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posted December 04, 2011 06:54 PM |
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@Nocturnal: if getting an erection is something you feel the need to share with others, then there are serious issues to address. Because this is porn job.
But that's actually being against the whole existence of the porn movies, not just being against a porn star's being teacher.
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posted December 04, 2011 07:04 PM |
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Well, there is a bit too much unemployment in the economy for such a thing to be true at the moment.
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posted December 04, 2011 08:01 PM |
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I can always rely on Elodin to keep the discussion going. 
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The problem is that only Elodin has kids here,
I have a kid. 
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Salamandre
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posted December 04, 2011 08:13 PM |
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"among the last anti-his-args posters", I said. Don't cut my sentences otherwise I will look as anti-everything
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posted December 04, 2011 08:18 PM |
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I can always rely on Elodin to keep the discussion going.
You mean to unite all possible sides which have been passionately arguing until this moment against himself. Yeah, that he does.
Regarding the dilemma - as long as the teacher stays a teacher and does not try to enforce or propagandize his views/lifestyle/philosophy/whatever to the students, he can be whatever he/she wants in his/her personal or other professional life as far as I'm concerned - a priest, a soldier, a porn actor, a secret government agent, etc. If he/she starts preaching, recruiting for some cause, turning his classes into an advertisement of his or somebody else's ideas (which he supports), then he'll have a problem with me.
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Salamandre
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posted December 04, 2011 08:53 PM |
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A teacher can't be neutral. He HAS to propagandize his views and philosophy, otherwise he is only a parrot of the system. That's why he must be a person with quality education, culture and moral standards.
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Zenofex
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posted December 04, 2011 09:11 PM |
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This is mostly (but not universally) true for humanitarian subjects. There's no taking sides if he's teaching Maths for example - at least not political, moral and such. And even in the cases of the humanitarian disciplines, a good teacher will present all points of view and will leave the students form their own opinions and the bad one will just preach something that is correct according to him.
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Salamandre
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posted December 04, 2011 09:20 PM |
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On contrary, I think that, with the world advancing extremely fast and competition between people being harsher than ever, every subject become humanitarian, from a "I create my future, in school, now" point of view.
Maths are something objective which can be taught also by email, radio, medias. But what about if one of your students has an exceptional potential, thus requires taking life choices, sacrificing things for preserving others, therefore he needs your advices? Also, very successful teachers (in any domains) are successful also for their aura and charisma. Young people often ask life advices to such people and follow them. Being teacher is big responsibility and also it asks you to be able to have always an objective point of view, which is not so easy.
And from this side, for me, the job of porn actor and the job of teacher are incompatible. Two different worlds.
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posted December 04, 2011 09:38 PM |
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If some person can combine these two things successfully without "interference", there is not problem to practise them both. I already said that if he starts messing one thing with the other, then he's not really a good teacher and in this case firing is an option.
But you seem to think that if he's a porn actor, this immediately makes him a bad teacher in every possible situation which is illogical.
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Salamandre
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posted December 04, 2011 09:44 PM |
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Yes, because in my view, the moral standards are the first requirement for taking the responsibility of educating and helping others to create their future. As the porn is considering people as sexual toys and if you are in, means you have no problem with, I see a logic in their incompatibility.
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posted December 04, 2011 09:54 PM |
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I don't really understand - he doesn't do anything to deprave his students, he's a good professional and nobody had had the slightest idea of his previous occupation until certain point when a third party exposed him but yet in your opinion he's a bad teacher because he was a port actor? Where's the logic here? What I see is "I don't like porn actors in general and that's that."
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Salamandre
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posted December 04, 2011 10:00 PM |
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I don't know any personally but I envy some of them, for one big reason.
Sorry, I did not read first the dilemma proposed by Corribus, I was just writing on the matter of porn<>educational job, as a general analyze. If a porn actor is a good teacher and he is fired because we found he is doing porn, I don't support the firing.
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baklava
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posted December 04, 2011 11:35 PM |
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We agree then.
