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Hexa
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posted October 14, 2002 06:04 PM |
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I did read Freaks earlier post now .. and I wil say here in public that those kind of racist things will not be allowed here.
Please edit the post and consider it a warning!@
Lewis (and others) if u see something like this IM me or another mod and we will take care of it. We don't have the time to read every post u know 
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privatehudson
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posted October 14, 2002 06:06 PM |
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*sighs*
Every arab is out to kill you huh? It's never ok to label and hate an entire people on the actions of a proportion of these people, never justifiable. I don't want to be nasty, but Hitler and his goons used similar arguments to slaughter 6 million of your fellow jews simply because he felt that because a proportion of them were money grabbing and influencing the world for bad motives then that he though that gave him the right to kill them all. You cannot label an entire race for these things, no matter how many times they kill you.
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For you it's easy to say that we are all wrong because you don't live where we live and don't experience what we do,
Pleanty of people have lived the same way and come out at the end determined to create peace and not hate eachother. Take N. Ireland where people in belfast lived with the same terror for 30 years, and to a smaller extent here. I don't know too many brits (except a minority of people in belfast) who came to the conclusion that all Irish people are scum and should be thrown out of the country or killed.
Oh and freak said "so 4 me a good arab is a dead arab any arab!" Which kinda indicates that he hates and wants dead ALL arabs (hence any), which in my mind is racist as he labels an entire race of people as the same for the actions of a few of that race. That kind of attitude leads to genocide, the very thing every Jewish person should gaurd against the most in the wake of their history, not promoting in their own homeland.
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IYY
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posted October 14, 2002 07:35 PM |
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You say what you know, and it's stupid to expect you to say anything else. If ALL you know about Arabs is that every one you met so far was trying to kill you - you would have no reason to believe anything but that they are all like that.
As I said, it's all a statistical thing. If 200/200 Arabs you meet are trying to kill you, you assume that 100% of Arabs will.
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bort
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posted October 14, 2002 07:39 PM |
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Hold on, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that Israel is not a racially pure nation or whatever -- at a certain level, Palestinians and Israelis are living side by side, albeit uneasily. Are you claiming that every single Palestinian or Arab that has ever walked by you or freakmebaby has, say, whipped out a knife and made a lunge at you or blown themselves up in your general direction. Wow. I had no idea it was that bad. I apologive, you are fully justified in hating ever single person of arab descent to walk on the face of the Earth.
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IYY
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posted October 14, 2002 07:46 PM |
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It was like this, but right now most Arabs proved that they side with the terrorists. I am sure that freak never met those that didn't, because it's too dangerous to go right into an Arabic town right now. When I lived there not a long time ago, I knew some Arabs that were ok but I still wouldn't want to go visit them in their town because it's full of Arabs that will try to kill me.
But right now, I am quite sure that yes, at least 90% of Arabs will try to kill us. Like if you drive into a Arabic town, they will start throwing rocks at your car (big ones, enough to kill). And I know that for fact because I lived there and it happened to me.
Now if an Arab goes into a Jewish town, nothing will happen to him unless he is carrying explosives.
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bort
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posted October 14, 2002 07:58 PM |
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Look, I know what it's like living in the middle east. I've lived in Yemen and Egypt and also lived in Bangladesh which is also a Muslim nation. I've had the standard "fahq you I keel you Yanqui!" crap yelled at me and my mom once was hit in the head with a rock because, despite her long sleeves and pants and she was even wearing a scarf over her head, apparently too much of her was exposed and she was threatening to seduce all the men around her. I've lived under generalized death threats -- after Reagan bombed Libya, all the Americans in Yemen were under threat and one of our family friends got shot in the head but miraculously survied and another family avoided being blown up by a car bomb because, well, whoever set it wasn't very good. I also know that the hijackers on 9/11 were predominantly Saudi and that they would have killed me as soon as look at me and I saw the celebrations in the arab world when they happened.
However, I've also played tag and GI Joe and soccer with Arab children. Several of my friends growing up were Arabs or other muslims, some of whom I'm still in contact with. So I don't think you can make the generalization of all arabs want to kill you just because many do. Because remember, if the only Israelis a Palestinian have seen are blowing up the building next to him or pushing him out of his home to build a settlement or, straight up shooting at him, he might come to the conclusion that all Israelis want him, personally, dead and he may well act accordingly.
