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Corribus
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posted March 30, 2010 05:38 PM |
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I wouldn't [put the phone in my pocket] so I wouldn't find myself in this situation in the first place.
Well I thought about ending it where you find the content on the phone, so feel free to respond with how you would have handled it from this point.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 30, 2010 07:28 PM |
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I think, I've never read something so stupid - are parents really acting this way? Note, I have a 21 year old daughter. Let's see:
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You are having lunch with an old friend of yours, and you bring your 11 year old son with you. While eating, you start discussing the new phone that was just released,
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which, coincidentally, you recently bought for your son.
I wouldn't do that.
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You ask your son to show it to your friend. Your son is reluctant to do so, but at your insistence he hands it over.
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Your friend's eyes suddenly widen and he hands the phone to you. Much to your surprise, there are numerous adult-only applications installed on the phone. You are a little embarrassed
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but you don't really want to make a big deal of it in front of your friend, so you put the phone in your pocket,
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intending to deal with the issue later on. Your son, though, is quite angry that you are taking his phone from him,
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and he demands that you give it back. You politely tell him "no",
I wouldn't do that. Quote:
after which he calls you a dick, quite loud enough for your friend (and probably anyone at nearby tables) to hear.
And I've earned it twice over.
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What do you do?
Asking myself whether this is my son because he's behaving so much more sensible than me?
Seriously, I fail to grasp the moral dilemma at this point; if you have had none before, well...
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted March 30, 2010 07:43 PM |
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I too fail to see the point in bringing an 11-year-old kid with me to dinner with an old friend.
As to what I'd do:
As the adult content is found We'd make fun of it and my son. It would make him pretty embarrassed. He will regret and learn to hide it better. I wouldn't really punish him. I couldn't because I still remember what's it to be 11-year-old. Heck, I was after girls when I was eight. It's only normal he's interested.
If we presume I did take his phone away and he got his outburst I would scold him. If he insists on pushing further I'd start grounding him from each outburst. He'll think twice about continuing after he realises he's on his third week of grounding.
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xerox
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posted March 31, 2010 12:07 AM |
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Yeah who brings his/her 11 year old there anyway. 
Okay so I found out that he has porn on his phone (lol why? small screen etc >.> xD) then I would just hand over the phone to him and deal with it when we get home.
Plus why would the friend go through the phone anyway?
Isn't that kind of inpolite to dig through another persons phone like that?
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Elodin
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posted March 31, 2010 12:31 AM |
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Dilemma #2:
You are having lunch with an old friend of yours, and you bring your 11 year old son with you. While eating, you start discussing the new phone that was just released, which, coincidentally, you recently bought for your son. You ask your son to show it to your friend. Your son is reluctant to do so, but at your insistence he hands it over. Your friend's eyes suddenly widen and he hands the phone to you. Much to your surprise, there are numerous adult-only applications installed on the phone. You are a little embarrassed but you don't really want to make a big deal of it in front of your friend, so you put the phone in your pocket, intending to deal with the issue later on. Your son, though, is quite angry that you are taking his phone from him, and he demands that you give it back. You politely tell him "no", after which he calls you a dick, quite loud enough for your friend (and probably anyone at nearby tables) to hear.
What do you do?
I would not make a scene at the restraunt beyond a reprimand for disrespectful speech. He would not get the pone back at that time and I would tell him we will discuss things when we get home.
When I got home I would have a discussion with my son and take needed disciplinary measures. The son would also be resposible for paying the any bills for the adult only applications. He would likely lose the use of the phone for some amount of time.
The disrespectul speech would also need to be addressed. He would be grounded for some period of time.
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Vlaad
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posted March 31, 2010 01:16 AM |
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Nobody would bother discussing porn with their 11 year-old son (not at the table, of course)? Huh. Other than that, what JJ and Joonas said.
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted March 31, 2010 01:25 AM |
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I'm kind of surprised so many people think it's wacky to bring their son. What, your son isn't permitted to come to lunch with you to meet an old friend?
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baklava
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posted March 31, 2010 01:38 AM |
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I'm quite sure he'd rather stay home and test out his new phone anyway.
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted March 31, 2010 01:45 AM |
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By the way, this was a story a caller on a local radio station told earlier today. He was wondering what to do. I didn't make it up.
To answer Xerox's question - I don't think he "went through" the phone. The implication was that the application in question was pretty hard to miss - i.e., you turned it on and *BAM* right there it was: porn.
Also, I pose the counterargument that if I buy my son a telephone to use, presumably for emergencies, it really belongs to me and I can confiscate it, look at it, suspend his usage rights any damn time I want to and for any reason.
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mvassilev
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posted March 31, 2010 03:46 AM |
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If I had a son, I wouldn't drag him to meet any of my friends. I doubt he'd be interested, anyway. (I never had any interest in my parents' friends.)
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted March 31, 2010 08:13 AM |
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No 11-year-old boy would want to come to meet an old friend of their fathers. It is frustrating for him which leads to annoyment on fathers part and it will limit the evening with the old friend. You just wont act the same when there's a kid around. I see no good reason to bring the boy.
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Also, I pose the counterargument that if I buy my son a telephone to use, presumably for emergencies, it really belongs to me and I can confiscate it, look at it, suspend his usage rights any damn time I want to and for any reason.
