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artu
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posted July 16, 2016 10:03 PM |
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I listened to Dawkins go through his Mantras and Theories all the way back to the beginning of life and you know what the last thing he said was? "We (man)do not know how life began."
Calling biology a mantra really doesn't change anything. Life began around at least 3.5 billion years ago on this planet. They have no problem explaining basic life forms coming into existence through a chemical process, they are naturally not sure about what that process exactly was and what the precise conditions were though. And to say "we don't know about the details with certainty" is actually a very good thing, "to know what you don't know" is progressive. People didn't know why there were moon eclipses and they attributed them also to God's will, how did that go... So, suggesting that our information is not absolute, therefore, a totally arbitrary pseudo-explanation becomes superior is simply dogmatic in the worst sense.
Same with after-life, just because neurological explanations of how the brain operates are not absolute about every single detail, that does not make them incomplete or neutral about the probability of an after-life. The concept of an after-life, especially one which you keep your personality without your brain is straight-forward magical because there is nothing other than faith in super-natural beliefs that suggests it. Every scientific observation about our consciousness directly ties it to our brain activity beyond any reasonable doubt. It's not some mystical energy, it's not mana, it's the physiological process in your brain. So suggesting that very consciousness will keep on wandering around after the brain decomposes is "magic" indeed, nothing else. To claim other wise is like saying, we do not know how and when humans started to produce music precisely, so the muses can be real.
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posted July 16, 2016 10:20 PM |
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At last I have time to write the answers but, still some factors making a hell disturbance in my writings on the forum.
My knowledge about the History of Christianity and Islam, and Judaism gathered from Wikipedia and this Heroes..forum , growths and growths everyday, hooray to me!  .
Baronus - for first  ,
 For now I see no hard disjoinmenst with The Holy Bible and a Modern Science, i.e. Catholic officials accept the "Big Bang Theory" and even "Evolution Theory". I.e.
Pope Francis says evolution is real and God is no wizard, And I think the Judaism (as I read from Homer171, they looks like a beliefs in the same God that Christians, I mean the Christians beliefs in the same God as Judaic folks, or whatever.. ) too.
"Christian civilisation created science civilisation" - This is the biggest nonsense that I have heard on this forum till now... Actually Babylon folks, Persians, Egyptians, Middle East stuff, then Greece stuff, then Arabs, China folks, created the "first jump" The Europe stuff till the ~XV c. A.D. was a, hmmm, not so enlighten . The almost all civilization goods came to the Early/Medieval/Medieval Europe from the East (from China through Mongols), from Middle East, and of course from the Arabs (through - Crusade, and through the Arabs in the Spain terrain), that actually translated the Greece Rationalism stuff, Persian stuff, and Egyptian stuff Geometry/Mathematics stuff.
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Trade increased steadily during the Middle Ages, and London grew rapidly as a result. In 1100 London's population was somewhat more than 15,000. By 1300 it had grown to roughly 80,000.
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By the 10th century, the city's population was between 1.2 million and 2 million.
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 The London was looks like a village with a wolves lairs near the raver , lol I mean no offense...
And Baghdad was looks like a megalopolis with a hospitals, sewers and even some-kind of university O_o. But there teaching Islamic nonsense after ~10th century, anyway 
And where exactly S. Hawking said that there no God exists ? O-o I just curious.
Homer171 - post 2
For first - THANX for so patience to typing such large answers.
Why did you called yourself Homer171 ?
" Okay. Well if they where all desiaved by this Jesus? They followed Him, day and night surely they knew what He was. Okay, but what if He was just told story late at night in campfire? No, it's quite true that they preached this Gospel everywhere they go after Jesus crucifixion" - Ohh I can imagine the situation: the group of peoples, ~20-50 years old, gathered into group with some identity among the others, they make a seminars (or parties ) in the evening "around the fire".
Obviously many of this peoples can read and write. Obviously many of them have been read the Old Testament. Obviously this peoples were religious. This is all like The Bible says? Apostates and the Jesus Christs sitting around and doing something the whole day and evenings (I think in the nights they usually sleeps).
Is there was women among them  Is the "parties" have some drug-related stuff, i.e. alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, psycho-affects mushrooms
About periods of time - It is looks sane, so why not? I mean , may God has His/Shes or It's time periods that different from a poor mortal stuff.
"How old you think earth is anyway? I dunno but they found blood in freezed dinosaur that says something" -
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The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This dating is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite[5] material and is consistent with the radiometric ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.
Age of The Earth.
