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JollyJoker
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posted December 04, 2020 10:47 PM |
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Rest assured there is enough. Just read fred's posts. But I suppose you are just a bit blinkered when it comes to that.
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posted December 04, 2020 11:09 PM |
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Oh my, look at that fascist comment in a subsection of a gaming forum where more bots post daily than active posters. Locus delicti.
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posted December 04, 2020 11:52 PM |
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again, jj, defense against tyranny and corruption is not fascism. nationalism is not fascism. everything that stands against globalism is not fascism.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 05, 2020 09:22 AM |
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now, you'll know the supreme court is corrupt as well, if they don't invalidate the election. at that point, Trump will actually have to go above and beyond. he has millions behind him, who all want the corruption and globalist bs erradicated.
This is what you said. Exchange "globalist bs" with "Judeo-Bolshevist world conspiracy" (and the appropriate policians' names) and it's the right from the nazi political program.
Words like "patriotic", "corrupt" "traitor" have been used as well, mind you.
And just so you know it. The Nazis did NOT want to rule the world. Far from it. The only thing they were really interested in was the European part of the USSR to the Urals. The rest was basically collateral damage due to the fact that France and Britain declared war on Germany (as obliged due to their contract of guarantee with Poland) when they declared war on Poland. Greater Germany, country of the tall blond aryan master race, with women having lots of blond children and men working the rich land of the East. What a nightmare. But that's what they envisioned. Batsh!t-crazy, of course, but no one can say they didn't try the damndest to make it happen.
To round this up: It doesn't matter how many noble words you plaster on an unlawful, violent usurpation of power and how many vile words you vilify the "root of all evil". A coup is a coup.
Keep in mind that the Nazis didn't even do that. They did it legally, and when they had the power they simply changed the rules.
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posted December 05, 2020 11:09 AM |
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Edited by artu at 11:10, 05 Dec 2020.
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@JJ
Well, of course they didn’t want to literally invade every acre in the world but the Lebensraum was contemplated as their gateway to world domination. They would then be the world’s leading power, hence “the master race” and move on from there. And had things gone as planned, I think it’s pretty safe to assume their next step would still be to confront Britain and France in North African colonies.
Overall, Hitler doesnt strike me as a “enough is enough” kind of person. 
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JollyJoker
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posted December 05, 2020 11:56 AM |
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That's just speculation.
However, FACT is that the plan was always to invade the USSR for what was called Lebensraum - that's it. Obviously Poland had to go for that, but Britain was considered as fellow aryans and what they really wanted was a "Nordic Aryan Alliance" with Britain and Scandinavia in it.
Hitler was never interested in even trying to invade Britain and wasn't really behind the invasion plans which means he wasn't really that pissed when they didn't get air superiority over Britain and the "invasion" didn't get past the idea status.
Keep in mind that the actual expectation of Hitler had been that the "allies" would once again chicken out in Poland. When they didn't, the actual plan was already compromised. Denmark and Norway were preemptive defense moves after that.
Everything else was on behalf of Italy, mind you. Hungaria, Bulgaria, Romania and Finland were ALLIED (not subjugated). Yugoslavia, Greece, and Northern Africa were actually the ITALIAN dream of creating something like the ancient Roman Empire again (or something similar); they just couldn't cope and Uncle Adolf had to help the duce out everywhere. Which proved pretty costly in the end, since the invasions of Yugoslavia and Greece cost meant that Russia was attacked a month too late - a very critical month actually.
Now, before you start speculation with a lot of ifs, what Hitler had done or not done, keep in mind that it's not been Germany who'd the deciders here. Let's assume, the German plans in Russia had worked. Moscow fallen in 41, Leningrad as well, the rest later in 42. At the same time Japan had still attacked the USA, had been stuck in China, while the UK would still have stood strong (in India).
Japan also had an interest only in what was at their doorstep, and no interest in invading the US at all.
