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Blizzardboy
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posted May 23, 2020 01:17 AM |
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Seniors and high-risk people isolating will likely be a long-term strategy for autumn and 2021. They'll need more arrangements like that to make life more tolerable.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted May 23, 2020 08:22 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
Dude, when I say it's empty, it is.
It makes sense that it is:
*Non-essential procedures and medical examinations have been postponed indefinitely in most countries to counter the spread of the virus, though recently regular hospital activities have slowly resumed in some places;
*Only a fifth of coronavirus cases require hospitalization, with a lot fewer requiring intensive care;
*Romania has only about 6000 active detected cases, so that would mean around 1200 people are currently hospitalized;
*There are about 400 hospitals in Romania, but I reckon corona patients are being taken just 10-20 of them, the majority in Bucharest and some in the larger municipal centres.
All this would mean 95-97% of Romanian hospitals are completely empty, about 10 are taking care of 10-20 people and 2 or 3 have 60-200 sick. If you don't live in either Bucharest or Suceava (a hotspot, I've gathered), chances are there is nobody in your local hospital.
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Oddball13579
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posted May 23, 2020 09:12 PM |
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Ah the Count shares his wisdom and answers burning questions!
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Salamandre said:
Actually I was very positively surprised about some laws in Romania, as elders having free transport, also elders having specific hours to make their market during the lockdown, where no younger were admitted. Some smart and humane decisions.
Oh we've got that here too! Public transit is also free right now.
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FirePaladin
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posted May 24, 2020 12:13 AM |
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@CountBezuhoff
Dude, I wouldn't have even brought this up if I wasn't talking about one of those few hospitals shown at the TV to have people infected with the thing.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted May 26, 2020 09:51 AM |
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In that case, I can't really say what's going on, though I'm inclined to believe there is a sensible explanation to the situation. Perhaps that particular hospital was never that full to begin with? Or maybe most patients were cured? Anything you've implied seems a bit too outlandish, but I am not denying there may be some truth in it.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted June 07, 2020 02:16 AM |
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A black guy is murdered and suddenly the virus vanishes? The WHO should have contacted the KKK much earlier.
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fred79
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posted June 07, 2020 03:09 AM |
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It's cool. The media said that black guy had covid to get everybody back on track. 
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posted June 07, 2020 07:52 AM |
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I have to admit, I'm curious about what will happen with all this people mass together for the protests.
And I have to agree with Fred and Sal on one thing: when Trump supporters took the streets to reclaim "an hair cut" the media was reckless about the risk of spreading corona virus, now they are celebrating the crowed protests.
I hope to be wrong but this is probably going to result on another spike of infections.
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Zenofex
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posted June 17, 2020 09:43 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 21:46, 17 Jun 2020.
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artu said:
Well, a quarantine is considered a “state of emergency” so it is not exactly unconstitutional.
But that being said, not every scientist agrees with the policy either. Although they are the minority at the moment, some say that the death rates of the virus is way exaggerated and such a long period lockdown’s economic effects and the poverty it causes will indirectly result in more deaths in the end.
I dont fully agree with this perspective because it fails to explain why so many state-level expert commisions decide to keep applying the lockdown but here it is:
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Coming quite late to the party, but...
The scientists who are/were against the measures are not the minority from I can say, but they are not given publicity. In Bulgaria, the "expert commission" did not and does not have a single virologist, epidemiologist or any other specialist related to epidemics or viruses. The said "commission" did pretty much nothing but count how many people are tested and how many have died, on top of "suggesting" policies which the health ministry then enforced. I won't comment on the policies, some of which were downright moronic (like wearing a face mask even when going outside, not just in a shop or pharmacy, with a massive fine if you don't), just on the behavior of those "experts". At the height of the "epidemic" (which, 3 months later, still has just above 3000 officially detected by PCRs infected people and less than 200 deaths), they were actively threatening people that "it will be like in Italy" and with "refrigerator trucks", in parallel with proposing all planned activities in hospitals to be postponed, along with discontinuing health checks at the personal physicians cabinets, with a few emergency-like exceptions - which was accepted and stayed like that until less than a month ago. People with non-COVID health issues effectively had - and some of them still have - much harder access to regular healthcare. There were reports from hospitals - which by the way remained nearly empty for the two months of the partial lockdown imposed by the government - that they have patients with heart attacks who did not seek medical attention because they feared they'll get infected with corona-virus. There were reports - not official of course - that people who suspected they got infected and/or subsequently infected other people committed suicide. At the same time, the quasi-quarantine measures taken by the government as advised by the "experts" have been violated many times by a huge number of people so the spread of the disease has certainly not been slowed down by them - not to mention that during the Orthodox Easter in April the government allowed people to gather at the temples, which they did.
At the same time, there are specialists in virology and epidemics who publicly oppose the measures and the competence of the "commission" but receive next to zero screen time in the mainstream media. Recently the same specialists wanted to do a public debate over the whole corona-virus situation with the commissionaires but the latter refused, saying simply "we see no reason to do that". As a result, just like during the partial lockdown, the only opinion that receives wide broadcast is that of the commission and WHO. And of the government, of course, which is currently neck-deep in corruption scandals. The government itself, fearing that it will be kicked out, agreed to make the measures lighter around a month ago and since the "experts" changed their tone completely, saying that the virus is no longer that infectious, that there is no need to go back to lockdowns and that the newly detected cases can be dealt with on case-by-case basis (despite the fact that today we had the highest number of "new cases" since the beginning). One month since the removal of most of the public restrictions the number of newly infected was going down, then around a week ago it started going up again, coinciding with more massive testing of the population. The death rate has been the same over these three months, measures or no measures.
