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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 10, 2013 01:07 PM |
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Sir Isaac Newton was a Christian. Today, some of his ideas are named heresies, but by whom? By failible people, not by God. The same is true for people like Marcion and Origen. I think these men wrote some things that were not far from the truth.
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artu
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posted July 10, 2013 01:13 PM |
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Sir Isaac Newton lived in the 17th century and that has nothing to do with the question of ML that if NEW religions will evolve from now on? Christianity already existed in the 17th century Europe as a very very dominant and old social norm.
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posted July 10, 2013 01:20 PM |
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Aragorn words
"There can be a day when the courage of men fails, but this is not that day. This day we fight."
- Aragorn
Strangely I was posting about someone's mot but this says a lot about my religious believes.
Be ready to give all that you are for what you believe and you will be giving the world a meaning... If there is a god is in your actions.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 10, 2013 01:25 PM |
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Aragorn is a character created by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, a Christian. I approve of that message.
I was talking about "heretics", not new religions.
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posted July 10, 2013 01:37 PM |
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So YOU admit that new religions will be born!
They are already born. I personally believe in the bright future of Pastafarianism, a little bit secularized and rationalised though. 
I'd like to see some nationwide survey like "What does 'nonreligious' mean?" and then think about what this particular survey tells us. It would have one meaning if it turned out that for most people word "nonreligious" means "not a Christian" or "not a Muslim", and definitely different one if people said "nonreligious" are in fact "atheists".
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Aragorn is a character created by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, a Christian. I approve of that message.
So you won't approve of anything that is not from Christians even if you could agree with it?
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 10, 2013 01:48 PM |
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I can agree on some points with men with Voltaire but not men like Richard Dawkins.
Okay?
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artu
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posted July 10, 2013 02:34 PM |
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Life will find a way,artu.Life always evolves spiritualy.
Not necessarily.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 10, 2013 02:35 PM |
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because, some people will oppose evolution and will cling to their empty ways, spiritually speaking and more. Look at the Christian Orthodox church.
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posted July 10, 2013 02:42 PM |
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Life will find a way,artu.Life always evolves spiritualy.
Not necessarily.
Whether God created it or not, evolution is a purely physical process.
Here is a question...
I have heard that Islam is better than Judaism, is it true?
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posted July 10, 2013 02:44 PM |
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Define "better" and then I'll answer.
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posted July 10, 2013 02:57 PM |
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Define "better" and then I'll answer.
I have been told that Islam has more believers, is more moral, has proof and muslims are generally more spiritual than jews among other things.
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posted July 10, 2013 03:02 PM |
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That might be true, I am sure. And I am sure that Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, promotes some good ideas. However, you all know what I think of Islam personally. I'd rather not go further.
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artu
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posted July 10, 2013 03:10 PM |
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Life will find a way,artu.Life always evolves spiritualy.
Not necessarily.
Whether God created it or not, evolution is a purely physical process.
Here is a question...
I have heard that Islam is better than Judaism, is it true?
I have been told that Islam has more believers, is more moral, has proof and muslims are generally more spiritual than jews among other things.
1- I don't think he was referring to biological evolution.
2- I don't think any of them is better and I see no parameter to decide such a thing. Islam has more followers because unlike Judaism (and just like Christianity) it supports "spreading the word." I think spirituality is more about a person's character and tendencies rather than the religion he's born into. There are mystic sects in all three Abrahamic religions. The one I most dislike however is Islam since it combines Judaisms 24/7 interventions to daily life with Christianity's expansionism.
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posted July 10, 2013 03:25 PM |
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Islam is the best of them in some aspects and the worst in others. And according to my personal judgement , Islam is not inspired by God. But I do tolerate it as long as they don't go all "jihad" on the rest.
I do not follow Judaism, alrhough it is true in my eyes, because I can't, you still have to have some connection to Israel to follow Judaism. And my own beliefs about modern Jews prevent me anyway from doing so.
