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Salamandre
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posted December 06, 2011 01:48 PM |
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For the last few Dilemmas I've seen people attack one anothers opinions and beliefs  . The entire point of this thread is for people to openly present their own 'solution' to a problem I.E what they would do in the shoes of another. I see no reason why any attacks or justifications are needed to be made. 
You will see later, when you will grown, young moderator padawan.
If it was so simple, to give an opinion without defending it from own beliefs, then the forums would have 10% the size they have.
Not everyone is giving always the "nice" opinion as yours, just to make them selves look sympathetic in others eyes.
@EDIT: full quote because I already saw you deleting full posts. Just to make sure my post is not addressed to Corribus, if you delete again 
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Salamandre
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posted December 07, 2011 12:22 AM |
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I've read the first 10.
The first chick says she was raped. If that was true, she would have a court case. "Forcing" yourself "anally" into someone is worth a prison sentence, and is a crime, on camera or not.
I don't know, Bak, maybe you are right,but I can think of a situation:
Judge B. O'Problem:
-So, miss, what is your complaint?
Anita Moorehead:
- Your highness, I was hired by Doug Hole, famous action-movies producer, for 15 a**l lovely hugs and 27 blow-j*** with Mr.Frank Bonebreak, Jack Haas and Russell Sprout, all of them at once, but instead of fulfilling the expected task, they raped me. I demand justice!
Judge B. O'Problem:
-Uh, Oh...
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Mytical
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posted December 08, 2011 08:31 AM |
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So basically it all boils down to. "If they teach the things I like, that is awesome. If they do something I am against, they should hide and never be heard." Great, got it. I won't even bring up the oh so moral preachers that have been caught molesting children.
A job does not define a person. Somebody who is a police man can be as corrupt as can be, and somebody in porn can be one of the nicest people you ever met. Not a communist, but it doesn't matter to me what JOB the person has. Only their character. *shrugs*
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Salamandre
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posted December 08, 2011 09:39 AM |
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It does not define, but gives very precious hints about the character and behavior. There are many jobs which change your habits, morals and tolerance. Take for example a policeman. You will think twice before infringing the law if one is looking at you, even if he is not not at work, but will have no problem if there is only a scavenger on the other side. A tax controller will behave a lot less tolerant than anyone else, and will make your life a hell. A teacher has a lot more patience when working with kids than anyone else. Jobs forge the character as well. The character is about all traits or qualities of a person, and they are all in permanent metamorphose, due either to reflections or to repetitive tasks as well. There may be fortunate exceptions, where Jekyll becomes Mr.Hide after 6 PM but I don't believe much in.
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del_diablo
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posted December 08, 2011 04:29 PM |
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Current bad occupations:
-Police
-Government bureaucrat... because no competence at all, if they had a higher position, with exceptions
-Army officers are a good example. The reason is that they are officers and not soldiers. A solider is usually a person you should hire, but not a officer.
-Any high level management people is usually just pricks who let their ego grow too much when on a job which they are not accountable for. The same can apply to lower management too, but "generally a prick" applies to them instead.
-Security Guards can also fall into this list, if the enviroment was bad.
-Any people who are trusted with power, yet little accountability is usually in this list. Bankers, stock traders, commercial companies, marketing people, etc. Principals usually fall into the less questionable gradient about this, but they may be pricks because they actually lack ability.
Note: The jobs in question change between culture and country.
If the person in question does not come from one of these jobs, they are good to do. Porn actors and film actors is not a part of this list, so there is nothing questionable about them.
If anything, a job is nothing descriptive about a person without any background. I would say background is a lot more important.
For example people born into poverty and which was raised in poverty is quite questionable to hire because they are raised in a society which are harsher to them.
The same thing about people from war zones, or highly religious and fundamentalist areas.
A job is nothing defining before you are about to retire, but by that point its too late.
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Mytical
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posted December 09, 2011 09:10 PM |
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Salamandre, good in theory, not so much in life.
Policemen have been corrupt, so they can be just as bad as anybody. Any job, at all, can have the good and the bad in them. Some people think sex and nudity is natural, even healthy. Some people see that job as just that..a job. Something that puts food on the table and a roof over their head.
Its like saying somebody who worked in a coal mine is just a dirty person all around. After a day in the mines, they are going to be filthy, so they would have only filthy habits and be bums. People do things they do not like to do things like eat. That is why it is 'work' not play. If you define a person by what they do, then sadly it is not they who are lessened. Great people have come from some of the jobs a lot of people consider 'lesser' jobs. Terrible people have had what people consider the 'greater' jobs. Said it once, will say it again..what work you do does not define a person.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted December 09, 2011 09:16 PM |
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Terrible people have had what people consider the 'greater' jobs.
Let's hear it for all the lawyers out there!!!
