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posted December 05, 2011 08:06 AM |
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I'd like to ask the question what's wrong with being a porn "star"?
It's obviously not illegal (if it was we wouldn't be talking).
It's a "grown-up" activity. Ok, that's selling of booze as well. So someone running a dive or having worked as a bar-maid while being on college, shouldn't become a teacher either?
What exactly is "deviant morals" here?
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posted December 05, 2011 08:19 AM |
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If there is nothing wrong with porn, why then almost all men hide the porn content from their family? I am curious of your answer.
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posted December 05, 2011 10:30 AM |
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Because they are taught to do so, its as simple as that. Its not that different from wearing new cloths in the "uncommon color".
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posted December 05, 2011 11:01 AM |
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If there is nothing wrong with porn, why then almost all men hide the porn content from their family? I am curious of your answer.
If there's nothing wrong with earning money, why then anyone hides their earnings?
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Salamandre
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posted December 05, 2011 11:49 AM |
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posted December 05, 2011 11:51 AM |
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Salamandre
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posted December 05, 2011 11:54 AM |
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Oh come on, almost no one is hiding earnings from their family while almost everyone thinks it is wrong if family catches him watching porn.
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posted December 05, 2011 12:13 PM |
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Do you know the earnings of your family (parents)? If not, how come? Would they tell you everything about their financial situation? How would you know?
Do single earners tell the truth about their earnings? How would you know?
In any case - I do not see the point you are making. People are GENERALLY not keen on discussing their sexuality or announcing it openly. However, that's not true for all of them. There is also the law that regulates it. You cannot decide majority morals about these kinds of things, then we are back in the MA again.
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posted December 05, 2011 04:01 PM |
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So someone running a dive or having worked as a bar-maid while being on college, shouldn't become a teacher either?
Funny you should mention that.
(EDIT: For those who don't know, Hooters is an American restaurant chain which is "famous" for the fact that its attractive waitresses wear skimpy outfits, usually short orange shorts and tight-fitting white tops.)
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posted December 05, 2011 04:23 PM |
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Strangely enough, the more things are considered "morally doubtful", the more successful they are in terms of business categories.
The sad truth is, the louder people are in their protests against "immorality", the greater the probability they are good, albeit somewhat stealthy customers of the "immoral buisness" themselves.
I mean, seriously, considering the easy availability of porn via the internet and the somewhat twisted reality a lot of porn paints (comparable with the twisted reality in regular productions of the dream factories), sont you think it's an ASSET, when there is a teacher teaching adolescents who can actually and with the authority of first-hand experience answer all questions in this regard to pinpoint the line between truth and fiction??
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posted December 05, 2011 04:57 PM |
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JJ, I hear the wind around. If I ask why we are in big trouble if fammily finds us watching porn, you give me another example where, in your world perphaps, we lie to those we love, therefore is still wrong. Then of course, not having any other argument, again, in your world perhaps, you suppose that the ones criticizing porn are the ones which use it the most. if lying to our employee, to our family, to our kids is still not wrong for you guys, then live with.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 05, 2011 05:21 PM |
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DelDiablo already gave the answer to you - you just chose to ignore it.
My example was meant to show that a certain stealthiness (which is different from lying) is not limited to questions of sexual behaviour.
The actual discrepancy between prevalent moral regulations and actual behaviour of many people against it, leading to stealthiness (doing the immoral clandestinely), isn't indicative of the individual being "wrong", but the moral regulation.
Otherwise they wouldn't be a business success, since not many would actually fall for it.
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posted December 05, 2011 05:32 PM |
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The reason people hide their porn from their kids and parents is the same why they hide their genetalia from them.
If we are talking about your spouse, you would hide the posters of a celebrity you like for example from him/her, which is only about jelousy, for if your spouse sees your porns she/he will think you don't get pleasure from your sex as a couple any more, or you desire other people. Also there are many couples that have overcome this kind of jelousy and watch porn together. I guess that makes the whole family "devious.
