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posted June 28, 2013 06:48 PM |
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I'd say Jealous Guy by John Lennon expresses shyness quite well. Would I call it Rock, I'm not so sure, but it's definitely not classical.
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posted June 28, 2013 07:06 PM |
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I don't deny the power of different styles, far from it (well I don't listen to anything else than classical today, but it is rather a matter of free time-lack than else). Is just that classical music can go very complex through polyphony and mixing various forms on the fly, and polyphony means conflict: it's like having several characters arguing each other. This also makes it less accessible to those not formed and comfortable with. It does not deny the other styles nailing very well with some well done melody, but that's what they are mostly limited at, create a melody then filling it within an usual short form, 5-10 minutes max. Even today, we have a few commercial composers who have to go back to classical style in order to successfully match the complexity of a movie, see Franz Waxman in Hitchcock's Rebecca. Or the later John Williams.
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posted June 28, 2013 07:17 PM |
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I think of film music like the classical music of 20th century anyway. I have many soundrtrack albums including John Williams and a Hitchcock collection (my favorite is North by Northwest). The "classical" classical music of 20th century is not something I'm quite a fan of though, there are exceptions of course, but usually they lose me after the Late-Romantic Era. I really can't see what's all the hype about Stravinsky for example. Also, the polyphony you speak of is valid for Jazz too, I can even say, before classical music, it was jazz that thought me the polyphonical relationship between the instruments.
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posted June 28, 2013 07:29 PM |
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I am with you about the XXth classical music. Beethoven had to personally perform his compositions, and hope that someone will like them, buy then play. Today our famous conservatories are applying a positive discrimination about the modern music, we are literally handcuffed to play it, I am handcuffed to give it on a daily rate to my students and speaking bad about could take me out from job. Doesn't change my opinion that is totally messed, no rules, no time-based culture related (Beijing or Budapest, sounds same), no historical progress, no connection with the past.
That's the XXth century religion: promote the mediocrity and pussify the audience, we are actually censured if we give our negative opinion about a bunch of things. There are a lot of straight moderators in real life too.
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posted July 10, 2013 05:10 AM |
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A new study by the Pew Research Center shows that, despite the fact that every year America becomes less religious, less than half of Americans view this as a bad thing. A small portion think this is a good thing, and about 40% think it doesn't really matter.
http://www.pewforum.org/growth-of-the-nonreligious-many-say-trend-is-bad-for-american-society.aspx
What do you think?
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posted July 10, 2013 06:40 AM |
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Quoting Doomforge, "I wouldn't care if Poland was 100% atheist"
Same goes for other countries.
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posted July 10, 2013 07:45 AM |
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Many Christians do not describe themselves as religious because they reject Christianity being labeled as a religion. The Pew poll says 6% of Americans describe themselves as atheists or agnostics. I'm not sure what age range the poll included. Many teens are in the "its cool to be an atheist" phase of their young lives and will move on to theism when their "rebellious" stage is over.
A new Pew poll conducted with PBS says the majority (68%) of those "non-religious" folks believe in God.
Getting away from "religiosity" is a good thing. Faith in organizations is misplaced. Our faith is to be in God.
Christianity is supposed to be about a relationship with God, not rote. Vain, empty repetition is a "form of worship" but there is no power in it. I'm certainly not saying that repetition should not be used in worship. But for a person to truly worship his heart must be in it. Just mouthing words is what Jesus called "vain repetition."
Pentecostal churches continue to grow in the US and worldwide. 
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However, a new survey by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life, conducted jointly with the PBS television program Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly, finds that many of the country’s 46 million unaffiliated adults are religious or spiritual in some way. Two-thirds of them say they believe in God (68%). More than half say they often feel a deep connection with nature and the earth (58%), while more than a third classify themselves as “spiritual” but not “religious” (37%), and one-in-five (21%) say they pray every day. In addition, most religiously unaffiliated Americans think that churches and other religious institutions benefit society by strengthening community bonds and aiding the poor.
With few exceptions, though, the unaffiliated say they are not looking for a religion that would be right for them. Overwhelmingly, they think that religious organizations are too concerned with money and power, too focused on rules and too involved in politics.
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posted July 10, 2013 11:49 AM |
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What do you think?
As I said earier, the agricultural religions dont have much time left. It's a matter of centuries, not milleniums for them to go "ancient". In such a global world with instant communication and internet, such local ethics wont be able to pass themselves as universal for much longer. Especially in case of Abrahamic religions which sends the non-members to hell, even most religious people feel wrong about that by now anyway. Of course, all of this is valid for countries with some level of wealth, proper education and widespread urbanization.
And Corb, it would be really better if you use the hyperlink thingy when giving links. Copy/pasting long things on an iPad is a pain in the ass.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:01 PM |
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There was a man who said Christianity will vanish and shrink. He died a tragic death and I hope that beyond death he will be a better man than that. It is solely my opinion.
The man's name was John Winston Ono Lennon.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:09 PM |
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Well,there are the oficial rituals,beliefs and so on.
There always will be the personal inner understanding of christianity,which is not less important than the official one.
He was a briliant musician and some day I think he will come back with his talent to us,humans.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:15 PM |
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He said "I don't believe in Jesus"
But there are no limits to God's love.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:18 PM |
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Edited by artu at 12:23, 10 Jul 2013.
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Some people will keep on having a notion of metaphysical spirituality, sure. But it wont be linked to Christianity or Islam or this and that for long. Just like you dont relate your "inner understandings" with Animism now. Religions are born, developed and gone with the historical conditions that produce them. It is a process observed over and over again through out the adventure of mankind. Yours is no different than the others.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:22 PM |
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Nah, Christianity will be around at the end of time. Then "time shall be no more" and all evil will be vanquished to hell and the new creation will be fully manifest.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:32 PM |
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He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making all things new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
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posted July 10, 2013 12:36 PM |
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Religions are born, developed and gone with the historical conditions that produce them. It is a process observed over and over again through out the adventure of mankind.
So YOU admit that new religions will be born!
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posted July 10, 2013 12:50 PM |
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I think from this point on, people with a tendency to metaphysical spirituality will rather have their own personal beliefs instead of going for this or that institutional religion. The time of mythologies passed and new ones wont evolve ( not beyond the level of urban legends, funny stories etc etc), yet gathering around a common ritual is still meaningful for communities, so religions without myths may evolve, yes. Jaques Attali comes up with the theory of Lego religions, saying in near future, individuals will pick this or that aspect from many religions and combine them according to their own taste and philosophy.
Also note that we've been around for 200. 000 years and the scientific method in the modern sense has been around only for 300 - 400 years tops and it is a real game changer.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:52 PM |
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James T Kirk:
Mankind has no need for gods, we find the One quite adequate.
I know it's a TV show, but one created by a visionary and humanist, mr Gene Roddenberry.
In other words, in the future, people will stop being so preachy and judging of others and will keep their faith mostly to themselves. I want to believe in that.
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posted July 10, 2013 12:58 PM |
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I have nothing against a respectful to religion/beliefs scientific method.Note that the scientific method have many differencies from atheism.
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posted July 10, 2013 01:03 PM |
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Edited by artu at 13:04, 10 Jul 2013.
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No, what I meant was it is much harder for NEW religions to evolve when there is now a different method to explain things already. How many people have you seen that takes scientology(!) seriously.
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posted July 10, 2013 01:07 PM |
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Life will find a way,artu.Life always evolves spiritualy.
New directions of spirituality,new points of view,new understanding,which will help future generations to come and live peacefully.
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