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posted October 20, 2022 12:52 PM |
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Just this once, fred, because I consider talking with you a waste of time:
fred79 said:
then you say that it's not entertaining enough, that we should be claiming ridiculous things that don't exist
See, fred, that's EXACTLY it: You do already claim ridiculous things that don't exist - but ridiculous things that have been claimed for a thousand years already, one way or anoher; you know, from the Jews killing Jesus Christ, to when a plague broke out, it were the Jews who poisoned the well, to the Jews being immoral because they would lend money, to the great Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy. It's BORING.
Find a fresh angle.
Until then, consider me bored and, frankly, disgusted.
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posted October 20, 2022 01:13 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Just this once, fred, because I consider talking with you a waste of time:
fred79 said:
then you say that it's not entertaining enough, that we should be claiming ridiculous things that don't exist
See, fred, that's EXACTLY it: You do already claim ridiculous things that don't exist - but ridiculous things that have been claimed for a thousand years already, one way or anoher; you know, from the Jews killing Jesus Christ, to when a plague broke out, it were the Jews who poisoned the well, to the Jews being immoral because they would lend money, to the great Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy. It's BORING.
Find a fresh angle.
Until then, consider me bored and, frankly, disgusted.
you didn't even try to address the content i posted regarding the ukrainian president, who is a jew, who is being given billions in military aid, who called for nuking russia, who let the jews flee ukraine and forced the whites to stay and die, and who won't negotiate to save "his own countrymen's lives"; despite the fact his country is nothing compared to russia, militarily, without foreign aid, which somehow the jews ALWAYS NEED. big surprise.
instead, you choose biblical times and a history that can't really be proven and is easy to debate against, which cannot be immediately observed and verified by everyone TODAY. like RIGHT NOW. another big surprise, you pick something easy to argue against.
the jews running things today, anyone could easily observe for themselves(because it's OBVIOUS, and they BRAG about it, and the information is RIGHT there at your useless fingertips, on their OWN WEBSITES; if you cared to actually EDUCATE yourself. but you won't. because "new" germans are such nazi apologists, that you would even allow the jews to wipe YOU out just to virtue-signal to the world that you're not the "bad guys" like the nazis were. you'd wear your extermination as a badge of honor, and even have it carved into your tombstones. which the jews wouldn't allow any of you to even HAVE; if you actually permitted yourself to know ANYTHING AT ALL about them.
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posted October 20, 2022 01:32 PM |
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LOL. fred79 said:
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Boooooring. 
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posted October 20, 2022 04:44 PM |
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i think some part of you, deep down, knows what i point out is fact; which is why you avoid addressing anything that has undeniable evidence backing it up. you're just too afraid to see what's right there for you to see, so you always take the easy way out. the COMFORTING way. like the rest of the herd.
when you laugh at what i'm pointing out, you're laughing yourself into your grave. you and all your loved ones. so laugh it up, sparky. your herd form a line to the kosher butcher's block.
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posted October 20, 2022 08:57 PM |
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Standard doomsayer parting shot: one day you'll see I was right, but then it will be too late.
Booooring.
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posted October 20, 2022 09:07 PM |
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@fred79
I know JJ for some time and can assure you, that he's not going comfortably with the "herd".
Quite opposite, it seems to be you. Connecting dots is fine. It's what you should be doing, everyone should. At its own speed.
Unfortunately it means, that depending on speed, all people will come to the similar conclusions in different periods.
Facts:
#1 - Negotiating is possible only with party, with which you accept the same rules. If the other one is cheating, you would be damn silly to continue.
#2 - Every nation is equal. Every human is equal.
I guess, that you have serious unfounded obsessions with Jews. Jesus Christ is ok? Making your world simplified to blaming just one nation or man is something with which you feel mentally comfortable?
Seriously, you need to get better in "connecting dots". Conspirations theories aren't bad for chewing your minds upon them. But don't loose touch with reality. You have the will to discover and that's good. No need to haste. Give it some time. Things will make a better picture later on.
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posted October 20, 2022 09:22 PM |
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Pol said:
#2 - Every nation is equal. Every human is equal.
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posted October 20, 2022 10:59 PM |
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@fred79
#2 - Every nation is equal. Every human is equal.
Therefore Mother Teresa = Ed Kemper, Q.E.D.
It's not a fact, it's an ideal. And a naive one at that. If you truly consider this pipe dream as a fact, then I'm afraid your thinking has more in common with a schizophrenic than a progressive. Your fanaticism only serves to undermine the cause for which you argue, which is sad.