So there were basically 3 countries (the axis) interested in forging out their own empire, while there would have been basically 3 others (the UK with India and Canada, US and China) plus the Asian part of the USSR and it would have depended on THEIR course of action how that would have proceeded. Would they have made peace after the loss of the European USSR?
Personally, I don't really think so, especially not after Midway went the way it did. The end result would always been "the bomb" and its use, just not only on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but on something like Bremen or Duisburg as well.
Or, in other words, there is basically NO likely scenarion in which Germany would have ever been at a crossroads of whether to stop or to keep on going. When Britain decided to make a stand, that was the beginning of the end.
EDIT: I think, what I simply want to say is, that after the French and the British declared war I simply don't see any halfway realistic possibility that the Germans could have reached a point when it would have been THEIR decision whether to continue or stop.
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posted December 05, 2020 01:38 PM |
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Yes, he did not want to invade Britain, but he wanted to be bigger than the British Empire. Keep in mind that world domination, no matter how powerful you are, is never ever absolute and when people use the term, unless it’s some computer game or sci-fi story of alien invasion, they are never that literal about it. My point was, you cant categorize Labensraum as a domestic plan, it was a shot at world domination in the sense that it was a shot at becoming the world’s super power.
North Africa could be left to Italy, yes, but I think if the Nazis had succeeded, it was inevitable that at some point they would have absorbed Italians. Rommel even suggested to do it while they were allies if I remember correctly. And after that, a clash of British and Nazi Empires in North Africa seems very likely. But as I said, even with no clash in North Africa, I’d say it would be accurate to define the plan as world domination in the sense above.
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posted December 05, 2020 02:34 PM |
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I would contest that very much. "World domination" was way off the radar in 1939. Hitler wanted to dominate the European land mass, period. That was what he could imagine. He saw no point of friction between Germany and Britain and was keen on the idea to share things with the fellow aryans. There was no way to contest Britain as a sea power, and he didn't want that. Whether that might have changed at some point is a moot question.
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posted December 05, 2020 02:50 PM |
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jj, you think any move to support Trump is supporting fascism, because you were taught by the globalist media that Trump is hitler. you ALLOWED them to teach you bs. so what is a Trump supporter, per the globalist media? they call us a cult, they call us fascists, what next? when is it going to click for you people, that the people in government and/or power that the globalist-controlled media attacks(pro-Trump, pro-gun, pro-constitution) are only attacked because they're standing in the way of their globalist agenda?
when is it going to click, that they use the same buzzwords to describe anyone that stands against them? racist, sexist, cultist, fascist... the list goes on and on. you people willingly accept their bs, because it makes you feel good to think you're fighting against those buzzwords; when in reality, you are only fighting people who stand in their way. you are literally HELPING your enemies, and ATTACKING your actual allies.
i realize you already support globalists; so most of this was for everyone else. i know i can't reach you.
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posted December 05, 2020 03:35 PM |
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The election result is, that Biden will become president on January, 20th, 2021. Every illegal move to keep Trump in power and to prohibit Biden following him, would be unconstitutional and de facto a coup. Against the will of the majority of the people and against everything the constitution says how to handle political differences.
A group of people cannot just claim they are right and everyone else is wrong and they want only the best for the country and then force everyone else at gunpoint fo follow.
That amounts to fascism, because the constitution would not be valid anymore and you'd have an authoritarian minority regime.
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posted December 05, 2020 05:03 PM |
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your facts are inverted. the election wasn't legit, and at least 70 million people know it.
our nation was formed because people thought they could screw us over against our will. back then, there were english sympathizers among us, and we were outnumbered. but we perservered, and we won.
and we can win again. there are 70+ million of us now.
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posted December 05, 2020 06:27 PM |
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Fred, why do you think that all 70 million people who voted for Trump think the results are fraudulent? There is no basis for that conclusion, any more than it is fair to conclude that the 78 or so million who voted for Biden believe any single thing. It is the worst form of reductionism.
