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posted October 02, 2008 09:58 AM |
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How I am supposed to know?  We'll see for ourselves one day. Perhaps the feeling of 'boredom' doesn't even exist there. That would be welcome, yes.. eternity isn't something our mind can handle
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posted October 02, 2008 09:59 AM |
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72 virgins....for a whole eternity...you have to think about an economical way to handle that, otherwise the bigger part of eternity will become pretty much boring...
 
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posted October 02, 2008 10:26 AM |
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72 virgins....for a whole eternity...you have to think about an economical way to handle that, otherwise the bigger part of eternity will become pretty much boring...
Watch Postal, you will learn that there are not 72 virgins available. Osama confirms it. The "OMG SO MANY VIRGINZZZZ" stuff is actually a very good marketing strategy. Whoever thought that islamic gods have no tactics.
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posted October 02, 2008 12:38 PM |
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What is an "adequate" reward?
I have already asked some months ago, what believers think what will happen after they have died. How the "paradise" looks like, and more important, what will you do "the whole day"?
Paradise isn't a place where people dress in white, eat biscuits, bang virgins etc. At least in Orthodox Christianity, I'm far more familiar with it than with Catholicism or Islam. See, Heaven and Hell aren't physical places where people drink tea and chill in the clouds, or boil in pools of lava and vote Republican. Heaven and Hell are states of the soul.
I'll try to explain.
If I understood my theology lessons right, the thing is that God loves all humans equally (though on a different level than we love other human beings); if you accept him, you will reach a community with him and you will love him as much as he loves you, leading to a state of peace and merit for your soul. However, if you refuse and deny him, he still loves you (after all, he created all of us, so it's only reasonable that he loves all of us), but his love will burn you from the inside - like it's always uncomfortable when someone loves you and you don't like him/her, but understandably on a far different level. You will not go into a place where horned things stab you with pitchforks, you will simply sink into oblivion by your own choice. God created the Earth to live in a community with him, with humans being the only creatures on it able to have an active bond with God. God created and formed matter, and it is God that keeps it from returning into a state of non-existence. By denying any form of God, you also deny anything he created, including yourself, and thus your very essence diminishes and your soul simply disappears. It's in human nature, it's not that God gives anyone ultimatums like "worship me or die" (he doesn't need this world, this world needs him in order to continue its existence). So Hell isn't an eternity of suffering, it's more like a single moment of disappearance. While otherwise, in a community with God, you are eternal in your own right. It is said that humans are created to help God shape the Earth, to live as free beings, and while they're mortal and not godly by nature, they can achieve a form of divinity through their own benevolence.
Sounds a bit confusing or complicated maybe, but it can make sense if you get inside it. Sure, it's a religious spiritual theory, but that doesn't mean it's automatically crappy. It's pretty much based on the notion of "knock and you'll be answered". You won't understand it if you don't want to understand it. God sure as hell won't perform some sorts of miracles to make you believe in him, he created us free and therefore it's our choice. That's what it's all about basically.
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Veldrynus, life is full of binary choices. Will you eat or starve? Will you breathe or hold your breath? Will you commit suicide or live on? Do you masturbate with your left or right hand? Sure, a lot of choices have many options, but a lot of them are binary, too. You always have the ability to choose, though sometimes the choice is obvious. It's not just about religious matters.
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posted October 02, 2008 02:32 PM |
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I have already asked some months ago, what believers think what will happen after they have died. How the "paradise" looks like, and more important, what will you do "the whole day"?
No gravity, no space, no time -- how is a "day" defined?
That question is so deep and unless you can visualize a world that is outside our own then it remains unanswered. Even if I knew (and I don't obviously) I could still not be able to explain it.
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posted October 02, 2008 02:36 PM |
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Bak:
That sounds nice, but what about all the "book of life" and "lake of fire" bits?
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posted October 02, 2008 03:15 PM |
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I don't know of a single Orthodox Christian who believes in those parts literally. There are perhaps different views in Catholicism (wouldn't surprise me after seeing all those Young Earth Creationists), but like I said, I cannot judge those since I'm not so familiar with them. I'm just answering according to what I've learned about Eastern Christian theology.
The "Book of Life" part refers to prolonged existence of the soul in community with God and his code.
And as for the lake of fire, it is said that God's love burns the souls which refuse it, thus hellfire is a fair enough metaphor in my opinion. All similar terms about hell symbolize moments of agony and eventual oblivion that follows souls which deny God and thus themselves. I doubt that John had pitchforks and volcanoes in mind when he wrote the Revelation. But that's one of the "knock and you'll be answered" parts; you can always choose to take things literally in order to downgrade the Bible, but then you won't be able to understand it at all. 
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posted October 02, 2008 03:20 PM |
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Hmm. If this life was just the best simulation game ever designed (because you can't just top that feeling of reality), and in the "real reality" players would wake up and say, ok, growing up in a 3rd world country, half starving every day and then dying of aids age 18 has been pretty gross and quite rich and vivid, emotionally. I'd like something different now for my next game: how about having kids and see them botch up their life? Now, THAT should be quite intensive as well!
