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posted November 18, 2009 09:24 AM |
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There's nothing wrong with knowing how to use a weapon and give CPR, respect your elders, etc. Sure, I wouldn't have liked to be in such a programme, but really, it's not that bad. For kids that are more inclined to physical activity, this could be quite enjoyable.
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posted November 18, 2009 09:37 AM |
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I can understand some of the frustration here. Some of us Americans do get awful tired of how we are portrayed. There is also a huge double standard. Everybody is free to say anything they want about US, but if we say one word we are "Racist" "Hate Mongers" or etc.
Does the US have issues, absolutely, EVERY nation does. So? Sorry we are not perfect. Just try to realize we are Individuals.
To my knowledge there is not a single bone of hate in my body. Maybe because I am one of those Heinz 57 varieties. Irish, German, Italian, American Indian, and probably a lot more are 'mixed' in me.
We don't see things the same, and that is fine. You are free to think whatever you want. Our nation is not the only one who does this, and like I said .. at least we don't use our children as living bombs. *shrugs* Peace out.
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posted November 18, 2009 09:40 AM |
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Actually, you're wrong. All Americans are bloodthirsty thugs. A 14-year old kid on the Internet told me so.
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posted November 18, 2009 09:46 AM |
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Shhh, that's a secret. You are not supposed to tell anybody.
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posted November 18, 2009 09:51 AM |
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Damn, I let it slip. I'm going to have to kill all you non-Americans here.
It's okay, though. I'll have fun doing it. 
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posted November 18, 2009 10:44 AM |
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You can't deny some facts. If you look at this report:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf
which is giving complete statistics for 1999/2000, you'll see that the homicide rate within the EU is at an average 1.7 (highest being Northern Ireland with 3.1) (per 100.000) while it's 6.3 in the US of A. With capital cities for the EU it's Amsterdam/Netherlands and Belfast/Northern Ireland with 5.4 and 5.2 respectively, while it's a stunning 50.8 in Washington DC.
Any explanation for that?
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posted November 18, 2009 10:56 AM |
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And this has what to do with the price of rice in China?
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posted November 18, 2009 11:18 AM |
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You can't deny some facts. If you look at this report:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf
which is giving complete statistics for 1999/2000, you'll see that the homicide rate within the EU is at an average 1.7 (highest being Northern Ireland with 3.1) (per 100.000) while it's 6.3 in the US of A. With capital cities for the EU it's Amsterdam/Netherlands and Belfast/Northern Ireland with 5.4 and 5.2 respectively, while it's a stunning 50.8 in Washington DC.
Any explanation for that?
No, but we got theories.
I would start with the gun regulation laws, and social laws. I would guess its partially due a high criminal rate, and GUNS(instead of 2 people to the hospital you got 2 people to the morgue).
North Ireland is a conflict area, which explains its ridicules high 3,1.
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posted November 18, 2009 11:22 AM |
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Ok, but I still don't see the connection at all. Is it that somebody thinks that without guns their would not be as many people comminting Homicide?? Cause that is kinda like saying that without chocolate bars there would be no obesity..
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posted November 18, 2009 11:39 AM |
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Its homicide. Basically the idea are if 2 people with guns start fighting they will shot and kill each other.
The other is that you got drug wars AND lots of poverty. Along with heavy social differences.
So basically, the guns is what pushes +10 to +50.
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posted November 18, 2009 11:44 AM |
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You really think it makes that much difference? Sorry, if we had clubs and such we'd still be killing each other. It might get a bit more messy, and yeah firearms seems to make it easier.
However, it is like the Death Penalty arguement (which I am neither for nor against). People claim it cuts down on crime, and bring up statistics of fallen crime rates to support it. Not realising that a million OTHER factors could be the cause. Does crime rate drop because of it, possibly..never know. Is it the SOLE reason? Very doubtful.
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posted November 18, 2009 12:08 PM |
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This is not a debate about gun control. There are other threads on that specific issue. It's also an endless debate similar to the religion debates. It goes on forever.
But, be careful when you start throwing around statistics. Things are not always as they appear on the surface. I've been studying that issue for several years now, and done so in the most unbias way I can. And, well, things are not always as they appear on the surface.
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posted November 18, 2009 12:16 PM |
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Sorry, I can't help myself.
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Its homicide. Basically the idea are if 2 people with guns start fighting they will shot and kill each other.
The other is that you got drug wars AND lots of poverty. Along with heavy social differences.
So basically, the guns is what pushes +10 to +50.
Another perfect example of someone who has absoultely NO idea what they are talking about.
Del, seriously, can you back up what you said?
