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posted October 22, 2022 12:42 AM |
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yeah sure, populist, far right, misguided, all the cheap slogans the "progressive" left keep calling those one inch or more on her right.
Btw, artu, most of my colleagues are right wing - you keep nurturing the myth that intellectuals and artists are on the left, that was maybe true 10 years ago when pink unicorns could fly - is just that they can't openly say it, in fear from losing next promotion or worse. The tolerance of the "guided", mind you.
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posted October 22, 2022 12:43 AM |
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purerogue said:
"Western" values ARE monolithic AND have pervaded every corner of the globe.
I had a gf, typical Hong Kong chick whose mother went to Berkeley in the 60/70s.
It was only many years later, with me approaching 40 and many dry years in between, because organically after the initial impetus I have little in common with anyone else from a city of 7M.
Then by chance i started to have interactions with China proper.
Let me tell you. I need not say it, you should be able to guess what I am saying.
I dont think all Western values are or should be or can be culturally unique to the West. Because they are actually industrialized urban values which historically happened to develop for the first time in the West. But within some space for cultural flavor, a transition from an agri-cultural society to an industrial one with big cities has some pretty basic transformations sociologically. Individualism (at the price of a certain level of alienation), secularization, centralized education and so on...
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posted October 22, 2022 12:50 AM |
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Salamandre said:
yeah sure, populist, far right, misguided, all the cheap slogans the "progressive" left keep calling those one inch or more on her right.
Btw, artu, most of my colleagues are right wing - you keep nurturing the myth that intellectuals and artists are on the left, that was maybe true 10 years ago when pink unicorns could fly - is just that they can't openly say it, in fear from losing next promotion or worse. The tolerance of the "guided", mind you.
Most right-wing movements are populist, they attract the masses by identity politics, it's the nature of the beast. And yes, historically and in general, intellectuals and artists are leaning to left-wing much more often, they are not conservative due to the creative and universal nature of their work. There are extremely good exceptions of coursebut it is certainly no myth.
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posted October 22, 2022 01:25 AM |
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artu said:
I dont think all Western values are or should be or can be culturally unique to the West. Because they are actually industrialized urban values which historically happened to develop for the first time in the West. But within some space for cultural flavor, a transition from an agri-cultural society to an industrial one with big cities has some pretty basic transformations sociologically. Individualism (at the price of a certain level of alienation), secularization, centralized education and so on...
Call them "modern" values in general, the all-why-do-we-need feminism to feed the industrial complex etc.
I'm just saying it sucks.
Ok, there are advantages.. but I'm still never getting married unless it's a super trad-con ( )
The taliban got everything wrong except for ONE thing.
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posted October 22, 2022 02:31 AM |
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Salamandre said:
fred, we had a jew, Eric Zemmour, running for presidency and not only he didn't make it, but major medias + almost all jewish community trashed and vilified him.
Being a jew, being a woman, or being a black, to name a few of the group identities complaining the most about oppression and discrimination, means nothing, you still have to think and act a certain way, and there is where the problem starts.
Look in France, they constantly complain about women not being in power position, yet Marine Le Pen ran 3 times for the top of the pyramid, and the same people constantly whining about patriarchy this, patriarchy that and how women can't make it, didn't vote for her, but for a man.
Political correctness is the race and the gender required.
none of this explains anything whatsoever, for what i posted. do you understand what that gif represents? how about the picture of the rothschild with his finger in english royalty's chest? do you remember that one?
DO you have explanations or understandings of what they both mean, or are you going to just avoid the pertinent like everyone else who avoid attempting to argue very real points that i've brought up? because all i'm getting out of you is more avoidance. less so than the others, but you're still avoiding a clear and concise point.
so, the gif and the pic i referenced. thoughts on them? do you grasp what they both signify?
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posted October 22, 2022 08:17 AM |
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purerogue said:
artu said:
I dont think all Western values are or should be or can be culturally unique to the West. Because they are actually industrialized urban values which historically happened to develop for the first time in the West. But within some space for cultural flavor, a transition from an agri-cultural society to an industrial one with big cities has some pretty basic transformations sociologically. Individualism (at the price of a certain level of alienation), secularization, centralized education and so on...
Call them "modern" values in general, the all-why-do-we-need feminism to feed the industrial complex etc.