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posted December 05, 2011 05:39 PM |
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no, I would just marry that celebrity 
I might even have some good chances to succeed, since most men wouldn't even try XD
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posted December 05, 2011 06:20 PM |
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Why would a porn star has to view people as just sex object? He is recorded while having sex and being paid for that. Where's the part in that about his view of people or his deviant morals. You're just making assumptions about a person who doesn't match your idea of morality. And "deviant"? A little dramatic, are we?
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Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society.
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One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards.
Getting paid to be filmed while having sex with strangers is not the norm. It is deviant. A porn star views sex rather more casually than the general population or he would not be willing to do what he does. Most parents don't want their children to have such a low view of sex and would be uncomfortable with leaving them under the supervision of a porn star.
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The possibility of his being a very nice person, a kind and caring person, a good teacher, a great son, a smart person, all of them are immediately gone when you learned he was a porn star.
I did not say porn stars can't have some good qualities. But the bad qualities make them unsuitable for being teachers of children.
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posted December 05, 2011 07:03 PM |
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But the bad qualities make them unsuitable for being teachers of children.
That was the same arguement in Nazi Germany. And what was the result of this?
Yeah...
Just note that EVERYONE has bad qualities that make them unsuitable for things. But they do otherwise civilisation, society won't work.
Pornstars can't be good teachers because they did 'commonly less tolerated' jobs? And?
Priests and clerics do the same since the beginning of mankind's history...
Pedophiles as priests\clerics are OK just because they followers of Christ? 'Cause that's how the christianity works in the last few decades.
No comment and won't discuss this further. It's pointless.
This pornstar-not-be-a-teacher thing is another proof of the humans 'idiotism'(sorry for this but this is the less offensive form so far to describe humanity's mental state in the last ~40 years...) in great scales...
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posted December 05, 2011 07:34 PM |
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Oh, El, you are falling for the dream factory:
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Getting paid to be filmed while having sex with strangers is not the norm. It is deviant. A porn star views sex rather more casually than the general population or he would not be willing to do what he does. Most parents don't want their children to have such a low view of sex and would be uncomfortable with leaving them under the supervision of a porn star.
You could just as well say that a FILM star views emotions, death, murder and everything else more casually then the general population. In your next sentence you use the word LOW, so I might substitute casual as well with LOW.
A porn star is ACTING. He is performing some sort of sex - but in a way someone else is telling him to do, in a way that is appealing to a certain kind of specifically targeted audience.
A talent of a male porn star is the ability to perform under any or all circumstances. It has nothing to do with how the sad person may actually think about REAL sex, that is, VOLUNTARY, WILLING sex with a beloved person.
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I did not say porn stars can't have some good qualities. But the bad qualities make them unsuitable for being teachers of children.
And here you'd have to name those qualities. Because I would contradict and say the opposite.
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posted December 05, 2011 07:42 PM |
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JJ, Del diablo did not give any acceptable answer. Because we are taught so? Nonsense. I could fill this post until HC gets overloaded on why your wife will lose any respect for you if she caught you on porn. Not worth the time spent.
There is nothing to do with a job. Pornography is a product predominantly made by men, marketed by men, and consumed by a massive male majority. Pornography consists of the same repetitive sexual acts, it needs some form of emotional content to succeed commercially. It's that which staves off the boredom. Now, if pornography went towards emotion that was about mutuality, respect and egalitarian relationships, then men wouldn't buy it, because they're using porn to avoid those aspects of sexuality. So the route to maximise market share involves including emotions that men are more willing to accept in a commercial sex relationship – anger, aggression and domination.
Is your wife really wanting to know that you, her husband, is using porn? If her husband is masturbating to images of women being degraded, can you really believe it when he says, 'Oh, I don't think of you that way?'. Now that would be naive.
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posted December 05, 2011 07:49 PM |
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Your analysis is superficial and wrong.
To give you a hint: if people enjoy watching action movies, murder movies and so on - will this make their famiulies suspect that they are in danger of being murdered?
Also it has nothing to do with the dilemma
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posted December 05, 2011 07:59 PM |
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Difficult to compare simulated murders where no one gets touched with a woman stiffed by all possible holes, violently dragged between rooms, and forced to accept for real the most promiscuous male phantasms. That's how I see it, sorry.
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