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posted November 20, 2009 12:02 AM |
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But why would I CHILD need to know about learning how to use firearms? Nobody should need to wear a gun while shopping at the Supermarket or at IKEA (sorry, I just had too).
But this "Little Marines School" seems much more serious then some scouts. I have been a Scout myself and we tested Theme Parks in France and Schweiz and baked cake etc.
Im concenerned that this children do not get to have their own opinion. Free will. That they are influenced by these old marines.
I can only imagine what would stand in Aftonbladet if it was discovered that a school here teached out how to use guns.
Imagine this in Aftonbladet lol;
"Skola i Närke tränar MÖRDARSOLDATER - nu rasar Aftonbladets expert."
("School in Närke trains murder-soldiers - now Aftonbladets expert goes berserk")
edit: Many of my opinions are very exaggerated. I hope people seriously dont believe that I think everybody in the US are barbaric fanatic warmongers that want to nuke the Muslim world to dust 
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posted November 20, 2009 12:06 AM |
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Crime rates are very high there and I think allowing everybody to go out and buy a gun and shoot everybody they want easily is a strong reason for this. If people wouldnt get their hands on a gun just like that, then im ]b]pretty damn sure the crime rates for decrease a lot in the following years to come.
There is no evidence for what you are saying. If anything the evidence shows just the opposite, that increased gun ownership DECREASES crime, not increases it.
Yes, the murder rate in the US is high, but if you want to try to figure out why, then look somewhere else besides the availability of guns. Gun ownership in the US is increasing, but crime (almost all types of crime) is decreasing. In much of the rest of the world the opposite is true.
The biggest problem with constantly blaming the availability of guns for everything is that it draws focus away from what REALLY causes crime. People want to find a reason to explain things and they look for the easiest thing to blame. But just because it's easy to point the finger at something doesn't mean it's at fault. The answers to problems in society are far more complex than that.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:12 AM |
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Cuz they might come in contact with it later in their life.
Imagine a kid finding a rifle, if he has never learned about firearms, there can be a certain mysterious and attractive atmosphere around weapons. I'm sure you've drawn pictures of weapons when you were younger (I still do)
Anyway, the kid might get curious and start exploring it. And suddenly bang, he shoots half his jaw off.
Or, in another scenario, he might've been taught about firearms. There is no mysterious atmosphere, he knows how it works, and to have respect for it. Much less risk for an accident right?
I know you'll probably whip out some "OMG but then the kid will have zeh skills to rob banks and stuff FFS" but is it really that likely?
Being taught basic stuff about firearms can't really be a bad thing.
And honestly, people who shoot eachother don't do it just cuz there's guns available. If I wanted to I could just go and buy a gun off the street, if you want a gun in Sweden, you can get it.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:12 AM |
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I blame capitalism.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:19 AM |
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I hope people seriously dont believe that I think everybody in the US are barbaric fanatic warmongers that want to nuke the Muslim world to dust
That sounds very much like you to me.
See, I don't know you in real life. I can only form an opinion of you based on your posts.
I won't try to search for some hidden meaning behind your posts or anything, I'll just judge you based on your actions.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:21 AM |
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Switzerland is more gun-savvy than the U.S., in fact they are required by law to have a firearm, and their violent crime is lower than the EU average, and substantially lower than England, where guns are banned entirely.
I suppose it's obvious that having access to guns means that crimes with guns are more possible (though making them illegal is hardly a pressing concern for criminals, who by definition, don't listen to the law). But I think the social divides, wealth disparity, and high-strung culture is more to blame for the violence in the U.S. than simple gun laws. Illegal drugs also inevitably tie in with violence; the U.S. policy on drugs is very virulent, ergo in the struggle for illegal drug circulation, there is violence, and since the U.S. is the most readily available target for the South American drug lords, it takes the brunt of the blow. I think simply legalizing drugs, all drugs, would save a lot of trouble, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:21 AM |
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Lol we are learning about capitalism in school now and they just said that a capitalist uses his money to invest in stuff (which sounds pretty good as long as they dont invest to much).
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What? I dont understand how this matters.
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Imagine a kid finding a rifle, if he has never learned about firearms, there can be a certain myserious and attractive atmosphere around weapons.
Has this ever happened?
Children should learn to not use guns and violence. Diplomatic solutions are the best. Im pretty sure most sane people are capable of communicating.
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Or, in another scenario, he might've been taught about firearms. There is no mysterious atmosphere, he knows how it works, and to have respect for it. Much less risk for an accident right?
But if you say to kid like "This is how you use a gun. A gun is used to kill and damage people. You just pull the trigger and bam. Guns are cool and need to be respected."
