brother (by spirit and not blood), is a Catholic  Lord have we been through a lot together. Hmm, I guess we met about 24 years ago, long before I became ill. The most recent thing I have done is I worked on a Christian community website for about 3 years, too often as peacemaker. But that is fading back into the past now.
Over the years I have met and known scads of people in and out of the church but as this stuff has sidelined me, like everything else in life, acquaintances go their ways and a person is left with a precious few by their side.
For a number years I did a sort of personal ministry where I wrote and shared poetry, short dittys and serious sermons. Now I ache, can't move very well and am afraid to open my rebel mouth. I've always been a "son of thunder" and don't want to chance it now. People are too important.
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Thank you brother Markkur Sorry to hear you illness. I have Inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) it's Crohn's disease, so it's incurable. It's my cross to carry i guess. It's good you have christian friend whit you can share your faith.
Tough it would be nice that we all christians shared our faith and worked for common good. Unfortune that's not possible as we have so different views in many mather. What is great that we all christian share the same "basic rules": We are saved thanks to grace of God, what Jesus did on calvary. Word of God is inspired by Holy Spirit and is the highest authority in our lifes and refreshes our soul, body and spirit. Holy Trinity, God the Father, Jesus the Son of God and the Holy Spirit all connected. Jesus where both human and God at the same time, this is actually quite importan as he said if you don't believe me to be who i am you all die in your sins. I think we can all agree on these and if something is missing it's not christianity at all.
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Truly, truly I tell you, the one who believes in me has eternal life.
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