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IYY
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posted October 14, 2002 08:13 PM |
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I didn't know that you lived in a country similar to our's. I guess this means that you know a little about how we feel. However, I'm sure that the % of hostile Arabs was the same where you lived and that makes a difference.
And again, I'm not saying anything against Arabs in general because I had some Arab friends as well.
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privatehudson
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posted October 14, 2002 09:03 PM |
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You may not IYY but far too many (ie more than 1) israeli's seem to share freak's opinion that they should all die. Besides this fact can we stop reffering to them as arabs and try palestinians, Islamic people or whatever is the case since arabs covers an awful lot more than Palestine.
I still contest the idea you should assume that 90% should make you assume that all of them are out to kill you. As bort said have you stopped to consider they probably think the same of your people with their tanks, helicopters and bombs? I'm not comparing actions here, but they have possibly reached the same conclusion as you, namely that all or 90% of Israelis couldn't give a damn about them and would like them either dead or removed from the country so they can ignore the problem like it never existed?
And I happen to know relatives who during the 3 years prior to your declaration of independance who did tours of duty in the British army in Israel. You blew up Hotels and attacked civilian targets back then, many of which killed british soilders at the time. It astounds me how quickly Israel forgets the principle means for it's founding is based on terror! None of these came back with the impression that every Israeli wanted to kill them, they just accepted it and got on with life. I and most have my family have also lived in Britain during the 30 years of IRA and Unionist Violence in Northern Ireland and I don't know any of them who came to the conclusion that all or 90% of catholics/Irish were scum when it may have seemed that a similar percentage of them felt that way about the union.
Other countries have faced terrorism, Israelis are not alone in fearing for walking the streets of certain cities or saying the wrong thing. Where I live near Liverpool has strong Catholic/IRA support and you learnt to grow up watching what you said in certain pubs or to certain people. The way you deal with terrorism is down to you who are being attacked. To react with hatred, generalisations and violence will only result in a continued amount of violence in return. It's what terrorism thrives on, it's what they recruit with. The sad fact is that every time Sharon sends the army into somewhere the scum who bomb you get more and more recruits. It's a shame that cannot be seen by more of the population of the country.
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Lews_Therin
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posted October 14, 2002 10:30 PM |
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Very good posting Bort, Iīd just like to add ...Quote:
... and I saw the celebrations in the arab world when they happened.
These celebrations were at least partially faked by CNN. Remember the cheerful old woman in black? When she was interviewed later, she was shocked that the film had been used in connection with the terrorist attack. According to her, she had been offered a piece of cake for acting joyfully in front of the camera.
Guess why CNN repeated only this one film of Arab 9/11 celebrations thousands of times.
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Lews_Therin
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posted October 14, 2002 10:47 PM |
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And IVY, I completely understand why Freak is a racist, but that doesnīt cause me to like his postings, and even less the mod support that followed. I also understand why many people are antisemites, but that doesnīt keep me from considering these people to be scum, either.
Letīs try to take the other point of view, do you understand why some Palestinians explode themselves in order to kill as many Israelis as possible?
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Hexa
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posted October 14, 2002 10:52 PM |
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Lews did u actually read what I posted?@
Or are u just gonna keep hammering on about that?
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Hexa
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posted October 14, 2002 11:03 PM |
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Letīs try to take the other point of view, do you understand why some Palestinians explode themselves in order to kill as many Israelis as possible?
Here is what I posted about that in the Bali thread.
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Well what can we say about these actions huh?
Let's asume it was the ALQ.
This is soo difficult to discuss.
We have such a different mindset then most of the muslims.
While we are saying ... "Why kil all those innocent people?" they wil honor the people that committed the attack and say that they have carried out Allah's will and that the folowers of Satan are being punished.
Where to start talking to settle this?
hmm lost my train of thoughts after removing my typo's.
oh wel just me thinking outloud.
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posted October 14, 2002 11:08 PM |
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IYY dammit, the name is IYY!
anyway:
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Letīs try to take the other point of view, do you understand why some Palestinians explode themselves in order to kill as many Israelis as possible?
Interesting question, it could be asked in different ways.
Answer1: Because for them it's holy war and they claim that that's what their God wants them to do.
Answer2: Because they are promised to go to heaven and their families are honoured.
Answer3: Because their families get money.
Answer4: Because they want to take back their land.