"They where their own species not home sapiens, if evolution where true why does some change and other stayes the same millions of years. Dogs come from wolfs but that's the far as "evolution" go, why there aren't any halfway evolutions anyway" - The monkeys is a different history, they have arms to use a things, but in general, perhaps something happens in Africa that changed , that accelerated the evolution of humanoids.. I do not know.
The talking about afterlife is more Philosophical than about History of Christianity, and for me is too, hmm, is too not at the time . Anyway I know that the Evils is exists, and hell the Good is exist too, in the real life .
For now I do not believe in the God, but I believe in the All-Goodness and the Justice, if even this things is no exists in the real life, I will imagine them and then I will belief in this things .
And I am happy, that Homer171 is like the all-goodness too regardless of his (her) religious stuff!
NoobX - it is a pretty sad story, but I have doubts that your lost family will have good feelings about your suffering because of their deaths, if they is still alive (imaginary)... There are many horrible-horrible things in the civilization of humans. I mean if you can read this post, your life seems to be not so bad. The better honor for your lost family/dear_friends/peoples_that_loves_you/etc, it is a thing that you are in alright.
Homer171 - post 1
About the Egypt and the Israel folks, So the roots of Judaism is far more aged then the roots of Christianity. Well. The Egyptians as I know, have almost monotheistic religion - there was 1 God = Rha, or somethings, and the "Angels", Ghor, Ptha, and so on.
The Egyptian Empire seems to used the Israel folks like a slave force. So, I thin the Israel folks can read and write there, because the Egyptian can, and perhaps this knowledge can be transported via interactions.
And we can imagine that the Israel folks Religion is like a "counter-religion" for they enslavers, like a a secret a Force Resistance in the nazi France! This Israel Folks Religion helped to make a slaves-revolt! And in finish , helped to actually make a Israel Folks free?
And perhaps the Legend about "crossing the ocean" that I saw in the cartoon (there was Moses, his followers, and his enemies - Egyptians on the Horses and , I have no proper word, the horses that grabbing a thing with wheels where was archer, and then the sea drowned that Egyptian army...) - is just a legend how actually many slaves escaped? O_O. Can be so? Or it is my fantasy works for too much ??
About "The Great Fluid and the Noah" - so Israel folks living near a Great River - Nile, under Egyptians slavery, and perhaps there the roots of "Great water flood " because the Nile has a mood to go out from his borders, and sometime there was a total disaster, I think.
About Miracles - I have a great skepticism about that, because the BOTH Empires (Egyptian and Roman stuff) that like to wrote anything that they saw, especially unusual, have no texts about any Christian or Israel folks Miracles.
At least I have no saw it. So why is it
About crucifixion for the All our Sins - I thought that foolish Romans killed a many innocents in that way, so why Jesus Christ was an especial. I mean He was, if He was a God, or Son of God, or whatever, Himself but we imagining opposite for now....
And I knew (from cinema or from cartoons, I do not remember exactly) That Jesus Christ claimed Himself as a King a Ruler of all Kings and Ruler O_O. Comparing to the fact that were a many Israel folk rebellions inside of Middle East region (Jerusalem) against Roman's slavery nonsense.
And When someone calling Himself a "King", especially if this someone were connected to the Israel folks... this situation obviously making a local Roman rulers insane... I have wonder, why did not tears apart Jesus Christs for instance, right after He came to the Jerusalem
perhaps Jesus Christ want to make himself a next Moses and save the folks from a Roman slavery like Moses done before But, obviously the Romans was a more stupid than Egyptians, and hell more organized.. .This factors can make a rebellion is quite difficult.
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posted July 16, 2016 10:54 PM |
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looking at your posts reminds me of a tabloid, frosty. for some reason, i see them as headlines on "bat-boy-escapes-custody-of-rat-people" magazines in the check-out lines of stores.
i used to know a girl who wrote letters akin to how you post. she decorated everything. in her case, pretty entertaining and cute. in yours, not so much.
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posted July 16, 2016 11:12 PM |
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@artu: I said, I where playing with the idea, not saying how did it happen. Logic has hard time to accept any mystery but there are such things that can't be comprehended straight away with pure, although very needed logic. In fact, you raise your arm like Mr.Spock immediately when some says the words miracle. Most, unlogic. Okay, I know bible is full of phrases that tells about people who's minds are still very narrow about laws of nature, space and time. That does not mean it lowers the context value in anyway. Of course you understand this, the person expressed his mind in cording to his understanding. There was profet a long time ago he saw a dream. He wake up and was scared what he saw. He warned his fellow man: They will all ride with iron horses! Of course they did not believe him. Now, they say how naive, the superstition clouded that man's mind to not recognise a car!
The Spiritual truths are the most important things in bible. We can make a puzzle how all happened, when, why and what is what's not. Fruitless topics.
