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posted March 26, 2022 11:03 PM |
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What should I add? The sanctions were hard. Blocking Russians from different services in hope that they will be fighting against their government is not a clever idea. Wise ones understand the motivation, of course, but for many others it's "the act of aggression of the West". Technically Russians think that they are helping their comrades in Ukraine, but can't swallow that fact that Russia destroys the independent country in the process. For them Ukrainian people's sufferings are just a by-product of the so-called "special operation". Do you understand? They enjoy that fact that military forces kill people, they don't even understand the price. Just stupid people who continue to play World of Tanks instead of joining their own army. Cowardly people who can only swear their swearings to their TV screens. I understand why it is so. Being a child I heard words of discrimination of other nations from adults. They spoke badly about Jewish people, about Asian people, including people of China, now they hate Ukrainians. I was ashamed of them being a child. How can one *support* any war? That I'm struggling to understand. Do they even comprehend that supporting war means supporting bloodshed? And this war is not defensive war. If it was defensive no one would be against it.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 27, 2022 12:04 AM |
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This war cannot be stopped by blaming Russia. I understand that it's not a popular opinion in these times, but please stop to demonize Russia and stop comparing Russians to fascists. Well, I know it's hard. But if you befriend history, you see that the gap between Russian forces and Nazi forces is huge. I'm terribly sorry that this war happened. I was living in the peaceful country, playing games, writing code, and here - bam - war! I'm not sure that I quite understand that this is happening. Russians have a proverb: measure seven times - cut one. This is very wise proverb. I don't know what can redeem this mistake. There are two ways - to make further mistakes or to stop this insanity. Nikogda ne pozdno - It's never too late.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 27, 2022 12:46 AM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 00:49, 27 Mar 2022.
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I've already proposed the compromiss. But who am I? Lol. Do Russians and Ukrainians want to live in the world full of hatred? I remember how it was difficult to make excuses in the kindergarten. They were saying - please, apologize, and you wipe your tears and snot and answer that you will never apologize. But then we were children, I hope that those who rules countries aren't them anymore. Yes, there's pride. But if you know what I'm talking about, this is not the case when it should be put above human lives.
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purerogue
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posted March 27, 2022 04:00 AM |
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assertive India
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The Indian shift towards Russia has many reasons. The Modi Govt wanted to get aligned with US and the west..During the Trump presidency the relationship were very good. Modi made a mistake by supporting Trump in his reelection campaign. This did not went well with the Democrats. Trump went in to demolish NATO and stopped helping Europe the way EU wanted. India tried to sign a FTA with EU however, EU refused to sign as EU was getting everything from China and EU hated Modi openly supporting Trump.
After Biden becoming President, Modi was sort of hated in US Govt. Few months back Modi went on US trip as UN General assembly session started. He had five days of planned trip. However, Kamala Harris and Biden gave a long lecture to Modi individually. And moreover, all European nations and Middle East nations cancelled their scheduled meetings with Modi. And anyone who knows Modi should know that Indian foreign policy is Modi's personal foreign policy. Before Modi, For 70 years Indian foreign policy was very much considerate towards Russia and USSR.
Modi had to wind up his trip in two days and he returned in 60 hrs from US trip which includes traveling time too.
Secondly, Trump cancelled Indo Pacific treaty which Obama had signed. Later on Quad was created and then Aukus and India felt left out. India realised US is just creating greater rift between India China. And being a big strong neighbour, India can't always fight with China. It's strain on it's economy.
US has broken it's promises many times it made with India. The Tibetan refugees were taken into India in the insistsnce of US. Before that China India has very good relations. During Sino Indian war in 1962, US support came when India had lost lot of ground. it was Nehru's fault too as he wanted to disband army altogether before the war.
After returning from US humilitated Modi did first thing to renew Indo Russian peace treaty. Met Putin couple of times, signed few arms deal. Modi realised it's Russia which can help and support India in sorting out its relation with Chinese in much better way than US and west which were trying their best to drive in wedge deeper and deeper between India and China.
So apparently Biden faced up Modi and is now paying the price.
btw India has a larger pop. than China now..
add: from the comments, the Indians understand after China they're next  (=NATO)
add2: decides future of humanity
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Ben80
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posted March 27, 2022 05:47 AM |
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purerogue said:
Modi realised it's Russia which can help and support India in sorting out its relation with Chinese in much better way than US and west which were trying their best to drive in wedge deeper and deeper between India and China.
In this the Americans and the British are great masters - to divide and quarrel peoples. The old Roman principle is "divide and conquer".