I'm just saying it sucks.
Ok, there are advantages.. but I'm still never getting married unless it's a super trad-con ()
The taliban got everything wrong except for ONE thing.
Not sure if I get you right, but with that attitude, why WOULD any woman WANT to marry you? To become a slave?
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posted October 22, 2022 10:31 AM |
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artu said:
Most right-wing movements are populist, they attract the masses by identity politics,
Identity politics is a complex concept.
Right wing movements attract masses by praising cultural identity, which is not same as group identity. Culture is a constantly moving concept, however within a specific civilization historically settled and proved values, like mixing reason with morale, freedom with responsibility, science with religion etc. Its role is to create a solid and unbreakable bound within people who believe in same things, regardless their race and gender identity. Cultural identity is about where you come from and how far you can go as a civilization.
On the other side, the left wing movement use the group identity as they need the new masses of uneducated immigrants to keep voting, elsewhere they can't win any race, mathematically speaking. As usually those immigrants don't care about the history and culture of the hosts - and even hate it because they have been lobotomized about how it kept them down -, the left keeps darkening and erasing the cultural and historical achievements of the past then cancels any attempt to restore patriotism and that cultural bond. Group identity is about how you look and doesn't care one second where you come from or where you go. Then it settles how you should think based on your look, and if you don't bow, the group will expel you.
Who bows and fuels the critical race theory, right or left?
The left fractures the national unity, our declining west societies prove it enough. It also heavily penalize the debate and the free market of ideas, by censuring and canceling anything challenging its weak ideology. Do you really believe I can start a public debate about my ideas and not put in jeopardy my job and social survival? You are naive, this is how far it went, the "tolerant" left.
Now, about artists and intellectuals, you are right, such people, by the nature of their work and education tend to prioritize universalism and absolute equality, however when reality hits back and your daughter is raped by a Sudanese who had nothing to do there, or your entire work is canceled as one word offended the blue haired transfools illiterates, universalism becomes the last of your priorities.
fred79 said:
none of this explains anything whatsoever, for what i posted. do you understand what that gif represents?
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so, the gif and the pic i referenced. thoughts on them? do you grasp what they both signify?
Well, many french people feel ashamed how far some of our leaders act servile when dealing with Jewish representatives. However, I don't give it more importance than a political correctness detail, as it has zero impact on our culture, economy, freedom, democracy and so. Zero. Of course I can speak only about France. The only negative thing I can think about is the Gayssot law, which in my view is unacceptable, as it penalizes people who dare questioning or denying war genocides. No debate or idea, except when calling to violence, should be prohibited in any society bragging about how freedom of expression is its core value.
France's history about jews is sensitive, deported then gassed, millions of them. My former country never did such things, so I don't have the ability to experience that sort of guiltiness, as french do. As they keep electing leaders with limping knees, I guess they are fine with.
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posted October 22, 2022 11:30 AM |
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@ Sal
There's a lot of flawed logic and misconceptions in your last post but I have company today and will be drinking hard. So I'll take a raincheck, we will write in a couple of days.
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posted October 22, 2022 10:23 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
with that attitude, why WOULD any woman WANT to marry you?
I am not your father, and you're not your mother.
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posted October 22, 2022 10:42 PM |
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No, I'm not my mother.
I think I called you a troll before. No reason to change that assessment.
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posted October 22, 2022 11:47 PM |
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"zero impact, zero"
"except that law that locks people up for questioning the holocaust".
well done, sal. you managed to make a liar out of yourself immediately after you claimed that jewish power over so-called "authorities" had zero, i repeat, ZERO impact on your country.
well, that's not entirely a wash, then. but remember when you used to complain about the "migrants" that were being "allowed" into your country?
who do you think that idea even came from? who do you think convinced(or paid/coerced) western leaders that it was a good thing?
who do you think even got those "migrants" headed towards western european countries in the first place?
i'll give you a hint: it's the same people responsible for getting a law put in place where you don't question a historical event where their billions in reparations, and their biggest victim-card, came from.
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posted October 23, 2022 09:13 AM |
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The Gayssot law is not a "jew" thing, is a "far left leaning politics" marketing product, you can also go in court for saying "majority of crimes are done by immigrants" or "a woman can't have a penis" while is a fact, so you see the problem upside down.