Answer5: Because they think that all the Jews are evil.
Many answers and I think that they are all correct (I know that 1-4 are for sure). The thing is that does not justify going and blowing yourself up! You see, all Freak was doing is being a bit racist and paranoidic, while those guys just go and kill! Don't you see the difference?
You might say that Israili soldiers also kill Palestinians, but as I said what you are hearing is mostley rumers spread by the news just like the ones about that woman you were talking about.
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Lews_Therin
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posted October 14, 2002 11:35 PM |
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Hexa
Iīve read your response, and thatīs why I did not keep on "hammering". I merely refered to a posting that I made earlier today.
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While we are saying ... "Why kil all those innocent people?" they wil honor the people that committed the attack
Urg, and you really believe in what you are saying here?
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You see, all Freak was doing is being a bit racist and paranoidic, while those guys just go and kill!
You see, all Freak was doing is being a bit racist and paranoic, while many of those guys are a bit racist and paranoic, too. Some of them so much that they blow up themselves.
And if you read what I wrote above, youīll see that, unlike you, I did not justify anything.
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privatehudson
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posted October 14, 2002 11:41 PM |
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Many answers and I think that they are all correct (I know that 1-4 are for sure). The thing is that does not justify going and blowing yourself up! You see, all Freak was doing is being a bit racist and paranoidic, while those guys just go and kill! Don't you see the difference?
The only difference being that he doesn't go out and kill people, when they do, but it's ok to have those thoughts? What about those Israeli's who do take action (and you can't tell me it hasn't happened, Sharon himself permitted a massacre in the lebanon through his lack of care for Palestinians), are they condemmed also, or are they merely acting in defence of their homeland as well?
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Hexa
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posted October 14, 2002 11:59 PM |
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Yes I believe in what I said there.
In the community where the attackers come from the will be "honored".
U have different info/facts?@
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posted October 15, 2002 12:08 AM |
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Well, they do get honoured for blowing themselves up, not even to mention the money their families get for that. And the honour is both by the people and, so they claim, by God. I'm sure that the cause itself is no longer why they fight, it's all about honour and money.
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madmartigan
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posted October 15, 2002 12:56 AM |
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I agreed %90 of IYY's posts, except the last one.
Israeli ppl normally hate the arabs. Who would not hate a nation with whom thay are in a never ending bloody war?
There is enough reasons to hate the arabs as seen in Bort's post. And maybe even more. As I have stated in one of my former posts, I do not like the Arabs more than Freak or IYY does.
But what he ignores is (imho) that Arabs are fighting for their lands. And they have no weapons to do that except explosives and stones.
He blames Arabs for hating them. He says a Jew cannot enter an arabic area, and explains what will happen if such a thing happens. And then adds that an Arab will not get into trouble in a Jewish area unless he is carrying explosives.
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Would it be the same, do you think, if it was the Arabs who invaded the lands that Jews have owned for centuries-ith their tanks and modernized army whereas your ppl had nothing but stones and clubs to fight back? Would it be the same if it was Arabs who invaded your capitol and did what you did to Arafat to a loved and respected Jewish leader (I read in one of the posts that most of the Jews did not like the current president)?
Do you think that Jews would not use suicide bombers in such a situation? Don't you think Jews would sacrifice themselves in order to save their families? Would not you try to kill as many Arab soldiers as you can?
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IYY
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posted October 15, 2002 01:06 AM |
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No, the Jews would not use suicide bombers. I know that for a fact. Neither would the British or the Americans or any other nation (except maybe Japan but it's not exactly the same thing). Being a suicide bomber is like shouting out loud "I don't value my life! I value only death! I prefer to kill myself in order to kill others!". It is not civilized for mothers to send their children to a certain death (and it's not like the army: they do have a choice).
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Would not you try to kill as many Arab soldiers as you can?
You do know that the suicide bombers and the katyusha missles are never aimed at soldiers or military bases, right? They only kill civilians. That is their target.
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posted October 15, 2002 01:20 AM |
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You do know that the suicide bombers and the katyusha missles are never aimed at soldiers or military bases, right? They only kill civilians. That is their target.
Yes, I do know that.
But, I do not think, either, that it is only the Palestine soldiers that the Israeli soldiers kill.
I do not defend the arabs. But, I think that the arabs' attitude and way of playing the "war" game does not justify the slaughter that Israel army performs.
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