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posted December 03, 2011 08:08 AM |
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Yeah I never got the 'If you do porn you can't have certain jobs' thing either. Unless it is the ILLEGAL type of porn..each their own.
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posted December 03, 2011 05:31 PM |
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I don't see a problem with firing someone from a teaching job because of standards of morality that they don't meet that the community deems necessary for them to hold if they are to teach their children. I think most parents would not be comfortable with a porn star teaching their kids.
In the linked case in question the man was making porn movies while teaching (at least in the incident where the school fired him a year ago.) If the man had made porn 10 years but had changed his lifestyle since then the school and parents would likely find it easier to trust him with their children.
We see cases of sports commentators being fired because of some comment they made they somebody decided was racist (even though it may not have been intended as such.) There are all sorts of private companies that will fire you for stuff you do off the job because the behavior could reflect negatively on the company since you are employed with them.
People need to realize that there are present and future consequences for the things they do. Sometimes those consequences may be fair, and sometimes not.
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posted December 03, 2011 05:36 PM |
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I don't understand why it would make people uncomfortable just because he was making some porn???
i'm sure he wasn't bragging about it
in the end, that's just another job
why do people need to care about other people's lives?
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posted December 03, 2011 07:14 PM |
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of course it depends on what you define as moral. if someone is hurt by what you do, for the only reason that it goes against his beliefs, is it immoral?
and if the teacher is gay?
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posted December 03, 2011 09:53 PM |
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I don't understand what moral has to do with porn. I'm sure they would have viewed a soldier who killed people and then became a teacher as a HERO. Is that more moral than just filming sex?
why would his sexuality matter? if anything, it would make the kids more tolerant!
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posted December 03, 2011 09:59 PM |
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of course it depends on what you define as moral. if someone is hurt by what you do, for the only reason that it goes against his beliefs, is it immoral?
I was talking not about what is actually moral or immoral but what the majority of the particular community perceives to be moral or immoral. It could be that that a particular community in Sweden may not have a problem with a teacher who is also making porn. In Texas that ain't going to fly.
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I don't understand why it would make people uncomfortable just because he was making some porn???
i'm sure he wasn't bragging about it
in the end, that's just another job
why do people need to care about other people's lives?
I would disagree with porn being "just another job." But the question is "how does the community that has a porn star that wants to teach kids view porn?" People care about other people's lives a great deal when they are trusting their children to the person. Teachers are authority figures and should expect to be held somewhat accountable for their "off the job behavior." They are role models, like it or not. Also, most teachers don't confine themselves solely to the academic subject they are supposed to be teaching.
A child spends more waking time with teachers than with his parents. A porn star is basically a prostitute that wants everyone to see his/her sexual acts and gets paid according to how many people watch them (more popular porn stars draw the bigger payoffs.) I imagine most parents don't want their children to view sex so casually and don't want their kids taught that other people are not just sex objects, which is what porn teaches.
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posted December 04, 2011 07:26 AM |
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Well with that argument I guess we can't have a preacher as a teacher, or anybody who used to be in the military, or .. well you get the point.
Because the preacher might force their view on religion on a child, can't have that. They just can't help themselves, you know.
Or somebody who was in the military, might try to teach the children discipline and respect..while telling them killing is good..heaven forbid!
My point..in case anybody missed it, is that just because somebody has a stance or view point that is not yours does not mean they are going to force it on the children, or even discuss it.
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posted December 04, 2011 02:42 PM |
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Well with that argument I guess we can't have a preacher as a teacher, or anybody who used to be in the military, or .. well you get the point.
Because the preacher might force their view on religion on a child, can't have that. They just can't help themselves, you know.
Or somebody who was in the military, might try to teach the children discipline and respect..while telling them killing is good..heaven forbid!
My point..in case anybody missed it, is that just because somebody has a stance or view point that is not yours does not mean they are going to force it on the children, or even discuss it.
Please QP yourself 
It is ironic we have both of what you mention here.
We have mandotary religion lessons in through all primary, middle and high school, which is not a religion lesson but an Islam lesson and "teaches" how all the other religions are stupid, how Evolution is your ticket to burning hell, how Darwin was a brain-sick man, making us learn all the Arabic prayers by heart, etc.