John 20:31 / But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. / Yeah, that's should be the goal.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted July 16, 2016 11:21 PM |
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Mystification is not open-mindedness, Homer. Actually, I happen to witness again and again, it results in the opposite direction.
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markkur
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posted July 17, 2016 04:35 PM |
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I listened to Dawkins go through his Mantras and Theories all the way back to the beginning of life and you know what the last thing he said was? "We (man)do not know how life began."
Calling biology a mantra really doesn't change anything.
You forget my saying Theory, which is not really accurate because it is lots of theories rolled into one in most peoples minds. If it were a murder case it would be having all sorts of theories how the suspect progressed through the murder but no fact on the murder weapon used.
Artu, with all due respect; When you can take your bedroom and empty it of everything and I mean everything, including your ancient fart-motes, and then create the universe inside that room? Let me know.
The facts are we do not know how this universe started and do not know how life began. We will not know anytime remotely soon and likely will never know.
And btw, If you die, please come back and tell me about it or not as the case may be. But do not act like we have the science to verify death other than the normal...the brain is dead. That's the whole point; IF the Spirit has left the body it will be...gone. There would be nothing to track. Goodness man.
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artu
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posted July 17, 2016 05:40 PM |
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Markkur, "a theory" is not a wild guess or a hypothesis. A theory is a coherent and wholesome explanation of observed facts. And no, the fact is we have quite a knowledge on both how life and the universe began, there can be more than one probable scientific explanation when it comes to abiogenesis (not evolution, btw), however, the process itself is not a complete mystery or something that forces the experts of that field to assume some Godly intervention or anything remotely similar. There are gaps in our knowledge, as there will always be, but none of these gaps indicate or require a super-natural explanation, the parts where there are no gaps strongly indicate the exact opposite. And "your" super-natural explanation is not a real explanation to begin with anyway, if dimensions of space and time existing out of nothing seems unlikely to you, "a God with an anthropomorphic personality of a father figure who starts or stops natural events with decisions" coming into existence out of nothing should even seem much more unlikely. "God did it" is just a way of avoiding any question, not resolving it.
And once again, it is only belief in the super-natural that arbitrarily assumes there is a "spirit" that is something other than your consciousness. It is no more different than suggesting a metaphysical force is flowing in your veins, but of course it won't show up on blood tests because it's not material. Let me put it this way, the existence of our consciousness, the basic fundamentals of how it operates and the abstract notions it can produce, is perfectly explainable today within the framework of natural sciences. There is absolutely zero evidence to assume a non-material spirit also exists within us, nor a logical or rational indication that we should have one, and a tone of comparative culture studies explaining why we did assume one through out most of our history even if it didn't exist. So, just like you don't need an additional metaphysical explanation about how birds fly, when you have aerodynamics, you don't need "spirits" to explain how human consciousness exists and nothing reasonable or naturalist suggests that they do exist.
So, be my guest if you want to believe in spirits but don't try to deny that they are not less "magical" than angels or genies categorically, only because you don't like the word magic associated with your faith.
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frostysh
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posted July 18, 2016 01:04 AM |
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fred79 - , I just typing a posts that I like to read, you see the "plain two-colored text" make me sleep instead...
Perhaps I saw too much of a hollywood super blockbusters :/ .
artu
+1 For defending An Evolution Theory, the Theory itself is full of a cool pictures, a statistical data, an genetic experimental data and the stuff ... This is a much more better that boring Holy Bible text which holds nothing that can confirm the context...
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markkur
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Once upon a time
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posted July 20, 2016 12:32 AM |
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Phil Keaggy plays solo at Wheaton College. I remember him in the early 70s and in this video he is, like me, a much older man. Keaggy could have been a huge success on the World-state but instead he chose a humble music-ministry, sharing his gift in simple settings.What is awesome about Phil is both his energy and joy...both are still going strong.
Phil has been called by some of my generations best Rock guitarists, as being the best guitartist of their time. Even if you cannot understand English very well, watch and listen to the artistry of his music.
Btw, he does a very nice cover of "Here comes the Sun" by George Harrison.
Phil Keaggy | Song and Guitar Artistry
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Zenofex
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posted July 20, 2016 08:02 AM |
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The facts are we do not know how this universe started and do not know how life began.
But you do know, don't you? God. See, that's the easiest, laziest and the most self-centered explanation of all imaginable ones you can give to the question "how it all began". You don't want to study the universe, to answer the ever-increasing amount of questions, to analyze the results of your observations, to study again, etc., you assume God is at the beginning and everything has to fall suit inevitably. If it doesn't, "it's just a theory", whatever that means. What's worse, you will not settle with any God, you need the God described in a collection of stories written many centuries ago and officially edited and sanctioned as "correct" by the will of the Roman emperor. Believe what you want but when you come to the "facts", you have to be prepared to face not only those which work in your favour - which in this case happen to be the vast majority.
