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posted October 17, 2022 11:14 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
so why negotiate?
to avoid catastrophic consequences, obviously. but i wouldn't expect you to understand that; you just think everyone should bend to the will of your globalist masters and never question anything, ever.
don't worry, they don't plan on negotiating anything(at least, not in the way nations normally would when faced with catastrophic consequences during an actual conflict. they'd be negotiating something else entirely from what they claim). at best, if they can't push the people they want off the proverbial cliff, they'll just back off and distract you and everyone else who has no understanding of what's actually happening, with some other bs. as per usual.
then another thread will be created for that. and another, and another, ad infinitum. and none of you will ever know what's really going on; nor even care to see outside of what they tell you.
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posted October 18, 2022 08:05 AM |
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@Sal I think we can both spare our time then.
I shared my observation with you and you made your points.
But sentences like these: "If Zelensky refuses negotiating as until now, + continues his terrorist actions on Russian soil, he will be the only responsible for all civilians killed further."
show me that you seem to have a strange conception of what is happening there.
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posted October 18, 2022 08:27 AM |
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Didn't Zelensky definitively close the door to negotiations on his last video, around the 1st of October?
Detonating explosives in civilians cars isn't a terrorist attack by definition?
So, what is "strange" in my conception?
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posted October 18, 2022 10:42 AM |
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It's not "strange", it's completely absurd. Responsible for killed people are always THE KILLERS. Not those who don't give in to demands or refuse to surrender. If you are attacked and gthe attacker demands that you hand over anything you have, threatening to kill your family, it's not YOU who is responsible for their death when you refuse. It's still the killers.
If Zelensky orderd the hit on Dugin or her father, he's guilty of that death. Period. Is it a terror attack? No. It's a (failed) assassination attempt.
And just for the record - what would they negotiate? For what?
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posted October 18, 2022 11:30 AM |
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Funny how you all ignore reality and slip on a dangerous and warmongering attitude, as long as others die. Ukraine survives only due to foreign aid, 41 countries sending all they have. If that stops, they collapse in one week, as their capacity to produce munitions was annihilated long time ago.
Therefore Zelensky is NOT in a position where he can decide whatever he wants, his priority should be proposing deals and be open to incoming deals. Because he is dependent on others effort. Instead, he acts like his support through occidentals is at 150% (while it is less than 50% as people start to wake up), or like he is entitled to everything. He refuses to negotiate, he publicly declares that they will kill every Russian until the last, he engages in terrorist actions, so what next? Ask for nuclear strikes on Russia? Wait, he already did it.
Russia attacked Ukraine. Yes, is unfortunate, dramatic and they should be condemned and sanctioned. However, if any of you believe one second Ukraine will win this war, take your pills then. They will lose everything in the process, everyone knows the massive foreign aid from USA is a loan, right? That will cripple them for centuries, look at Iraq's situation today.
JollyJoker said:
If Zelensky orderd the hit on Dugin or her father, he's guilty of that death. Period. Is it a terror attack? No.?
I already read that excuse. From the Islamic State. Good to know you share their logic.
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posted October 18, 2022 11:55 AM |
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That is a load of nonsense.
Zelensky is simply defending his country. He doesn't accept the "new reality" of Russian controlled Ukrainian territory - as doesn't the West, mind you. So there is still a war raging on Ukrainian territory, and understandably, Ukraine wants their territorial integitry.
Now think about what THE WEST reasonably wants. FOR SURE the West doesn't want to suddenly accept that part of Ukrainian territory is now Russian controlled. If they did that, they wouldn't have had to start delivering weapons at all. With all the sanctions and commitments and so on, the West cannot give in to Russia now and tell Zelensky to accept some kind of "peace". A major reason is that you cannot trust this Russia in any way to keep to any treaty.
In other words - the West made up their minds and there's no backing-off now. They would lose too much.
So it's on Russia to offer acceptable terms for anything. THEY attacked, they are STILL the aggressor. THEY must make "concessions".
Demanding the Ukraine to give in would be extremely short-sighted.
Now: Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
If Zelensky orderd the hit on Dugin or her father, he's guilty of that death. Period. Is it a terror attack? No.
I already read that excuse. From the Islamic State. Good to know you share their logic.
What EXCUSE? You know that intentions are dishonest when people shorten quotes. You conveniently missed the addition Quote:
It's a (failed) assassination attempt.
(Failed) because they obviously didn't hit the INTENDED victim. An assassination is an assassination, no terror attack. Firing rockets on civilian housings are terror attacks.
If we talk about excuses, you are the one making them for Russia. For whatever reason. And you follow the wrong logic. Giving in to bullies threatening with destruction can't be a good idea. If Putin is intent on destroying the worls if everything goes to crap for him, he will do it anyway and there is no way to stop him. He won't stop at Ukraine, as he didn't stop with Crimea.