Annihilate politically the part of far left - and by extension the flabby squealer right, the one kneeling to intellectual terrorism, then all those unconstitutional "laws", medias censure, cancel culture, discrimination based on political beliefs, will be gone or at least back in the debate. All the so called "oppressed" minorities are very active at victimizing strategy thus get a free pass, the question is who allows them to succeed. And that's not the Jews, sorry if you can't see the elephant in the room. These will be my last thoughts on this subject.
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posted October 23, 2022 09:50 AM |
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the jews created and grew the far left, sal. why do you think i'm always trying to explain to people that their virtue and good will are being used against them? look into who puts the most money into the left.
you have pieces of the puzzle, but you're not putting them together. everything you rail against, sal, the jews are responsible for in some way, shape, or form. either directly, or through their control of others. this isn't tin-foil hat bs, sal. research what's snowed up, and you'll find them behind everything; both the left and the right. each side is used differently, but they're both used by the same tribe to achieve their goals.
case in point: the ukraine/russia bs. the leaders of both countries are owned by that same tribe, and they are BOTH doing what the jews want. one, literally IS from that tribe.
i don't know how i can be any clearer. everything i say on this can be seen and/or found out by anyone who cares enough to, and is able to break their social engineering programming.
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posted October 23, 2022 01:30 PM |
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- In the capitalist world, out of 192 countries, 162 belong to the category of low or beggarly income. These are 84% of the subjects in which 86% of the population lives. If capitalism is as beautiful and natural to human nature as its proponents claim, why doesn't it work everywhere?
- Because in those places where he works, he works at the expense of those places where he does not work 
p.s. In the remaining 30, where he allegedly works, not everything is so simple either ... And there are enough beggars there.
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posted October 23, 2022 08:13 PM |
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I agree that the Soviet Union was a "better" country than the current capitalist Russia under Putin. It's one of history's cruel ironies that it wasn't Gorbachev's plan to dissolve the USSR.
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posted October 25, 2022 01:57 AM |
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Ben80 said:
If capitalism is as beautiful and natural to human nature as its proponents claim, why doesn't it work everywhere?
what the snow does capitalism have to do with the ukraine/russia bs? we're not discussing capitalism, we're discussing who's directly benefitting from the meatgrinder the masses of those countries are being put through. we're also discussing who ISN'T benefitting from that same meatgrinder.
if it was capitalist countries benefitting from that meatgrinder, then why is it those countries are giving billions in aid to jews, while the countrymen of those same capitalist countries are being forced to cut back on societal comforts (or pay higher prices for them) AT THE SAME TIME? YOUR TAXES ARE PAYING FOR CORRUPTION OF THE HIGHEST ORDER, AND YOU ARE PAYING TO SUFFER.
one DIRECTLY correlates with the other. if none of you can SEE that, then you're snowing BLIND. there's BOUNDLESS evidence of what i'm pointing out; it's so snowing OBVIOUS that you'd have to be actually RETARDED to NOT put TWO AND TWO TOGETHER. your taxes are going to jews, while your countrymen are DYING. and now that winter is coming, you are being told that you CANNOT HEAT YOURSELVES. you are paying HIGHER PRICES FOR FOOD, GAS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, because YOUR LEADERS ARE GIVING YOUR COUNTRY'S TAXES TO JEWS. AND THOSE JEWS ARE DEMANDING YOUR CORRUPT LEADERS FOR MORE OF YOUR TAX MONEY, AND FOR YOU TO GIVE YOUR VERY LIVES, BECAUSE THOSE BILLIONS OF YOUR COUNTRY'S TAXES AREN'T ENOUGH.
and who benefits? capitalism? or jews?
there's only ONE answer to that question. and it most certainly isn't capitalism.
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posted October 25, 2022 12:01 PM |
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I'm surprised comrade Benov isn't drafted yet to die with a rusty mosin in hands
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posted October 25, 2022 04:10 PM |
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So what happened to the Ukrainians guys here?
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posted October 26, 2022 10:47 AM |
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Either drafted, or fled to the west, latter one is more likely.
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posted October 26, 2022 04:31 PM |
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What's the fastest way to get over the "unjustness" of something - think of all the ways you yourself are screwed. 
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