To treat every human as equal (regardless of the truth of such a proposition) seems to me requires a certain measure of open-mindedness and original thought. Your dismissal of fred's ideas as "unfounded obsessions" demonstrates exactly the opposite of such qualities.
Not that the nazis got it right, but you don't get smoke without a fire.
JollyJoker said:
See, fred, that's EXACTLY it: You do already claim ridiculous things that don't exist - but ridiculous things that have been claimed for a thousand years already, one way or anoher; you know, from the Jews killing Jesus Christ, to when a plague broke out, it were the Jews who poisoned the well, to the Jews being immoral because they would lend money, to the great Jewish-Bolshevik World Conspiracy. It's BORING.
Absolutely, Jews and their massive influence in media, academia, western government, banking and finance don't exist. They're dragons, really. Works of fiction. The long lists of influential Jews in these fields surely indicate that Jews are having a hard time of it in the world. They're the victims here. It's just all those damn anti-semites, you know? Now I'm not saying that this necessarily means that Jews *are* angling for world domination, nor is it even evidence of such a plot. But it does mean that Jews *do* hold a great deal of influence in these fields, on a global scale, and you'd be a fool to deny this.
Is it then conceivable that Jews would use this influence for their collective self-interest? I think so. A great deal of politicians, officials and high ranking executives are corrupt, this is practically popular belief, and even though I hate going with popular belief, I see no reason to go against it in this instance (and much evidence to go with it). Is it not then natural, if we take your claim to be true, that all humans are equal (even if not, I don't think Jews are so fundamentally different that they're free of the usual human vices, either), to say that Jews in power (and there are many of them, enough that the law of large numbers applies) could be corrupt too?
I repeat as many times as necessary: I am not claiming for a fact that Jews in power are corrupt. But I am certainly saying it is possible, and even plausible. Is it true though? Damned if I know, I'm not trying to be Alex Jones here. But I do find the casualness of your dismissal of fred's words to be disingenuous, even adjusting for his lack of civility in presenting them.
Anyway, we're all wrestling with our ignorance and limited knowledge here. Why don't we all just have sex instead? A group orgy is just the thing to get you guys sensing that human connection and seeing what we have in common again. Buttsex is awesome.
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posted October 21, 2022 01:57 AM |
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speaking on "limited knowledge", there is more than enough knowledge to be had, to verify what i say, exactly. jews aren't alone in their domination, but they are expressly responsible for corrupting, attempting to corrupt and destroying (and attempting to destroy) nations throughout history. they are directly responsible for at least 90% of the western world's subversion and decay.
what you are seeing with the ukraine/russia "conflict" is a theater-version replay of the machinations (or rather, motivations of those pulling the strings behind the curtain) during world war 2.
they will call themselves the victims, while at the same time, being the aggressor.
facts:
1. the jews were allowed to flee the ukraine, while zelenskyy(a jew himself) told the white national ukrainians to stand and fight (meaning, DIE against a military far superior to theirs in size). this isn't up for debate.
2. zelenskyy received billions in aid from jewish-misled/controlled countries, and after all they GAVE him, he asks for even MORE from these countries. he stated he will NOT negotiate, and he implored OTHER COUNTRIES to NUKE RUSSIA. none of this is up for debate.
3. ukraine's president and prime minister, the number 1 and number 2 of that country, are both jewish. zelenskyy became the president of ukraine in 2019; shymyhal THEN became the prime minister in 2020. the ONLY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE ONE-HUNDRED AND NINETY-FIVE COUNTRIES IN THE WHOLE WORLD where BOTH the leader and the second in command are jewish, is israel. that ALONE should raise a red flag, in a predominantly WHITE NATION. a jew, whose ONLY loyalty are to his OWN kind, had ANOTHER jew put in power beside him, in a country that is predominantly WHITE. this also isn't up for debate.
4. zelenskyy is in league with the World Economic Forum; which is literally run by a Rothschild jew. this isn't up for debate, either.