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posted October 18, 2022 04:19 PM |
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Ukraine should not be losing, where is the courage, man.
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posted October 18, 2022 05:15 PM |
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Mikhail Mishustin
Unknown Prime minister never talked about Ukraine.. If Putin is dead or gauche something, so Mikhail gets place just temporary president.. Maybe better man than you know Dmitri Medvedev.. However we can't know.. All Putin's move.. Ok
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posted October 18, 2022 05:41 PM |
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@Pol,
You are just sick people who have distorted everything that is possible. It is useless to teach you history - you never want to know the truth. The West has always lived only by lies and does not want to know anything but lies. Everything you (Westerners) write bad about Russia actually applies to you. This is your most characteristic feature. You are racists, you are liars, you are murderers. That's how you've been all your history, and that's how you remain today.
Anger will not help you - you are doomed. You lived well before at the expense of the rest of the world, but now the end is coming. Irony of fate - for centuries Europeans had colonies, and now they themselves are a colony (USA).
But Russia is doing well now and will continue to do well.
You Pol have said so much nonsense that I can only advise you to consult a psychiatrist.
SO, it's actually doesn't apply to me, I'm no 'Westerner'. And you have short memory and love your illusions. You know what?
Maybe one day you will wake up. But it's not on me but on you. Until that you proved no arguments, so continue dreaming.
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posted October 18, 2022 06:28 PM |
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You know Czech is a very angry, Ben80.. If you don't believe me, you can search D. Hasek's opinion in Google..
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posted October 18, 2022 10:03 PM |
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smdh @ jj actually typing, "he(zelenskyy) is defending his country". as a jew, he would be defending israel, not ukraine. and if jews were actually "defending their country", then why did they all flee back to israel while the real, white, ukrainains, were told(and in some cases, actually FORCED) to stand and fight?
-i- know why, but you aren't going to get it. you literally just stated the answer, and you don't even know it, because you deny actual information in favor of propaganda.
jj, you and the others are so completely removed from reality, that it's staggering to witness. what was that cia dude's quote again? "we'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false". said quote was made in the 80's, i believe. that was 30+ years ago, and a quote aimed at only one nation. guess how far the disinformation program has spread? just take a guess. this is fact; not fiction. and, something else to consider: this was only SAID then. it's most certainly NOT when it began. it's just when someone slipped and said something people WEREN'T supposed to hear.
there's been a lot of that going on for the last 15+ years or so; and i and others are taking notes.
it's just too bad that that information is too frightening for you to even consider.
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posted October 19, 2022 05:40 AM |
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fred79 thinks Jews have planned WW3.. And then Jews destroy Palestine.. and Jews build a new world.. But fred79 doesn't know king of the North is a passive in the Bible.. How Jews can realized passive? Impossible!
Ok Russia planned full/complete LGBT prohibition.. They said Satanism.. also clean LGBT in Ukraine.. Russia said the West allows pedo..
Maybe the next Israel, the Bible and religion, thus the Bible told about incest, dad and daughter, etc What the Lord commanded Jews realized them.. Later on Jesus time, those are banned.. An odd opinion like blood matter.. When Cain killed his bro, so you can't eat a blood.. The Bible style.. Quite!
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posted October 19, 2022 06:27 AM |
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Ghost said:
fred79 thinks Jews have planned WW3.. And then Jews destroy Palestine.. and Jews build a new world.. But fred79 doesn't know king of the North is a passive in the Bible.. How Jews can realized passive? Impossible!
LOL. thanks for that. "the king of the north! the king of the north! the king of the north!" 
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posted October 19, 2022 10:12 AM |
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The pressure has obviously reached that point in the world again where people are prepared to grab at straws in order to find someone they can put the blame on for everything that seems wrong in the world. Exactly one hundred years ago Einstein wrote his sister about politically and economically dark times coming.
Are we supposed to listen to the same crap again? Can't these idiots who come up with all that nonsense be creative for a change and come up with a different culprit? Body Snatchers from outer space? A secret empire on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean or deep in the earth somewhere in the Antarctic, maybe? You know, repetitio non placet, they already knew that in Rome.
I wonder how all these idiots think about that little Austrian - was he an unrecognized genius or a sore loser for not getting the job done. Isn't that a really nice question to beat each other's skull in while deciding which idiot group is right?
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posted October 19, 2022 06:49 PM |
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posted October 19, 2022 07:10 PM |
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JollyJoker
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posted October 19, 2022 07:56 PM |
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LOL. Trouble is, the ceasefire ended March 31st 2021, RUSSIA refusing to extend it.