The classic story is India and Pakistan: the British were forced to leave India, which was their colony, but left behind a "gift" - the division of a single country into India and Pakistan. Now here they have helped Russia and Ukraine to quarrel, which should have been reunited long ago, as well as India and Pakistan.
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Ben80
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posted March 27, 2022 06:40 AM |
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AlexSpl said:
They spoke badly about Jewish people, about Asian people, including people of China, now they hate Ukrainians.
"Sometimes it's better to chew than talk."
AlexSpl said:
please stop to demonize Russia and stop comparing Russians to fascists
Who are you addressing ? Exactly you demonize Russia and exactly you think they are fascists.
"With friends like you, one doesn't need enemies."
Good article, you can read at your leisure:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7520959.html
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posted March 27, 2022 10:33 AM |
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Its imposible to demonize Russia. This caountry is full o psychopats with no emapthy as we see in your posts. I dont tell about spirituality because is science fiction in Russia. Its very hard to discuss with yours for me because you dont have human feelings. Its like discussion with aliens why they must eat all people.
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Salamandre
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posted March 27, 2022 10:56 AM |
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Don't use the madness of one to spit on the whole people. They rule in classical music. Then there is literature, poesy, ballet, chess, sports. Russians are exceptional and it's a shame they were despised for decades by ignorant and illiterate politicians.
When I see nowadays our universities cancel Dostoevsky and our orchestras remove Tchaikovsky, I start having a doubt on which side is spiritually deficient.
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posted March 27, 2022 11:08 AM |
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I consider it below my dignity to respond to those whom I consider hopeless fools and spiteful inadequacies.
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ihor
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posted March 27, 2022 11:10 AM |
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The problem is that nowadays Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky aren't considered the greatest Russians by Russians themselves. In all recent Russian polls of the greatest people of the world of all times, Stalin and Putin are leading by a lot. They chose their heroes.
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Salamandre
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posted March 27, 2022 11:23 AM |
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That's because spiritual legacy is considered as universal then such polls mostly send to historical figures, where intellectuals and creators are never confined.
French would say Napoleon or Charles de Gaulle are the greatest ever, then Americans probably saying greatest American ever is Abraham Lincoln.
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posted March 27, 2022 12:09 PM |
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Isn't that all beside the point?
Russia started the war. Only Russia can end it. Which says a lot in itself.
It's damning in more than one way. There was a time when the Ukraine was a nuclear power. Sure, it wouldn't have been easy to make them all usable and so on - but suppose the Ukraine had done that. Would Russia STILL have gone to war?
And what does that mean? Should EVERY country get a couple of nuclear missiles? Would that stop all aggression?
I very much doubt that - probably on the contrary. Africa and the Near/Middle East stocked with missiles? Uh oh.
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Salamandre
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posted March 27, 2022 12:13 PM |
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That's binary thinking. Responsibilities are multiple, hence the solution for peace can't come only from Russia.
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Ben80
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posted March 27, 2022 01:13 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Don't use the madness of one to spit on the whole people.
And what do you think this madness is? Only that my opinion and assessments are different from yours? I am not calling for anyone to be killed or persecuted, I also, like everyone else, sympathize with all the innocent suffering. Perhaps you decided to insult me ​​for the reason that you do not have enough knowledge and ability to understand what I am talking about.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 27, 2022 01:35 PM |
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Ben80, do you see that you cannot even understand that he speaks not about you? 
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Ben80
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posted March 27, 2022 01:36 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
Ben80, do you see that you cannot even understand that he speaks not about you?
I'm weak in English but I understand that he speaks about me
Although I agree that my behavior is somewhat insane - but this is already according to my personal criteria.
Of course, just actively participating in this discussion is already insane.
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AlexSpl
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posted March 27, 2022 01:50 PM |
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It's too bad that we are accustomed to say "Russia, Ukraine, Russians, Ukrainians", instead of singling out responsible people specifically. It creates a lot of confusion. Like shared responsibility. But we used to it. I think we should move away from this in the future.
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Salamandre
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posted March 27, 2022 01:51 PM |
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@Ben
Nope, I was answering to Baronus who said Russia is full of psychopaths. Madness of one, that meant Putin, not Ben - sorry for not being clear enough.
Great spot I reached, antagonized by both anti and pro Russia. Means I'm objective
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posted March 27, 2022 01:59 PM |
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Of course, just actively participating in this discussion is already insane.
If you were silent, it would tell a lot about you. At least you're not indifferent to what's going on.
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posted March 27, 2022 02:07 PM |
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Salamandre said:
That's binary thinking. Responsibilities are multiple, hence the solution for peace can't come only from Russia.
And all the women, who are rape victims share the responsibility because they wore mini-skirts, right?
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