5. putin is in league with the World Economic Forum, too. they removed him from their web page for "WEF Young Global Leaders", stating that it was because he invaded ukraine; when in reality, they removed him before too many people could put 2 and 2 together. this also, isn't up for debate.
these are all simple observable FACTS. they CANNOT be refuted. resonate some understanding, put two and two together; and then find what ELSE the jews are up to, and your "limited knowledge" will start dissipating. they are NOT just some special-interest group. they are ONLY geared towards power for themselves, and the destruction of everyone who they see as a problem for them. those who would REFUSE their programming, or REFUSE to be their "gentile" slaves. people like MYSELF, who KNOWS their power, and have EXPERIENCED THAT POWER FIRSTHAND. THEN i and others watched as they FLAUNTED their power WORLDWIDE during trump's presidency. that flaunting, i and others believe, was meant to dishearten; but it ended up only stengthening our resolve to fight. and to spread their deeds and goals far and wide, to get EVERYONE ELSE to fight. before it's TOO LATE.
anyone who has functioning eyes can see. anyone who cannot see, is blind.
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posted October 21, 2022 06:41 AM |
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Jews hold a lot of power positions and usually distinguish in many creative areas, to refute that is foolish, is fact and statistics.
Is it due to race or some global conspiracy? No, but to specific approach towards education and responsibility - commonly a sign of high intelligence. In classical music area, which I know best, all the Jews I meet worked harder, had the best possible parental support, were cultivate people, therefore reached excellence faster, and we know success in life is about chaining smart decisions. I don't know a single musician who became famous for being jew but I know a lot of excellent musicians who are jews. I know also a lot of jews who didn't make it, despite having best opportunities, parental support and everything, except they didn't have the qualities of their ambition. You can't cheat the market.
Naturally, having people who share same identity group at the top of the pyramid has an impact on all actions and politics towards that group, worldwide. But that would happen with every other identity group as well ; what you think, if major banks and consortium were hold by Chinese or Russians, would not that shift most of political and financial decisions in their favor?
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posted October 21, 2022 06:48 AM |
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what you're referring to, sal, is jewish nepotism. if you've been putting your people above others for centuries, gaining power and doing everything you could to dumb others unlike you down and make yourself appear benign(even going so far as to use your power over others to make it ILLEGAL to hate you or even QUESTION the historic event that you have milked for sympathy and BILLIONS in reparations), and you've been scheming so long that it's practically(if not literally) in your dna, you would also be better-equipped to take seats in power, or even be more intelligent than the average joe.
if intelligence is your only measuring point for greatness, then i'll remind you of oppenheimer. intellect without morality typically comes with businessmen and psychopaths; and the two aren't mutually exclusive. and, as i'm sure you're aware, you know what happens to people who have to deal with them.
in other words, your admiration is ill-placed, sal.
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posted October 21, 2022 07:50 AM |
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Let me just say so much about all this nonsense (and, Herry, you actually make no points, it's just rhetoric, no smoke without fire, any more of those).:
What would the Chinese, the Indians and the fricking MOSLEM oil billionaires (not only in the Middle East, but also in Indonesia, for example) say to this Western centrist opinion about Jews being in power everywhere?
World domination? They would just laugh their asses off.
Sure, there ARE rich Jews. Always have been. Just read (or watch) a classic like Ivanhoe, taking place in the 12th century. Isaac of York, a Jewish MONEY LENDER, is a pretty rich and influential guy in the Jewish community, but as 12th century England is CHRISTIAN, they are frowned upon (and emigrates to Granada or plans to afterwards).
He is money lender because THEN money-lending was an immoral business for Christians, but not for Jews, so Jews would do that, and, frankly, people who lend money for interest are not really popular, simply because not only OWE people to them, they owe them WITH INTEREST.
So some Jews became rich through that and certainly were among the first who founded banks when the Renaissance set off. (Later the protestants hadno qualms whatsoever with making as much money as possible, of course).
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posted October 21, 2022 07:53 AM |
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fred79 said:
what you're referring to, sal, is jewish nepotism.
Nepotism accusations are an universal and politically effective tool, blacks accuse whites of nepotism, whites accuse jews of nepotism and so on. I mean, if you disagree on white supremacy being the reason keeping blacks lower, then logically that could be applied also to jewish nepotism, no? What's the difference?
The thing is, the world can be unfair, some people look better than you, some are smarter, some have more charisma, some are born rich, some are jews, some are like Ghost. What can you do, you have two options : keep yelling it is unfair, which will change nothing, then learn from and give yourself a chance to match those in a higher position. Pragmatism.
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posted October 21, 2022 04:14 PM |
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Salamandre said:
fred79 said:
what you're referring to, sal, is jewish nepotism.
Nepotism accusations are an universal and politically effective tool, blacks accuse whites of nepotism, whites accuse jews of nepotism and so on. I mean, if you disagree on white supremacy being the reason keeping blacks lower, then logically that could be applied also to jewish nepotism, no? What's the difference?