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Neraus
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posted July 20, 2016 10:36 AM |
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Then cosmic dice it is.
It may be lazy, but at least it's something, there are things that are out of our reach.
Or do you think we may be able to observe what happened almost 14 Billion years ago today? If so, how?
Are there any instruments that may see the causes behind the birth of the universe? I doubt it, the only things that we may observe are the effects, but coming up with a cause for an effect is always speculation.
If we had that clear vision of the past we would be pretty surprised of the things we believed even 10 years ago at this point, but guess what, time-machines are just Sci-Fi.
But alrighty then, since we're the lackey boneheads of the emperor there is no possible way that we may say anything contrary, what did I think.
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posted July 20, 2016 11:43 AM |
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Look, the problem isn't, that people invented stories to fill the (otherwise inexplicable) blanks. It's pretty understandable, that when you are finding yourself somewhere in a dark woods without any recollection of how you got there and where you are, if you are start moving to explore the surroundings, hoping to get out of that dark woods and find some-one/thing else, you start whistling, telling yourself that tomorrow you'll reach the end of the woods, that one day you'll come clear of it and that you are groping for explanations.
The problem is that people are actually seeing more in it than the stories they are. There is no real difference in the story of you'll be sitting on Odin's table after your death provided you lived the brave life of a warrior and made him proud or of you going to heaven and Jesus provided you believe in him and truly repent your unavoidable sins.
Humans WANT explanations, and explanations they understand and can relate to, and humans - or the self-conscious brain - wants to have a hope for more than a cold meaningless death after their - thousands of years ago doubtlessly a lot more miserable and shorter - life.
I mean, you have to keep in mind that even 100 years ago, not to mention earlier, people had not the slightest idea how infinitely big even the known universe is - and how much bigger it gets with each passing heartbeat. This vastness alone makes the idea of a god who created that vastness more or less as a backdrop for us humans, the crown of creation and his likeness, pretty absurd - provided, of course, all that vastness and time isn't a gigantic deception and indeed only a backdrop of some sort.
And the backdrop thing isn't all that absurd when you consider that even though science is fairly sure that our planet is roundabout four and a half BILLION years old, give or take the odd hundred MILLION years, there are those who think it's only a couple THOUSANDS of years old, because, in all seriousness, 4.600.000.000 years is one HELL of a lot of time, not to mention the fact that the whole backdrop of said planet seems to be roughly four times as old.
In other words - the old stories aren't any good anymore. It has been getting increasingly difficult to give them any credence at all.
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artu
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posted July 20, 2016 11:55 AM |
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Neraus said:
@ artu
To be fair, the canon basically reaffirmed the Septuagint in the OT, and included the gospels that were the most coherent with each other, other than various letters of the most relevant heads of the churches, mainly the Pauline letters and the directions given by the Apostles.
And of course the revelation, due to it being written by John the Evangelist that wrote an entire gospel through divine revelation.
While theologically important those aren't really battle ready books.
Well, the OT God is certainly not loving and peaceful, "battle-ready" wouldn't be the exact word I'd pick either but in general, the language of the Bible is never as directly as commanding as the Quran in the sense of "do this when Y happens, do that if X happens" anyway. When it comes to the "reaffirmation," that was kind of my point, wasn't it, there were a bunch of other texts and many oral variants with "God nows" what verses, some rejected the trinity, some didn't refer to Jesus as son of God, such early Christian sects are known to exist. And if they had reaffirmed not the canon we now have but something else, in 2016, you were going to consider something else "divinely inspired." I mean WHO decides that John wrote what he wrote through divine inspiration? Even if you believe Jesus was the son of God, he was already gone, he didn't verify such a thing. So, it's mortal men such as you and me, who are sitting over a collection of scrolls and deciding a selection with their own mortal, flawed judgements.
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Then cosmic dice it is.
It may be lazy, but at least it's something, there are things that are out of our reach.
It's not a matter of heads or tails, even if you put aside the principle that natural events should be explained by natural phenomenon (or else it is indeed magic and anything goes, really), "the cosmic dice" is actually zillion times more probable than anthropomorphic theistic god creating a 13 billion year old, vast universe to test the soul of a specie living on "a blue dot" for just around 200.000 years and who only explained things through monotheism for just a couple thousand, and that is exclusive to some cultures mind you, not all of mankind.