This will basically encourage a child to use a gun. You can learn how to "respect" a firearm and give it to the police or something if you find one without learning how to kill people with it.
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And honstely, people who shoot eachother don't do it just cuz there's guns available. If I wanted to I could go just buy a gun off the street, if you want a gun in Sweden, you can get it.
If this was more restricted then there wouldnt be as many successful murders.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:30 AM |
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Switzerland is more gun-savvy than the U.S., in fact they are required by law to have a firearm, and their violent crime is lower than the EU average
I've heard this argument about Switzerland for years. I've done lots of reaearch on this issue over many years, and I try to stay away from bias from EITHER side of the issue. A partial truth sometimes loses it's meaning.
The thing is about Switzerland is that they have their weapons which is mandated. BUT the ammunition is distributed in sealed packages. If anyone ever used any of that ammunition in a crime, they could not conceal the fact that some of their amunition was used. Yes, they could still commit a crime with the weapon, but it would very difficult to get by with it.
(not blaming BB this, because this thing about Switzerland is so widely circulated)
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posted November 20, 2009 12:32 AM |
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Then... use sealed ammunition?
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posted November 20, 2009 12:34 AM |
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You wantz to keel baby sealz?
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posted November 20, 2009 12:35 AM |
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What? I dont understand how this matters.
Child investigates weapon, weapon go boom, head go gore.
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Children should learn to not use guns and violence. Diplomatic solutions are the best. Im pretty sure most sane people are capable of communicating.
I agree.
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But if you say to kid like "This is how you use a gun. A gun is used to kill and damage people. You just pull the trigger and bam. Guns are cool and need to be respected."
This will basically encourage a child to use a gun. You can learn how to "respect" a firearm and give it to the police or something if you find one without learning how to kill people with it.
Have I said something differently? Teaching a child about firearms does not have to involve teaching him/her to harm people.
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If this was more restricted then there wouldnt be as many successful murders.
"This is how you use a banana. A banana is used to kill and damage people. You just peel off the skin and bam. Bananas are cool and need to be respected."
The next day a kid is found brutally killed with a banana through his eye.
I bet murderers will find other ways to kill. Guns do not create the intent to hurt people. They are a tool to get the job done.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:36 AM |
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Torturing baby seals to death is naturally high on my list for things to do.
But besides that, seriously, why not use similar practices? I'm assuming by sealed packages you mean that the ammunition is signatured, so that it makes it much easier to trace it to it's source?
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posted November 20, 2009 12:40 AM |
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Okay I agree with you then.
But dont blame me if all the murders increase now 
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posted November 20, 2009 12:41 AM |
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Okay I agree with you then.
What? You can't stop. That's against the OSM rules.
We're supposed to argue til we both slowly lose interest or we begin insulting each other and get the thread locked.
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posted November 20, 2009 12:44 AM |
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We're not the usual OSM crowd. We shine above the rest in glory.
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posted November 20, 2009 03:24 AM |
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i could say a lot of things wrong the US too just like almost any other country I know about. Your opinions are pretty exaggerated.
You disgust me, do you even know or believe the speculation you say? It is not surprising you have the audacity to say hitler would be some kind of hero to us if he won.
You are sick, and everytime I have skimmed your posts in threads about countries you are preaching about right and wrong from some ignorant hilltop.
You come judge whats right and wrong to much for my to just sit and hear you point in my direction.
it is not just this thread with the "statistics" the death, I am as calm as I want to be. Go stand up for some hitler praising wacko self ordained moral judge kids but i am not hearing someone telling me i need to chill. I could say "i have opinions about other countries and bla bla bla" But I accept that there are cultural differences. I hate bigotry and this kid is so borderline.
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posted November 20, 2009 03:31 AM |
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I wasn't talking about xerox...
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posted November 20, 2009 03:47 AM |
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posted November 20, 2009 04:01 AM |
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Day 5, Young Marines: Nuclear Weapons
I bet murderers will find other ways to kill. Nuclear Weapons do not create the intent to hurt people. They are a tool to get the job done.
Besides, if you outlaw nukes, only outlaws have nukes 
I'm only stirring you guys
But seriously
Those who find nothing wrong with this picture obviously live in a very different reality to me.
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posted November 20, 2009 05:16 AM |
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I guess we live in different realities then. As I said before, I'd prefer that kids not be subjected to some of the military aspects.
But I'll put it this way, and quite seriously. (at the risk of changing the subject to another issue where nobody will agree) I think violence in video games and movies is more likely to cause kids to grow up to use violence than the Young Marine program.
edit: and could someone shrink all those pictures already?
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