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Elodin
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posted December 05, 2011 01:06 AM |
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I can always rely on Elodin to keep the discussion going.
Yes, my insightful and thought-provoking comments tend to stimulate discussion.
A person is who he is at all times even if he pretends to be someone else in certain situations. The porn star has the same deviant morals when is teaching the children as when he is on the porn set. He is just more guarded in showing them. In my opinion we really don't need someone who views people as just sex objects teaching our kids.
I'm also quite sure the porn star had to fill out an employment application to go to work for the school. On the application I'm pretty sure he would have been asked about his previous employment history. Which means he lied by omission when he did not tell them about the porn movies.
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Nocturnal
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posted December 05, 2011 02:31 AM |
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A person is who he is at all times even if he pretends to be someone else in certain situations. The porn star has the same deviant morals when is teaching the children as when he is on the porn set. He is just more guarded in showing them. In my opinion we really don't need someone who views people as just sex objects teaching our kids.
Hold your horses a little bit, what's happening? 
Why would a porn star has to view people as just sex object? He is recorded while having sex and being paid for that. Where's the part in that about his view of people or his deviant morals. You're just making assumptions about a person who doesn't match your idea of morality. And "deviant"? A little dramatic, are we?
You don't even know this person and you know "who he is at all times"? You don't. You just learned he made porn during some period of his life and now being a porn star became "how he is at all times" for you? You just have chosen the side of his character that just suited to justify your accusation.
The possibility of his being a very nice person, a kind and caring person, a good teacher, a great son, a smart person, all of them are immediately gone when you learned he was a porn star.
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baklava
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posted December 05, 2011 03:31 AM |
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What's provoking my thoughts right now, El, is where on Earth do you find so much certainty when making such essentially random accusations.
How many pornographic actors do you know, anyway? My mother is an ex pornographic actress and she is a wonderful person and a great parent. Now she's a master brain surgeon and a black belt karate holder.
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Salamandre
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posted December 05, 2011 03:53 AM |
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We agree on the matter that if one person committed no error in his job and is fired for external reasons (as doing another activity with no connection), then the firing is not justified.
Now, I also agree with Elodin that, when postulating for a teacher job and asked about external activities, hiding porn could be a valid firing reason later. The parents have all the rights to know with who their kids are learning and being daily educated by, then be able to refuse or acknowledge.
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Azagal
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posted December 05, 2011 04:44 AM |
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lol almost had be Bak. Almost. Not sure whether it has something to do with the fact that its 4:44 am lol.
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gnomes2169
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posted December 05, 2011 05:58 AM |
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The parents have all the rights to know with who their kids are learning and being daily educated by, then be able to refuse or acknowledge.
So a teacher automatically looses his privacy? To inform parents and students, does he have to, by law, tell them things like, "I'm and athiest homosexual who was once a porn star at one point in my life. If you would like to leave my class because I might subconsciously champion my past to my students using the same vocabulary that you use, you have options A, B, C..."
Must he also be obligated to tell them his salary, what time he wakes up/ goes to bed (god forbid he teaches children that they can stay up past their bedtimes), and what he eats for breakfast? (Oh dear gods, count chocula! Burn the heathen for purchasing that off-brand cereal!)
Let the past be the past. In general, porn stars are created because they have nothing else to make a living and no other realistic options. Most are not proud of what they did. If the guy has been clean since he had obtained this stable job, then there is no reason to fire him.
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Salamandre
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posted December 05, 2011 07:57 AM |
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All what we do has shorter or longer term consequences, you want it or not. Went in jail? Not many people will hire you. Became president? Not many people will love you. Rich? Not many true friends. Poor? Not much respect from others. Work in porn? Handle with those disapproving it, and accept it. Spent too much time on Internet or in bars? Don't be surprised you don't yet have a job then.
Declaring the others guilty because your choices by the past is the wrong way and you will lose. Accept your errors and start acting well. Telling the truth is the first step for rehabilitation. We can't live and constantly refute how the society judge us. That's how it works.
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