I agree.
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Mytical
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posted March 31, 2010 08:29 AM |
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Assuming the facts to be true (which is debatable, but for the purpose of the discussion it is helpful to assume it is). I would be upfront to my son about the issue, and if they insisted in discussing it in public I would. He would be more embarrassed then I about discussing it in public. However, when we got home, I would explain to him the birds and bees (if needed), and that while there is absolutely nothing wrong with the human body, nudity, or such..that there are limits in society that must be followed.
However, I would hope to have already have done ALL of that LONG before 11. Sex, nudity, and such are not shameful or sinful..and should be discussed openly and honestly.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 31, 2010 08:52 AM |
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Also, I pose the counterargument that if I buy my son a telephone to use, presumably for emergencies, it really belongs to me and I can confiscate it, look at it, suspend his usage rights any damn time I want to and for any reason.
The whole problem is completely bogus. Does an 11-year old need a cell phone? No. Period. If parents want to control their children - buy them a beeper. Don't buy them the latest hi-tech model. That's completely ridiculous.
If HE wants one, he has an allowance to save for one. Note, that in this case it's HIS.
Now, with the web and its unlimited content, the real question is, how do I handle children's access to it (when does a child get access to the www)? Obviously, the minute I do allow access I allow access to adult only stuff, that much isn clear.
The situation is a bit like the forbidden fruit, except that it makes no sense to forbid things you can't control.
My personal "adult age" for children has been 14.
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So for this special moral dilemma the problem is:
EITHER 1) Don't give an 11-year old easy access to adult stuff when you don't want him to have it (he shouldn't have such a cell phone in the first place).
IF you do, though,
2) You treat him like an adult when alowing the access, why treat him like a child afterwards?
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Corribus
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posted March 31, 2010 03:26 PM |
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@Mytical
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However, I would hope to have already have done ALL of that LONG before 11. Sex, nudity, and such are not shameful or sinful..and should be discussed openly and honestly.
I think that's missing the point. I don't think there's anything shameful about sex, nudity or what have you. Pornography is something else. And even there, I'm not ready to categorically condemn it; however it doesn't really belong on my 11-year-old's cell phone that *I* am paying for. I also admit that there's a bit of selfishness involved in the reaction. If this situation happened to me, I (the adult) would be a little embarrassed.
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The whole problem is completely bogus. Does an 11-year old need a cell phone? No. Period. If parents want to control their children - buy them a beeper. Don't buy them the latest hi-tech model. That's completely ridiculous.
Well yes, I agree with you there.
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Moonlith
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posted April 05, 2010 04:27 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 16:32, 05 Apr 2010.
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Dilemma 1:
I don't see how being given a 'gift' out of generosity will teach your kid to 'expect' a 'compensation' any time something bad would happen... In general the reasoning and 'supposed meanings' is way too deep and pointless, keep it simple and just accept it as a very generous apology, and keep in mind to do something nice for them in return as a reward for being good well-meaning people.
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Dilemma #2:
You are having lunch with an old friend of yours, and you bring your 11 year old son with you. While eating, you start discussing the new phone that was just released, which, coincidentally, you recently bought for your son. You ask your son to show it to your friend. Your son is reluctant to do so, but at your insistence he hands it over. Your friend's eyes suddenly widen and he hands the phone to you. Much to your surprise, there are numerous adult-only applications installed on the phone. You are a little embarrassed but you don't really want to make a big deal of it in front of your friend, so you put the phone in your pocket, intending to deal with the issue later on. Your son, though, is quite angry that you are taking his phone from him, and he demands that you give it back. You politely tell him "no", after which he calls you a dick, quite loud enough for your friend (and probably anyone at nearby tables) to hear.
What do you do?
This one is just too stupid to take seriously. The whole situation is littered with examples of bad parentage, and a high volume of susceptibility to silly trends. Which is retarded in its own right.
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frostwolf
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posted April 14, 2010 10:51 AM |
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Am I the only one to think the problem was not with the phone but with the fact that an 11year old would call his dad a "dick" in public?
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angelito
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posted April 14, 2010 12:31 PM |
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Maybe his dad is Dick Tracy?
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bixie
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posted April 14, 2010 02:28 PM |
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Am I the only one to think the problem was not with the phone but with the fact that an 11year old would call his dad a "dick" in public?
why?
it's no less destroying our youth of today than Hannah montanna.
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DagothGares
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posted April 14, 2010 02:42 PM |
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Am I the only one to think the problem was not with the phone but with the fact that an 11year old would call his dad a "dick" in public?
why?
it's no less destroying our youth of today than Hannah montanna.
Indeed, Hannah Montana is the true menace.
Also, I have no idea how I would react on it. Well, embarassment would be had to be sure, but... Hell, if I know. I'd probably beat him senseless, like in the olden days!
EDIT: the spartan way: not for being punished, but for being found out.
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posted April 14, 2010 06:03 PM |
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Am I the only one to think the problem was not with the phone but with the fact that an 11year old would call his dad a "dick" in public?
In my country it wouldn't turn out good for the kid, not even now (parents from my generation) not to mention back in the days when I was 11 (parents from my parents generation).
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