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Mytical
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posted December 09, 2011 09:26 PM |
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Thinking along the lines of CEOs of fortune 500 companies and the like. Just because one has a good (paying) job, does not make one a good person. . Of course now, lawyers can make some really really good money so...
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted December 09, 2011 09:41 PM |
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Of course now, lawyers can make some really really good money so...
Wait, what? We can? Since when?!
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posted December 09, 2011 10:21 PM |
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Of course now, lawyers can make some really really good money so...
Wait, what? We can? Since when?!
The ones that get into politics anyway. Laws are written intentionally so that only lawyers can really make sense of them, even then they also often have double-meanings for everything. I suppose it is good in that it gives other Lawyers lots of work, but it's a pain for transparency and great for self serving politicians to write everything for themselves.
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Elodin
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posted December 10, 2011 04:18 AM |
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@Mytical
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So basically it all boils down to. "If they teach the things I like, that is awesome. If they do something I am against, they should hide and never be heard." Great, got it.
Ummm, I have not seen anyone saying that. But certain "professions" are not conducive to parents putting trust in the person to teach their children, porn star being one such "profession."
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I won't even bring up the oh so moral preachers that have been caught molesting children.
Good, because such "preachers" are hypocrites who are not following what they are preaching and are definitely not following the tenets of Christianity. Oh, the percentage of child molesters in the "ministry"is smaller than that in the general public. Child molesters tend to try to work in occupations that give them access to children so it is no surprise some would try to masquerade as ministers of the gospel of Christ.
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A job does not define a person. Somebody who is a police man can be as corrupt as can be, and somebody in porn can be one of the nicest people you ever met. Not a communist, but it doesn't matter to me what JOB the person has. Only their character. *shrugs*
"Porn star" is not "just a job." Porn stars prostitute a very intimate part of who they are for all to see (as long as they pay.) A porn star cheapens sex and belittles meaningful relationships. While a porn star can have good qualities I could not describe a porn star as a person of good character.
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Policemen have been corrupt, so they can be just as bad as anybody.
Police have a job serving the public. Putting their lives on the line daily to defend innocent people and uphold the law. Sure, there are some bad apples in the bunch, but the profession of law enforcement is an honorable profession. It is surprising that you seem to find "porn star" to be as honorable a profession as law enforcement officer.
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Said it once, will say it again..what work you do does not define a person.
All forms of making a living are not equally honorable, beneficial to society, or respected by society. Porn star is on the lesser end of all three of those categories.
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posted December 10, 2011 09:30 AM |
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While a porn star can have good qualities I could not describe a porn star as a person of good character.
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All forms of making a living are not equally honorable...
Ah, character judgement and honorable professions. Yes, still in the Middke Ages. What about the "honorable" job of money-lending - done by Jews only, in certain times, because it wasn't thought honorable?
That would mean, the whole money buisiness is not honorable - and people working in those jobs are not persons of good character.
Our capitalist world is based on lending money - on DIShonorable professions - strangely enough, since you embrace capitalism, you would have to embrace them as well.
Weapon manufacturers and traders? Honorable profession? What about those lab rats working on new B and C weapons? Honorable professions?
Strangely enough it's the Christian religion that claims the importance of mind and soul over body, so you'd think that prostitution of the BODY would be a lesser evil than prostitution of mind and soul.
So shouldn't a job that would require from you to forget all Christian tenets of charity, mercy and compassion, prostituting mind and soul for the greater glory of capitalist cutthroat economics be WAY more dishonorable than one that involves prostituting just your body?
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Salamandre
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posted December 10, 2011 10:00 AM |
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Prostitution is the oldest ever job. But also the job against which the society views and judgment did not change much. As parent, you will certainly panic more if you find your kid is prostituting rather than being a banker, "jew lending money" or weapon maker.
Porn is prostitution. Is also about lying and simulating the most unique gift the nature (or else) gave us, the ability to love. Thinking that you can be a professional lier and that this does not affect in anyway your spiritual integrity is theory only. The society (the majority of us) is thinking a teacher must be upright and honest. In most of countries, someone who was in jail cannot become a teacher, this private information being required when applying for the job. The degree of the crime does not matter, it is just a required standard.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 10, 2011 10:13 AM |
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The last one in a considerable row of posts that fail to make a point - you are just touting the actual "list of moral failures", without even the attempt to try and explain them. And you continue to demonstrate a certain ignorance about the actual facts.
Prostitution hasn't been so dishonorable over time, on the contrary.
In ancient times, in polytheistic societies, there has been temple prostitution which wasn't frowned upon, on the contrary. It was honorable service of the goddess.
THE BIBLE (OT) makes a difference between temple prostitution (which is considered bad (for obvious reasons) and not allowed) and prostitution for money, which not only was allowed, but even accepted - how, for example, would a widowed man have sex, otherwise?