The thing is, the world can be unfair, some people look better than you, some are smarter, some have more charisma, some are born rich, some are jews, some are like Ghost. What can you do, you have two options : keep yelling it is unfair, which will change nothing, then learn from and give yourself a chance to match those in a higher position. Pragmatism.
uh-huh, ok. do you recognize anyone in the following gif, sal? one should stand out to you in particular. hopefully, both do.
do you see what's happening in the gif, sal? do you know WHY someone would be grabbing the president of your country's wrist like that, sal?
do you think that's due to jews being better at what they do? take a second to ponder this before replying, please.
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Lol, it’s both hilarious and in a way sad to watch Sal, still trying to reason with fred's craziness which is by now Charles Manson level. I mean:
The Ukranian (Western) and Russian conflict is not real, it is a theatre of the globalist cult led by the Jews and of course, we also have the race card, the "white" Ukranians stay and fight while the "jew" Ukranians flee to Israel, the head of the snake. And by his flawless logic, every Jew in the world must defend and support Israeli foreign politics and pledge their loyalty to their government.
When in fact, even some Israeli citizen jewish people are against Israeli government's politics. Again in fact, in the beginning of the conflict, all countries with national identities prioritized accepting fleeing Ukranians that are of their own nation, Turkey took in Turkish Ukranian citizens first, too. Like in any war zone, most civilians, Jewish or not, tried to leave that zone, hence, the Ukranian government had to illegalize males of suiting age to leave the country. And what exactly is this "white" anyway, I never thought of Woody Allen as a Latino or Arthur Rubenstein as a black, why arent Jews suddenly white? They were the rich, oppressing guys behind the curtain a few minutes ago, is this to point out the globe is ruled by a cult of non-white minorities and how the whites are the real victims? What constitutes this whiteness, the dots in fred's head?
Oh, he connects the dots, allright. You guys are explaining about work ethics and stuff to a person who takes a GIF, the fraction of a moment and interprets "the body language" as certain proof that "the Jews" are bullying the French president... In public, on stage, by physically twisting his arm, because that's how international politics work! At this point, I think the best thing you can do is advice he seeks professional help. Addressing such convictions as if they can be taken even a bit seriously will only feed into his delusion. Right about now, he will again start going on about how we cant see what's right in front of us, because in his mind, his convictions are not only reasonable, but undeniably factual. That's not a mind that connects the dots that exist on planet Earth.
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posted October 21, 2022 08:04 PM |
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I really wonder how smart Elon Musk is brazenly helping Ukraine against Putin/Russia. I guess he feels brave with the U.S./woke behind him.. but once they started jamming his signal (?) he proposes peace, and ofcourse asks for the money he "volunteered".
I don't see it, he must be way smarter than me.
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posted October 21, 2022 09:55 PM |
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fred, we had a jew, Eric Zemmour, running for presidency and not only he didn't make it, but major medias + almost all jewish community trashed and vilified him.
Being a jew, being a woman, or being a black, to name a few of the group identities complaining the most about oppression and discrimination, means nothing, you still have to think and act a certain way, and there is where the problem starts.
Look in France, they constantly complain about women not being in power position, yet Marine Le Pen ran 3 times for the top of the pyramid, and the same people constantly whining about patriarchy this, patriarchy that and how women can't make it, didn't vote for her, but for a man.
Political correctness is the race and the gender required.
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posted October 21, 2022 10:11 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Political correctness is the race and the gender required.
Not so.
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posted October 21, 2022 11:45 PM |
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Yes, populist right-wing movements are on the rise everywhere and a lot of social scientists and journalists compare our times with 1930's, pissed off and poor masses in a world changing very fast, looking for a boogey man to blame.
Fair is fair, on social media, left-wing cancel culture is also quite extreme but it is usually all bark and no bite. Sometimes I get the impression that because of his personal surroundings which is music department of a university in France, most probably one of the most liberal and left-wing surroundings that can be, Sal's perception of political climate of our times is misguided. He talks as if we live in overprogressive times, like 1960's or something. Not at all.
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posted October 22, 2022 12:03 AM |
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"Western" values ARE monolithic AND have pervaded every corner of the globe.
I had a gf, typical Hong Kong chick whose mother went to Berkeley in the 60/70s.
It was only many years later, with me approaching 40 and many dry years in between, because organically after the initial impetus I have little in common with anyone else from a city of 7M.
Then by chance i started to have interactions with China proper.
Let me tell you. I need not say it, you should be able to guess what I am saying.
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