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posted December 05, 2011 08:06 PM |
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That's NOT the perspective of the viewer, and no one is forced in reality.
People watch, say boxing fights. People get hurt there. They whack each other FOR REAL, willingly.
Would you say an ex-boxer can't be a teacher? Adn the spectators would like to club everyone to bloody pulp?
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posted December 05, 2011 08:10 PM |
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Difficult to compare simulated murders where no one gets touched with a woman stiffed by all possible holes, violently dragged between rooms, and forced to accept for real the most promiscuous male phantasms. That's how I see it, sorry.
(underlining is my own)
As far as I know, pornography actresses are not forced to do anything. Like any job, being a porno actress is a choice.
Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you?
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posted December 05, 2011 08:58 PM |
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I see it this way:
Male: get engaged for a porn movie. Is asked: do whatever you want, she is there to please you, and viewers.
Woman: get engaged for a porn movie. Is asked: do whatever the male asks.
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posted December 05, 2011 09:06 PM |
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Why, you were at a porn movie set and saw for yourself how things are done?
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posted December 05, 2011 09:21 PM |
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Pedophiles as priests\clerics are OK just because they followers of Christ? 'Cause that's how the christianity works in the last few decades.
No comment and won't discuss this further. It's pointless.
This pornstar-not-be-a-teacher thing is another proof of the humans 'idiotism'(sorry for this but this is the less offensive form so far to describe humanity's mental state in the last ~40 years...) in great scales...
No, I'm not an idiot for believing that porn stars have no business teaching children. Most parents would agree with me on that issue for reasons I have already stated.
Who told you that Christianity says pedophilia is ok for priests/clerics? Such a person was speaking out of either pure ignorance of the matter or pure hatred of Christianity that motivated them to tell you lies.
The Bible clearly states that all sex outside marriage is sin. The only legitimate sex according to the Bible is between a man and his wife. The Bible also clearly says God sees what is done to the defenseless and innocent and that there will be an accounting on the day of judgement. People who think they have gotten away with molesting children are in for a rather "rude" awakening."
Anyways if you wish to discuss Christianity and what it approves of or does not approve of please do so in a different thread so this one is not derailed.
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posted December 05, 2011 09:21 PM |
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As far as I know, pornography actresses are not forced to do anything. Like any job, being a porno actress is a choice.
Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you?
well, you have to be cautious with who you work.
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posted December 05, 2011 09:35 PM |
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The sad truth is, the louder people are in their protests against "immorality", the greater the probability they are good, albeit somewhat stealthy customers of the "immoral buisness" themselves.
Your statement is absurd, not a "sad truth." Ardent protest of something is not an indication that a person is involved in what he is protesting against.
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posted December 05, 2011 09:46 PM |
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The sad truth is, the louder people are in their protests against "immorality", the greater the probability they are good, albeit somewhat stealthy customers of the "immoral buisness" themselves.
Your statement is absurd, not a "sad truth." Ardent protest of something is not an indication that a person is involved in what he is protesting against.
Are we in the generalization business again? I ddidn't say, ardent protest of SOMETHING was an indication that the person was involved in what he was protesting against; I said ardent protest against "IMMORALITY" would raise the probability they would be customers of the immoral business themselves.
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posted December 05, 2011 09:57 PM |
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The sad truth is, the louder people are in their protests against "immorality", the greater the probability they are good, albeit somewhat stealthy customers of the "immoral buisness" themselves.
Your statement is absurd, not a "sad truth." Ardent protest of something is not an indication that a person is involved in what he is protesting against.
Are we in the generalization business again? I ddidn't say, ardent protest of SOMETHING was an indication that the person was involved in what he was protesting against; I said ardent protest against "IMMORALITY" would raise the probability they would be customers of the immoral business themselves.
And your statement is quite ludicrous.
The OWS are loud voices condemning the "immorality" of earning "too much" money. Your statement would mean they are guilty of earning too much money themselves.
Code Pink and similar organizations condemn the "immorality" of war. According to your statement they are secretly soldiers of fortune.
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posted December 05, 2011 10:38 PM |
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That's a bit unlucky examples:
In case of organizations you'd have to check ´whether the people toting an opinion arent't paid to do so. In case it's about the immorality of money probability is high, that a randomly picked protester would immediately stop protesting with a chance to actually get real money (faking).
War is a pretty different business. But I suppose you DO and DID know that those countries who speak most about peace or the aggressions of others and their immorality have been those with the most eager trigger finger...
It is also true, that there ARE honest protesters.
Apart from that I might have been overstating. But there is a lot of bigottery where moral is concerned, and it tends to stick out.