In fact, prostitution wasn't seen so bad even in the Middle Ages.
Only in the beginning modern times, in the time of beginning industrialization there was a turn to the worse, and when looking at the reasons, moral is just one of many (but I don't intend to make this a social history of the once honorable job of prostitution).
What did you say in one of your last posts? in the abortion thread? "You have to look at it from all possible angles."
Well, go ahead.
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Salamandre
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posted December 10, 2011 10:18 AM |
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It does not matter you or me think it is honorable or dishonorable, but if in practice you would find dramatic or no if your kids are prostituting. Then you have the real answer about what you really think, not just for the sake of arguing.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 10, 2011 11:19 AM |
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It does not matter you or me think it is honorable or dishonorable, but if in practice you would find dramatic or no if your kids are prostituting. Then you have the real answer about what you really think, not just for the sake of arguing.
I'd find it dramatic, but not because they would be prostituting their bodioes sexually. The only reason I would mind my kids being in that business is the fact it's "semi-legal", more or less underworld-controlled, dangerous in certain ways, not protected by work laws, and so on and so forth - but not because of moral reasons.
Let me edit this and add that I would mind, because it's currently a BAD job. As are a lot of others, police(wo)man among them, and I would mind my children becoming police(wo)men as well, because they would be in danger, underpaid, overworked and generally socially isolated, always having to take the blame for everything politicians screw up.
I'd also mind my children being in a couple of other "honorable" jobs, because I'd be concerned about their well-being one way or another.
However, I have no problems whatsoever with the moral part of the equation.
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Salamandre
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posted December 10, 2011 11:36 AM |
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Interesting, the most parents would first blame their selves for their kids choice. Like inadequate education, fail of values instill, which tends more for a moral approach of the problem.
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del_diablo
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posted December 10, 2011 01:15 PM |
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elodin:
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Policemen have been corrupt, so they can be just as bad as anybody.
Police have a job serving the public. Putting their lives on the line daily to defend innocent people and uphold the law. Sure, there are some bad apples in the bunch, but the profession of law enforcement is an honorable profession. It is surprising that you seem to find "porn star" to be as honorable a profession as law enforcement officer.
Blue code of Silence:
The Blue Code of Silence (also known as the "Blue Shield") is an unwritten rule among police officers in the United States not to report on another colleague's errors, misconducts or crimes. Other names associated with the Blue Code of Silence are the blue wall, curtain, veil, or cocoon. If questioned about an incident of misconduct involving another officer (e.g. during the course of an official inquiry), while following the Blue Code of Silence, the officer being questioned would claim ignorance of another officer's wrongdoing.
Come back when they have fixed the US police moral, because until then, police officers are one of the least honourable professions. They are basically the largest gang in America, with a few good apples.
If you want too see some, the bar is very low. Just search for "police brutality" on youtube, it has been there since the 1950s, but back in the day it was done against the minorities, and they didn't have a effective way of filming and spreading the incidents.
Honourable cops? Frank Serpico was one, they set him up, got him shot, and almost managed to kill him when he was hospitalized. Things are still like that today.
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baklava
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posted December 10, 2011 01:21 PM |
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Let me edit this and add that I would mind, because it's currently a BAD job. As are a lot of others, police(wo)man among them
That reminds me of a graffiti I once saw, that went something like "better to have a hooker daughter than a cop son".
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posted December 10, 2011 01:24 PM |
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All forms of making a living are not equally honorable, beneficial to society, or respected by society. Porn star is on the lesser end of all three of those categories.
seems so, but I don't think it deserves it. it isn't the most honourable activity, but it's also far from the worst. it would be more in the middle imo. not useful, but not really bad either, well depending on who you work with.
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What about the "honorable" job of money-lending - done by Jews only, in certain times, because it wasn't thought honorable?
That would mean, the whole money buisiness is not honorable - and people working in those jobs are not persons of good character.
Our capitalist world is based on lending money - on DIShonorable professions - strangely enough, since you embrace capitalism, you would have to embrace them as well.
Weapon manufacturers and traders? Honorable profession? What about those lab rats working on new B and C weapons? Honorable professions?
Strangely enough it's the Christian religion that claims the importance of mind and soul over body, so you'd think that prostitution of the BODY would be a lesser evil than prostitution of mind and soul.
So shouldn't a job that would require from you to forget all Christian tenets of charity, mercy and compassion, prostituting mind and soul for the greater glory of capitalist cutthroat economics be WAY more dishonorable than one that involves prostituting just your body?
now, here is what I call dishonourable activities. I think I would be far more annoyed if my children worked in weapons factories than in porn. it makes me think of those pictures of young adult parading in their military outfit with a real gun in their hand. isn't it a sign that our society is ill when people are proud to pose with an instrument of death in their end? and even more when the beauty of women is denied for example (but war is still ok on the other end)
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