And no, we don't have a time machine but we do observe light reaching us from billions of years ago, so that kind of works as a time machine and we can deduce what physical laws did in the past by extrapolating from their current dynamics. Maybe, these wont give you an absolutely doubtless information in the philosophical sense and there will be gaps but the accuracy of the information will be as sharp as a sniper bullet compared to a thrown stone if you compare it with mythological assumptions.
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Neraus
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posted July 20, 2016 01:38 PM |
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@artu
I was mostly replying to the part of the canon being approved by the emperor to set into stone the official religion for war of the empire...
Only that now reading your post again I didn't find that part, so I must have mixed something up, apologies.
But anyway, the "not being battle-ready" part was about the NT, I should've made that clearer.
Returning to the discussion of the birth of the universe:
I have my personal pet-peeve of an explanation for why we are the center of a vast universe, but I acknowledge it's a bit nutty, and I won't bother you with it.
Light beams coming from light-years away from us only convey us a distance, and through that we can gather the time, that calculation however, relies on our constants and physical laws, we can't take into account a possible unknown variable that could be there as well as there may be not.
And then the other question, where did matter originate? What happened before the Big Bang and what happened to make such an explosion?
That is a realm of speculations, and we both know that any speculation behind the origin of the universe is unfalsifiable.
Or for that matter any argument against or for God.
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artu
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posted July 20, 2016 02:38 PM |
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Neraus said:
Light beams coming from light-years away from us only convey us a distance, and through that we can gather the time, that calculation however, relies on our constants and physical laws, we can't take into account a possible unknown variable that could be there as well as there may be not.
Should I read this as "we can never estimate the age of the universe because maybe light moved faster 10.000 years ago."
Because if that's what you mean, I don't think it's much different than saying, "well, we need oxygen to breathe now, but how do know people needed oxygen to breathe 20.000 years ago. Maybe, they didn't, maybe there was no oxygen 20.000 years ago."
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Salamandre
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posted July 20, 2016 02:41 PM |
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Well, one walked on water, so nothing is impossible.
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Neraus
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posted July 20, 2016 03:03 PM |
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@artu
I was just positing a completely hypothetical scenario as an example, if by some strange phenomenon photons could be accelerated or decelerated.
And of course that would go against our current understanding of physics, and that could change our estimate of the age of the universe.
My point was, we have an estimate today, but we may have to change it should such a theory be proven true.
Since such a thing hasn't been proven, I won't do the step further to claim that we can't know the universe's age though.
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Zenofex
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posted July 20, 2016 06:04 PM |
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It may be lazy, but at least it's something, there are things that are out of our reach.
Or do you think we may be able to observe what happened almost 14 Billion years ago today? If so, how?
There are indirect ways for such observation, as already mentioned. You can't observe what happened 2000 years ago neither but that doesn't seem to bother you.
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frostysh
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posted July 20, 2016 06:38 PM |
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JollyJoker, artu, Zenofex - From my "look from side" you explanation is more , hmm, more reasonable than the other explanations by Elodin, and markkur....
So my point is grows strong, suddenly it is based on my life experience . The Religion is dangerous, same as religion-like political ideas (nationalism, communism, etc.), and that is all must to be controlled or else will be a dramatically results for a society.
The Christianity is no exception from this list.
this is my motto, at least for now.
Neraus -
1) Do you think that 2,000 years ago, when peoples trowed they own wastes to the windows and have allowed sex with animals, slavery, etc. , the "prophets" did know what the hell happened ~14 billions years ago O_O. They even did not know such numbers
2) The Big Bang Theory is fare more "theoretically" stuff than The Evolution Theory, but it is hell a more "sane" than the stuff in Genesis....
Coloured title page from the Bishops' Bible quarto edition of 1569 - the Bible. -
The first day of creation - First Day of Creation (from the 1493 Nuremberg Chronicle)
The timeline of the time-space continuum stuff.
The DNA structure stuff.
Do you see a darn difference between the myths, the legends, and the fairy-tales stuff and the Science? because I am not. - I am joking.
For myself the difference between the Holy Bible Text and the actually thing in the world surrounds me is like a difference between
Kung-Fu Panda
and "Hirosima"
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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posted July 20, 2016 09:26 PM |
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Well, one thing is clear, cosmologically: If (IF!) there was a bang(-like event) to start our universe, it must have orginated in some "hyper"space (a space with more than 3 dimensions), because there is no point of origin in OUR space-time since everything is moving away from each other (if you are at any point in our space time you might think you were at the point of origin of the bang) like we were the surface of a balloon that is pumped up.
So that means, there is basically something "around" our universe that we currently have no access to, since we have no way to "register" or detect it.
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