This whole "pandemic" has massive info gaps and inconsistencies to be taken at face value. Bull****s like the ones we had on local level just confirm that.
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Elvin
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posted June 17, 2020 10:06 PM |
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People must be so grateful they voted these clowns to protect and represent them.
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Zenofex
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posted June 18, 2020 07:33 AM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 07:37, 18 Jun 2020.
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Funny thing is (although I don't find it funny at all) that many people do seem to be grateful. There have been and there are daily reports showing why all these measures amount to nothing in terms of effectiveness if you just put two and two together but they ignore them. The media psychosis has done a perfect job this time. For example, in Bulgaria:
- 200 000 people returned from infected countries, including Italy, when the epidemic there was at its peak or was going that way. There was even no requirement for quarantine when coming from the "risky" countries at the beginning.
- the government banned traveling between regional cities, still on several occasions almost 100 000 cars have been reported to have left the capital (with the highest infection rate among the tested) and returned within several days during holidays, despite the bans.
- known infected people have broken the quarantine and have been known to wander left and right for days before being forced back to their homes.
- Easter liturgies were allowed (which was a clear political move not to alienate the religious portion of the population).
- "social distancing" was enforced via closing cafeterias, pubs, restaurants, malls and such but people piled up at the shops instead. Some of them tried to maintain distance, others were literally breathing at your neck, no matter what.
As a result, for three months we have the figures from above and one of these three months has been with next to no "social distancing". Of course, the government and the "experts" who have no background in epidemics or any related field, claim that they have done perfectly and the low numbers are because of the measures. Astonishingly enough, many people appear to believe them. At the same time, the journalists from the mainstream media are asking only servile questions during the daily press-conferences on the matter and the few who dare to be more provocative about the things which don't fit are not getting any answers or the interviews with them are just stopped (there was one such case with the head of the "commission" before an interviewer from a small-to-mid-sized television, who simply stopped answering at one point and left). This is pretty much how the "pandemic" has been handled until now on local level - if the government says it's a terrible thing and everybody should stay home, the "experts" say the virus is like the Black Plague; if the government says it's not so bad and we can deal with it without too many restrictions, the "experts" say the virus isn't that dangerous anymore. The real experts who have knowledge and experience in the related fields - which are quite unanimously against the measures - are muted or not given publicity outside of some alternative channels. From what I hear and read, it's like that pretty much everywhere.
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artu
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posted June 18, 2020 10:31 AM |
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@Zenofex
If this was only one government, you could go with corruption, hidden agenda, impotance etc.. But so many governments, and not “allied” governments taking similar precaution measures... What would be the catch? Why would they want to ruin their own economy? It just doesnt fit.
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FirePaladin
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posted June 18, 2020 10:47 AM |
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You can't really know they aren't allied either. Just saying. The first time I landed on another of these threads in a long while.
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artu
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posted June 18, 2020 10:51 AM |
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Sorry but “international secret alliance above governments that controls all medical decisions to cripple each one’s economy” is way too crazy for me.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted June 18, 2020 12:04 PM |
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Paranoia has more impact on our daily lives than any sort of secret world government.
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fred79
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posted June 18, 2020 01:37 PM |
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CountBezuhoff said:
Propaganda has more impact on our daily lives than any sort of secret world government.
Ftfy, kind of. It's not a secret shadow government running things in most of the western world. All you have to do is follow the money and see who benefits the most from conflicts both internally, and externally, for all our countries. It's not any set demographic, really. But one in particular almost always benefits/has benifitted the most from the U.S....
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JollyJoker
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posted June 18, 2020 03:10 PM |
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You know, fred, one of the signs of being paranoid is the idea that while some really sinister conspiracy is going on and the world is buried under fake news and basically everyone is fooled - oneself have actually seen through it and figured everything out.
That's not really, you know, likely, isn't it?
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Blizzardboy
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posted June 18, 2020 03:16 PM |
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A lot of times its egoism.
It makes a person feel special or important because they supposedly see through something that most others don't; it gives them a sense of empowerment and validation and control. The less you have, the more likely you are to buy into conspiracy theories. No family, no career, no education, no drive, etc. Something needs to fill the nothingness and the existential dread.
None of it is true of course. It's a lie that the person has constructed to protect them from the awful reality of their own insignificance in the universe. Not that there is anything bad about being insignificant - in many ways it is a relief and wonderful to be insignificant - but not everybody agrees with that.
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fred79
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posted June 18, 2020 03:46 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 16:19, 18 Jun 2020.
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We went off-topic anyway, but if you haven't seen a pattern emerging worldwide(western), you're not going to. I already know from the other threads not to take either of you or artu seriously. None of you have the intellect(maybe intellect isn't the right word?)to understand anything outside of your little guided narratives.
And i know you'll say the same thing about me, so we're at a stalemate. No point in discussing anything seriously with any of you.
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artu
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posted June 18, 2020 04:28 PM |
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Yes, fred, I’m sure that’s what makes you defend redneck neo-nazis: Intellect.
But you see, we do track a pattern emerging: The lock-downs. And not just in the Western world, Iran, China, Turkey, India... The list goes on. So unless, you are suggesting there is some super coercive, secret power making all of these countries apply lock-down policies despite their will, you have two options left: Either all of their official medical commisions are wrong or all of them are lying for some reason. And on a major scale, no one is profitting from this, there are oil tankers roaming the sea, because people stopped driving, small business is suffering, restaurants, bars, beach clubs closing down, this level of instability is not good for big business, the corporations either. So it really doesnt fit.
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