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posted June 16, 2010 04:01 PM |
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Dilemma #3
You are a pediatrician. One day you are confronted by a young Muslim woman and her cowering daughter of approximately 14 years of age. The woman tells you that in order to be accepted by her family and be suitable for a future husband, she needs someone to take a knife and neatly slice off her daughter's external genitalia. She asks if you would perform this "surgery". While you think the practice is barbaric, you suspect that if you refuse, and she cannot find a doctor in the US who will perform the operation, she will simply take her daughter to some country in the Middle East where someone untrained will slice off the little girl's private parts with a rusty razor blade. Surely if it's going to be done, it should be done here, where at least it can be performed safely in a sterile environment, right?
What do you do?
(By the way, this is based on an interesting News article.)
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posted June 16, 2010 04:14 PM |
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As I know only the muslims in Africa do this (and not the North part).
However I'm not doing this, the law in Ameriaca of in other modern state is not going to allow injury of a human being, even if the subject think he/she need that.
The law may accept this, only if the subject him/herself do something like this alone to him/herself, braking a technical norm and not a normative social one - the norms, defended by law. That's why suicides are not punish - the one how do it is punished by the technical norm - the law of the nature say - he going to die (no need to punish him more, not like you can...). But if someone help him in the suicide - the helper is a criminal, since he is braking a normative rule. The same in the case in your post - helping this, makes you a criminal.
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posted June 16, 2010 04:29 PM |
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I would not do it. I would never knowingly mutilate a patient. It is illegal and unethical. Social norms be damned.
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posted June 16, 2010 04:33 PM |
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I don't know if you read the linked-to article or not, but what about a "token nick"?
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posted June 16, 2010 04:37 PM |
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The daughter is a child. Whatever mutilations for whatever reasons parents wish or want for their children, it should be against the law.
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posted June 16, 2010 04:39 PM |
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If I was sure about the girl being mutilated elsewhere if I refuse, I would do it and try to preserve her organs at maximum, or, if have the possibility, contact the police.
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posted June 16, 2010 04:41 PM |
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The daughter is a child. Whatever mutilations for whatever reasons parents wish or want for their children, it should be against the law.
Well of course, but I'm not talking about the law. The point is that I might take the moral high ground and refuse to perform any sort of operation, but in the process condemn the innocent child to a worse fate when her parents take her overseas and have her sliced up by someone with less skill and less sanitation.
(By the way, I'm playing devil's advocate here to stimulate discussion - I'm not necessarily saying that I would perform the operation.)
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posted June 16, 2010 04:57 PM |
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I wouldn't touch the girl.
Circumcision is mutilation and torture.
No matter if it's a boy or a girl.
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posted June 16, 2010 05:22 PM |
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I always found it funny how circumsizing girls is seen as gross and immoral, yet circumsizing baby boys is seen as okay? Double standards much?
As for the dilemma, the answer is no. I wouldn't do it, I'd even try to talk the mother out of it. I can only hope it works.
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posted June 16, 2010 05:58 PM |
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posted June 16, 2010 06:00 PM |
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If someone say "yes", I have to ask:
So its morale to cut her, in order to... "save" her from the middle east butchers, but so... is it morale to even cut her - mutilating her for whole life time?
How the problem is solved:
Law is banning it, if the parents still insist doing it - girl is taken away of them - done. Law is going to protect the one in danger (or at least it must be like this).
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posted June 16, 2010 06:05 PM |
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Sounds easy, but it is still a dilemma, as I see it. Sometimes the law will not follow, the authorities do not care or have not proof. It is not about acting morally (and running away, how sweet)), but refusing assistance to someone in future bigger danger within the restricted possibilities you have.
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posted June 16, 2010 06:10 PM |
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Boy circumcision does not destroy your sexual life (unless accident).
Neither does girl.
What difference would that make?
It's still quite useless torture and mutilation.
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posted June 16, 2010 06:14 PM |
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It's a priciple, body integrity is under protection, since without your body you can't be subject of the law, and it's mine value. So not only complete body destruction, but also body damages and even body humiliating is illegal.
So the action is completely against the law.
... so the right thing to do is to signal about it. And it's the most moral thing you can do about it.
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posted June 16, 2010 06:18 PM |
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Call in the authorities about the girl propably.
She can do the cutting herself when she's 18.
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posted June 16, 2010 06:31 PM |
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TBh, if the girl WANTS it (like REALLY WANT-WANT-WANTS it), then I might consider doing it. If you're 14 years old, you should be conscieous enough to understand the consequences of such a painfull, but more importantly PERMANENT procedure. I'd still advise against it, and wait untill she's mature enough to understand it FULLY and maturely. I mean, it's no like she's going to marry NOW, at 14 yo, isn't she, so why the hurry?
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posted June 16, 2010 06:39 PM |
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14 year old has no understanding whatsoever about permanent procedures.
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posted June 16, 2010 06:50 PM |
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posted June 16, 2010 06:50 PM |
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posted June 16, 2010 11:31 PM |
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As for the dilemma, the answer is no. I wouldn't do it, I'd even try to talk the mother out of it. I can only hope it works.
if she is a fundamentalist, it will just be impossible to convince her I think. whatever you will say, she will always claim she is right and you are mistaken.
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