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posted December 05, 2020 06:46 PM |
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The number based on who voted for him is clearly not the same as the number who think there was fraud, but it might turn out to be roughly in the same ballpark. It seems about 2/5th of registered voters suspect election fraud.
Not that any of this means anything because the US is governed by laws and crimes are determined through courts that follow a process. It isn't governed by lynch mobs. A lot of Americans don't know the capital of Canada or China, or how to balance a checkbook, or they "know" something against their favorite basketball team was a foul even when camera footage shows that it wasn't a foul, etc. It doesn't matter if it is 5 million or 10 million or 100 million, or even if 99% of people think there was fraud because people's opinions - especially when those opinions are rooted in personal pride - don't alter objective realities.
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posted December 05, 2020 06:48 PM |
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What I also don't understand is, that it's just words. LEGALLY, the election result stands and, again, at this point forcing a Trump presidency would make the constitution redundant. It would immediately dissolve the union - because the constitution wouldn't be inforced anymore. It would end the USA.
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posted December 05, 2020 06:55 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
It seems about 2/5th of registered voters suspect election fraud.
As Corribus said, there is "fraud" and there is "fraudulent results", that's not same thing. After all the fuss around Trump in the mainstream for 4 years, one would expect some fraud, stolen ballots and such things, but is there enough ballot switching to substantially change the figures therefore the election result, I think only a very tiny core of aficionados still believe that, far from 2/5.
For that to happen the results in key state should be much closer than that, not in the millions.
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posted December 05, 2020 07:05 PM |
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Corribus said:
Fred, why do you think that all 70 million people who voted for Trump think the results are fraudulent? There is no basis for that conclusion, any more than it is fair to conclude that the 78 or so million who voted for Biden believe any single thing.
there are MORE people who know the election was fraudulent, than there were Trump voters. look at the dems who agree. you think they voted for Trump?
look at the people trying to hide or subvert the facts regarding the fraud. you think THEY don't know?
give me a break. innocent people don't try to HIDE snow. if this election was legit, you wouldn't have so many people trying to STOP or HINDER an investigation from taking place.
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posted December 05, 2020 07:09 PM |
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fred, in which states do you believe that exposing the fraud will switch the state to Trump then consequently the election itself?
Or the idea is to replay all the election because such local fraud?
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posted December 05, 2020 07:23 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 19:42, 05 Dec 2020.
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the swing states is where the majority of the fraud took place(gee, wonder why?). he would only need the swing states redone(and not using the same method they did before, obviously). if it were up to me, i would demand a nationwide recount/revote, in person, with id. the ballot counters would be chosen by lottery, from right, left, and center; and the ballot counting would all be scrutinized like tellers at a bank. that banks have more security than our election process, is a snowing JOKE.
when i went to vote in person, i thought it was sketchy as hell. obviously, democrats were running things. and that's just at that one location in my state, alone.
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posted December 05, 2020 07:52 PM |
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Salamandre said:
As Corribus said, there is "fraud" and there is "fraudulent results", that's not same thing. After all the fuss around Trump in the mainstream for 4 years, one would expect some fraud, stolen ballots and such things, but is there enough ballot switching to substantially change the figures therefore the election result, I think only a very tiny core of aficionados still believe that, far from 2/5.
For that to happen the results in key state should be much closer than that, not in the millions.
What an optimistic opinion of the USA you have
Nope. It appears they actually believe the election was stolen So the distinction 'fraud' and 'fraudulent results' doesn't apply here.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/526464-half-of-republicans-in-new-poll-say-rigged-election-was-stolen-from-trump
Again, none of this matters for the courts. Hormones and mobs don't determine whether or not the election was stolen.
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posted December 05, 2020 08:02 PM |
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Exactly as half of democrats, back in 2016, who when polled answered that Russia got Trump elected.
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