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posted November 18, 2009 01:03 PM |
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Well, I brought that up, because some people mocked about how the US and their people are seen in the world, bloodthirsty thugs was mentioned, and so on - and I simply brought up a statistics to show, YES, the US are, for a supposedly civilized country of the first world a very VIOLENT country. You ARE a comparably violent country - just watch your TV shows.
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posted November 18, 2009 01:09 PM |
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Binabik: I got no idea of what I am talking about, only a minor clue which is clueless.
The only thing I do claim is that guns is what changes what would have resulted in a trip to the hospital and the dentist, to a trip to the morgue.
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posted November 18, 2009 02:06 PM |
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I dont watch TV and I am not a mindless violent
but I am in USA
No one gave me a choice where i could live but I do have a choice to be peaceful in community and the world. I choose not to label YOU or anyone because of some bad apple. But in my opinion the self righteous finger pointing snobs are bad apples no matter what country they come from, whatever skin color.. If someone points in my direction and say I am somehow responsible for the decisions I am incapable to influence then I dont want to ever have anything nice to say, about them but I certainly will not judge their neighbors based on what some bigot rotten apple said or did.
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with all due respect, you actually(????) go against the words that oppose the mentality that where someone was born or where they live makes them who they are as a person in their mind, morality, and inside themselves?
.... interesting
and my saying this is not about others on me, its about anyone with that mentality. I dont like people saying "I dont know him but he is not one of enter group here so he is a bad person" Even if they have 99.9% the same background and genetics that I have.
And I should appologize perhaps about blowing off the handle but nearly everytime Xerox talks of other countries it about who is right wrong, inferior, or better. It is not a educated conversation with statistics methods, political comparison, etc etc... when someone goes to the level of judging personal character and labeling every individual of said society.
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posted November 19, 2009 05:44 PM |
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Celfious dude, that was about STATISTICS, you hardly make a difference amongst the millions. Chill out.
When people say "Americans are X, Y and Z" they refer to statistical overview, the "trend", not an individual like you.
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I would have no problem with classes of all Arabs learning the same things. As long as they were not also being taught jhad, suicdie bombing, hatred for American, hatred for all religions but Islam, ect.
In America everyon has the right to keep and bear [carry] arms. It is good for children to learn how to handle a gun. I certainly taught my children how to shoot and handle a weapon safely.
That's why you (USA) make such a big fuss over North Korea nuclear tests and Iran's planned nuclear reactor, while you do several orders of magnitude more tests?
Also "learning the same things" means "behaving like USA". Of course if Arabs were the same as USA you would have no problem. That's like saying "I have no problem with others as long as they have the same opinion".
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posted November 19, 2009 11:47 PM |
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In America everyon has the right to keep and bear [carry] arms. It is good for children to learn how to handle a gun. I certainly taught my children how to shoot and handle a weapon safely.
And this is one of the biggest problems in the US -.-
Crime rates are very high there and I think allowing everybody to go out and buy a gun and shoot everybody they want easily is a strong reason for this. If people wouldnt get their hands on a gun just like that, then im pretty damn sure the crime rates for decrease a lot in the following years to come.
I thought parents were supposed teach their children peace and to not use violence unless it was absolutly nesecessary.
Atleast when I was in kindergarten and pre-school ("Lekis/Fritids"), using violence was strightly forbidden.
But then the US is a very different country from my own in these stuff. We value peace very much (Crime rates are very high here too but its mostly assault and rape) and I will accept that US and the Nordic countries (except Finland) are very different.
If I move to another country it would either be Norway or have some summer house on some island in Greece when I get rich from my books and crazy political opinions 
TheGootch; Yes, I wanted to be a journalist so I see this as a training ground but I dont know if you get paid very well though and since computers are taking over the entire society (or so me, Xeroxdramus, predicts) - I will probably work with IT instead
Celfious; Dont freak out. I play a role here. Maybe I should become an actor instead. Child soldiers might sound a bit strong but it makes the headline more dramatic and many of these will probably join the real marines and then they might kill people.
Children are very easy to brainwash and im very worried that these children dont get to form their own opinion in matters such as discipline, religion and warfare (for instance, the Middle-East problems).
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posted November 19, 2009 11:57 PM |
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Teaching children about firearms does not equal teaching them to do violence Xerox. Don't judge so quickly.
Being taught (in the right way) how to handle firearms teaches you to have respect for them.
It's better for a kid to learn about firearms from their parents than finding out on their own. Experimenting with firearms isn't really a good thing.
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Dont freak out. I play a role here.
Oh, so these aren't your actual opinions?
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