Simple fact.
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posted October 19, 2022 08:49 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
...grab at straws...
Are we supposed to listen to the same crap again? Can't these idiots who come up with all that nonsense be creative for a change and come up with a different culprit? Body Snatchers from outer space? A secret empire on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean or deep in the earth somewhere in the Antarctic, maybe? You know, repetitio non placet, they already knew that in Rome.
I wonder how all these idiots think about that little Austrian - was he an unrecognized genius or a sore loser for not getting the job done. Isn't that a really nice question to beat each other's skull in while deciding which idiot group is right?
so everyone should stop connecting the dots and finding out the facts just because you don't want it to be the jews? then you say that it's not entertaining enough, that we should be claiming ridiculous things that don't exist, and WE'RE grabbing at straws? how can you NOT see how you're doing that very thing?
facts don't go away because of your feelings. you can call us all idiots or whatever catchphrase they programmed you to use, but we're not going away, and there are more of us who are discovering who's behind the bullsnow we all have to deal with.
the question is, why do you immediately make some inane attempt to blame something that doesn't exist? you DO know blame can be placed on actual things that exist in our world, right? i mean, you do it all the time. "russians". are you racist against russians? maybe, i don't know. but you blame literally whoever you're TOLD to blame. you don't have any independent thought; that much has been discovered. the only reason you grab at straws yourself, is because you flat-out refuse the information being presented. i see the same thing in literally EVERYONE who regurgitates the "official" narrative just like you do. you're never going to admit that you are being misled, because you either aren't capable of seeing it(likely), or because it goes against your programming, or both(most likely).
i know you won't come out and say it, but i'm not a nazi. i'm not an idiot, either. what i am, is just somebody who PAYS ATTENTION and KNOWS the "official" narrative is utter bs, and that whoever listens to that bullsnow is being played for a fool. what i am, is someone who wants to know what's REALLY going on, always. and i know. because i don't hide behind FEELINGS that KNOWLEDGE could somehow be RACIST. that a FACT could somehow be HATEFUL. that TRUTH should be avoided because it casts a group in a NEGATIVE LIGHT. that REALITY shouldn't be pointed out, because then i would get some RIDICULOUS LABEL.
i know you have never questioned this, but just WHY is it, that people who go against the narrative, are all described as NAZIS in the press? wouldn't any OTHER word suffice? do you know why it DOESN'T? because the group CONTROLLING the press are NAMING their WORST ENEMY. that's why it's ALWAYS "white supremacists".
I'M not the supremacist. THE JEWS ARE. you refuse to see that, because of the aforementioned reasons.
they are who's behind the russian/ukraine bs. they're setting the stage for catastrophic destruction, and doing as much damage as they can in the meantime. THAT is why zelenskyy doesn't "negotiate", and instead calls for more foreign power and the extermination of MORE whites. THAT is why the jews were allowed to flee the country, but the WHITES of ukriane had to stand and fight. because jews TARGET whites specifically. they know WE are the greatest threat to their WORLDWIDE POWER. referring to your "little austrian"... it took jews' control of OTHER WHITE WESTERN NATIONS to stop germany from attempting to slow, isolate, or eradicate jews' OVERWHELMING POWER.
germany was defeated, just like every other nation eventually will be, because of the jews' power. and that's why the world gets germans like you, who have absorbed jew programming, and denounce your own country's people in favor of jews. and you apparently will NEVER connect that vital dot.
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posted October 20, 2022 05:12 AM |
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You forget Jews can't summoned Hitler.. and Jews are a Middle Eastern N. You know idea from North N and South N. What? Northern people are Egypt, Morocco, Libya, etc. So South African people are also N. But Jews take off black coat and hat.. What it means? Ready for Fight! I've experienced with Jews.. So I recommend you use Supreme White lotion.. If you are black hair, etc It does beauty mixed race.. True Supreme white means alien UFO.. 
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posted October 20, 2022 11:55 AM |
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@yogi
As JJ stated out ceasefire ended at March 31st 2021. OSCE mission decided to remain and still continue to monitor - which in my opinion was a mistake.
Because, they haven't guaranteed their presence in Donbas by Russia, so their monitoring was limited.
And secondly, you now see, that Russia is using the map without any texts. If anyone would like to check the accompanying texts, it would note that ceasefire was detected - but usually not by whom.
So, on what you are looking is some mess of attacks and counterattacks, without way to logically connect them. By itself useless, to determine the causator.
And the title is misleading too. In more ways. The war was started by Russia (by Mr. Strelkov) in Donbas and then continued to Crimea at 2014 (with use of Putin's infamous green men). So both is wrong, who and when.
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