We also have Civil Protection lessons given by commander officers coming to class with their uniforms and teaching us how we shouldn't doubt to kill our enemies and how we owe our "freedom" to our army.
I would prefer a man who has made porn and left it to teach my kid, without doubt, rather than my kid to have these lessons.
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posted December 04, 2011 04:02 PM |
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They are role models, like it or not.
lol  it actually looks like they are less and less respected. I don't expect many kids here to take their teachers as models, unless they are really young (the kids)
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posted December 04, 2011 04:07 PM |
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Well with that argument I guess we can't have a preacher as a teacher, or anybody who used to be in the military, or .. well you get the point.
Because the preacher might force their view on religion on a child, can't have that. They just can't help themselves, you know.
Or somebody who was in the military, might try to teach the children discipline and respect..while telling them killing is good..heaven forbid!
My point..in case anybody missed it, is that just because somebody has a stance or view point that is not yours does not mean they are going to force it on the children, or even discuss it.
I don't think most people think being a soldier who risks his life to defend others is morally equivalent to being a porn star. I don't think most people think believing in God is morally equivalent to being a porn star. I'd wager more people are comfortable with leaving their child with a person who served honorably as a soldier or with a person who believes in God than with a porn star.
Like I said, there may be communities that don't view porn as immoral and that would have no problem with a porn star teaching their child. Some may not even have a problem with a porn star having sex with their child. But most would. Whenever a person is in charge of children and does things the community thinks could pose a risk to the children there are going to be waves.
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posted December 04, 2011 04:35 PM |
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Looking back at the post-WW2 era, it is my firm opinion that American porn stars did significantly more for America, the world and myself than American soldiers did, and that porno business is far more ethical than the military one.
If I had to pick a teacher for my child, the choice being between an army officer, a catholic priest and Ron Jeremy, it'd hardly be a choice at all.
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posted December 04, 2011 04:35 PM |
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Personally, I think a strongly religious teacher is a much greater threat to the children's education and morals than a porn star.
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posted December 04, 2011 04:36 PM |
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But what if it's a strongly religious porn star?
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posted December 04, 2011 05:04 PM |
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sounds awesome
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The problem is that only Elodin has kids here, among the last anti-his-args posters. Things will change when you will face reality and none of you will be using or exposing his kids just for promoting the I-don't-care, I-am-over-that. There is the official side, where a preacher or a priest cannot be school teacher because of his biased views. And the non official, where none of any attentive parents will ever let their kid near some professional ****er, simply because they have nothing to learn from him which can determinate their fate in a positive way. And this is the role of a teacher, unless we invent a new.
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posted December 04, 2011 05:35 PM |
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they have nothing to learn from him which can determinate their fate in a positive way
What makes you sure of that?
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posted December 04, 2011 05:43 PM |
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Because the job you choose is the witness of your personal history and life experiences.
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posted December 04, 2011 06:07 PM |
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they have nothing to learn from him which can determinate their fate in a positive way
Because the job you choose is the witness of your personal history and life experiences.
So what you basicly say is a person's making porn confirms that he/she has nothing to teach that can determine other's fate in a positive way. Can you explain why "this job" confirms such a thing? What's about this job for you that makes you think its employees cannot have any knowledge to affect someone's fate positively?
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posted December 04, 2011 06:11 PM |
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does that mean my friend shouldn't have children? (not that she was a porn star, she didn't go that far)
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posted December 04, 2011 06:17 PM |
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Baklava is pushing it to extreme, saying that he would choose between priest, military and porn actor the actor. Fortunately we don't have to make such choices for our kids. There is more than one school around.
Teacher is a life conviction more than a job. It requires long years of practice and experience with pupils, kids, students. A lot of patience too, and desire of sharing. Most often, it is payed a misery. All this to ensure you can practice it well and legate something valuable to the others.
@Fauch: why?
I don't care and certainly not criticize the porn actor job. It is about him becoming a teacher. Nothing to do with his private choices, have kids, being polygamous, gay or whatever.
@Nocturnal: if getting an erection is something you feel the need to share with others, then there are serious issues to address. Because this is porn job.
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