Would you still say life was unfair?
That's an interesting way to look at things 
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posted October 02, 2008 06:25 PM |
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I've edited this post because what he wrote isn't worth any one's time in reading.
The gist of it, is that he has very little to do with his time, and spewing filth at a gaming forum seems a viable option to him.
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posted October 02, 2008 07:56 PM |
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What is an "adequate" reward?
I have already asked some months ago, what believers think what will happen after they have died. How the "paradise" looks like, and more important, what will you do "the whole day"?
A german comedian had a nice expression refering to the reward those islamic assassins have to expect:
72 virgins....for a whole eternity...you have to think about an economical way to handle that, otherwise the bigger part of eternity will become pretty much boring...
My concept is a lot different then most, but that is because I don't think any 1 religion has it right. The afterlife is a different experience for every person. While parts are shared, and the souls can interact, for the most part the afterlife is a personal experience.
I think if you soil your soul with earthly 'evil' it will stain your 'soul'. The evil you commit in this life will carry over, and make your afterlife darker for yourself. Not explaining it great, but should convey the general gist.
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posted October 03, 2008 02:01 AM |
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Bak:
How can you be in agony if you're merely in oblivion - that is, you don't exist?
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posted October 03, 2008 04:52 AM |
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What if you decide you accept God's love after you die?
I mean, it seems a bit childish to me if God's like nah it's too late now, you had your chance now burn 
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posted October 03, 2008 05:24 AM |
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Don't worry. If that happens, I'll invite you over for some cold coffee on the attorney layer.
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posted October 03, 2008 05:34 AM |
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What if you decide you accept God's love after you die?
I mean, it seems a bit childish to me if God's like nah it's too late now, you had your chance now burn
There are some christians that do believe there is a chance for redemption. Basically, depending on how much misery and suffering you caused you are in the firey pit for so long. Then..if you are truely repentant, you get 'promoted' to something like a servant in heaven..then after awhile full citizen. Or something like that.
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posted October 03, 2008 05:42 AM |
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I don't think that's the case anymore since purgatory is gone. Gotta love it. Pope says there is no more purgatory and BAM, an entire ethereal realm is erased from church dogma.
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posted October 03, 2008 06:48 AM |
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What if you decide you accept God's love after you die?
I mean, it seems a bit childish to me if God's like nah it's too late now, you had your chance now burn
There are some christians that do believe there is a chance for redemption. Basically, depending on how much misery and suffering you caused you are in the firey pit for so long. Then..if you are truely repentant, you get 'promoted' to something like a servant in heaven..then after awhile full citizen. Or something like that.
Yeah, but they just made that up.
I could make up something to.... that all sinners have to wear Polar Bear suits even though its 32 degrees and they have to dance for like 8 hours at a time while God makes bad jokes for only like a dollar which isn't even enough to buy a meal at McHeavens
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posted October 03, 2008 01:00 PM |
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What if you decide you accept God's love after you die?
I mean, it seems a bit childish to me if God's like nah it's too late now, you had your chance now burn
Trust me, it's really hard to do it for LOVE, you'll do it for fear, and that is NOT love, you have to be HONEST with yourself and truly be sorry for what you have done.
TRULY. Not faking lol. That is childish.
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posted October 03, 2008 02:07 PM |
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Bak:
How can you be in agony if you're merely in oblivion - that is, you don't exist?
If I understood correctly, hell (agony) is a state of the soul, and while the soul exists, it carries its hell with it too. The lack of enlightenment and faith during the lifetime is considered agonizing - a sort of hell on Earth. Some may not realize it, but if one believes in nothing then his is an empty life, futile and solely materialistic. A man needs to believe and think about things higher and greater than him; if he becomes a slave of something lower, like money, power or some other material joys, and that's his only driving force in life, then not only will he fall into oblivion after death, but his days of existence are also pointless and painful in a way. A man can, of course, find love and faith at any point in life, and that can put him on the right track. Then again, a faithful man may lose his faith. We are, as always, free to choose our path at any time. We just need to choose them sincerely and seriously. Life's a constant crossroad.
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posted October 03, 2008 02:31 PM |
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Some may not realize it, but if one believes in nothing then his is an empty life, futile and solely materialistic. A man needs to believe and think about things higher and greater than him
??? I don't see how. I just don't see how at all. Why is one's life futile if one doesn't believe in things greater than self? Makes no sense. I don't believe in anything supernatural, yet I'd hardly call my life futile and empty. I enjoy my friends and family, do stuff, etc. Hardly empty, and it's very presumptuous of you to say so. My life is not empty.
And I must ask you to define "materialism".
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posted October 03, 2008 03:17 PM |
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Why is one's life futile if one doesn't believe in things greater than self? Makes no sense. I don't believe in anything supernatural, yet I'd hardly call my life futile and empty.
You will after you die, all these things that you think "fill" yourself will no longer be there, see?
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