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posted December 05, 2011 11:18 PM |
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Now Elodin, if that's your attitude, I'm answering the same way:
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Who told you that Christianity says pedophilia is ok for priests/clerics? Such a person was speaking out of either pure ignorance of the matter or pure hatred of Christianity that motivated them to tell you lies.
(Numbers 31: 17-18) "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves
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The only legitimate sex according to the Bible is between a man and his wife.
And maybe with your own father?
(Genesis 19: 30-38) "Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father." That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today."
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The Bible also clearly says God sees what is done to the defenseless and innocent and that there will be an accounting on the day of judgement.
Killing children as a burnt offering:
(Judges 11: 30-40) "And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands. And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back. And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year."
And please do not put forward some off-topic thing and then say "let's do not drail the tread with off-topic things" to avoid answers that's to come.
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posted December 05, 2011 11:25 PM |
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Guys, you can start a new thread if you want to have an unrelated bible discussion. Please keep it on topic.
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posted December 06, 2011 12:38 AM |
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Why, you were at a porn movie set and saw for yourself how things are done?
Well, not yet, but I am not blind. If you care about several ex porn stars testimonies, you can have a read here.
Good luck to find a single link from an ex woman porn stars which does not describe it as a tragedy.
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posted December 06, 2011 12:43 AM |
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The levels of misunderstanding how the pornographic industry functions are through the roof in this thread.
Sal... seriously?
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Male: get engaged for a porn movie. Is asked: do whatever you want, she is there to please you, and viewers.
Woman: get engaged for a porn movie. Is asked: do whatever the male asks.
Thinking this is true is equivalent to believing American wrestling is true. Or that action heroes think up and shout their witty one-liners by themselves, in the heat of the moment. I'm talking about mainstream pornographic production, of course. I'm sure there's all sorts of misuses in the underground market, but that's not the issue here.
Both the male and female actors are doing strictly what the director told them to, hardly any different than mainstream film-making, aside from the sexual aspect. That said, I can't imagine how movie-makers would've reacted 50 years ago if they saw the everyday levels of violence and nudity in today's mainstream movies.
And I can't say I understand why sexuality is regarded as so much worse than, for example, violence in the West when it comes to entertainment. Sure, violence raises your commie censorship alarms pretty quick, but sexuality's even worse. From what I've seen, you guys can't insert a pair of boobs for five seconds in a movie without leading to it being labeled 18+.
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posted December 06, 2011 12:46 AM |
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I can't testimony for them, but you can read the post above. Seems to me that most of youngsters here are very naive.
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posted December 06, 2011 12:59 AM |
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I've read the first 10.
The first chick says she was raped. If that was true, she would have a court case. "Forcing" yourself "anally" into someone is worth a prison sentence, and is a crime, on camera or not.
The second one got two STDs.
The third one, Jenna Jameson, one of the most famous porn stars in history, is talking about what a shame it is that a lot of girls are treated bad in the beginning, because "some of them have the potential to become major stars in the industry". It sure doesn't look like she's against pornography, or making porno movies. She's against people being snows.
Others are talking about stuff such as how bad they feel for being paid for sex (one mentioning how she doesn't like to uncover herself. Seriously? She joined the pornographic industry.), how their stepfather abused them when they were children, and how drugs and alcohol are part of the glamorous lifestyle and they don't like it (just like any other profession tied to entertainment which involves a lot of money).
I'm not quite sure what these things are meant to prove. Other than to make people who already hate porn go "Yep. I still hate porn."
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posted December 06, 2011 01:02 AM |
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I gave my opinion about. I believe is a tragedy. You say it isn't. Ex porn stars say it is. You read it as you want to read it. There is no reason to keep discussing if real testimonies can't even change your mind of at least invite to a reflection. We don't agree, the world is keeping living.
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That's, of course, true.
I was just saying you've quoted a faulty source that doesn't make any difference, and explained why.  And it's unfair to, after that, imply what a crappy person I am for not being touched even by "real testimonies".
Even the words "ex porn stars say it is" are misleading, because it's a minority of them, and the pornographic industry is growing and actors and actresses flock to it. It's similar to someone saying "actors are gay" and posting a photo of sir Ian McKellen on a gay pride parade.
I'm not idealizing the porn industry. I'm just not demonizing it either. It's pretty much an industry like any other. Satisfying a consumer need, with people who are a part of it having good and bad experiences.
But we've probably went a bit off topic now.
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posted December 06, 2011 08:54 AM |
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but why is it a tragedy? my friend who is a famous erotic model said that sometimes it is hard to bear what other people may think. and it was just nudity, no sex.
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posted December 06, 2011 10:02 AM |
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For the last few Dilemmas I've seen people attack one anothers opinions and beliefs  . The entire point of this thread is for people to openly present their own 'solution' to a problem I.E what they would do in the shoes of another. I see no reason why any attacks or justifications are needed to be made. 
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