I follow Christianity because I think Christ Jesus is the Messiah. That is all.
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posted July 10, 2013 03:32 PM |
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1- I don't think he was referring to biological evolution.
2- I don't think any of them is better and I see no parameter to decide such a thing. Islam has more followers because unlike Judaism (and just like Christianity) it supports "spreading the word." I think spirituality is more about a person's character and tendencies rather than the religion he's born into. There are mystic sects in all three Abrahamic religions. The one I most dislike however is Islam since it combines Judaisms 24/7 interventions to daily life with Christianity's expansionism.
1- In that case, my bad.
2- I found out why Islam is the best, time to abandon Asatro...
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let's apply some common-sense
I said: the probability test puts forwards three logic probabilities
1. Judaism is the correct Religion and Christianity and Islam are wrong
2. Christianity is the correct Religion and Judaism and Islam are wrong
3. Islam is the correct Religion and Judaism and Christianity are wrong
Well, let us see the result of each probability
1. What if Judaism is the correct Religion and Christianity and Islam are wrong
In this case, Jews of course will enter the Paradise in the Hereafter.
Also, Christians and Muslims will enter the Paradise in the Hereafter because they believe in the great Prophet Moses and believe in his book, the Torah.
2. What if Christianity is the correct Religion and Judaism and Islam are wrong
In this case, Christians of course will enter the Paradise in the Hereafter.
However, the Jews will go to the Eternal Hell because they deny the Lord Jesus, Saint Mary and the Gospel.
On the other hand, Muslims will enter the Paradise in the Hereafter because they Love, respect and believe in Jesus and his Pure mother Saint Mary. Also, Muslims believe in the Gospel.
3. What if Islam is the correct Religion and Judaism and Christianity are wrong
In this case, Muslims of course will enter the Paradise in the Hereafter.
On the other hand, both Jews and Christians will go to the Eternal Hell in the Hereafter because they both deny Allah, Muhammad and the Quran.
The results of the probability test in respect to which Religion is the correct one and its impact on the Hereafter show that:
1. Jews have a chance of 33% to enter the Paradise in the Hereafter and a chance of 66% to go to Eternal Hell.
2. Christians have a chance of 66% to enter the Paradise in the Hereafter and a chance of 33% to go to Eternal Hell.
3. Muslims have a chance of 100% to enter the Paradise in the Hereafter and a chance of 0% to go to Eternal Hell.
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posted July 10, 2013 03:36 PM |
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Oh, and I believe in Christianity, not Churchianity. That means, to me, no hell with eternal tortures and demons with pitchforks. And no having to listen to anyone except God to tell you what to do.
I believe God will have all men to be saved and come to knowledge of the truth, sooner or later... everyone will be salted with fire and some will be judged in the Lake of fire and brimstone which is divine judgement, and they will come out new.
God will be All in All.
I'm done.
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posted July 10, 2013 03:39 PM |
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@Gunfred
Heh heh, nice one. Not exactly accurate though. According to the Jews Muslims and Christians wont enter heaven and according to Christians Muslims wont go to heaven because although they respect and accept the previous prophets as messenger of God, their way of worship is heresy.
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posted July 10, 2013 03:43 PM |
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relative right of existence
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I agree - it's rather funny to hear someone who allegedly believes in a completely naturalistic worldview to speak of a "relative right of existence".
Agree, nature doesn't show any preferences about how old a specie must be to die, is not even like individuals where you can extablish a life expectance, some large branches endure for ages and then disapere and some species don't even had a chance to last for decades.
Do you knew that many of the cro-magnon ancestors, namely neanderthal, have probably co-existed and were extinguished by competition with more evolved sub-species?
I don't see a Right on this, do you? Maybe the right of a predator to eat a prey.
I don't believe something external to us can give us the path to live our lifes, you will have to find it yourself.
Once I read a book (I admit, sometimes I read...) whose title was 'Conversations With God' from a guy called Neale Donald Walsch (it's Christian so you can start to read it also, Drakon...).
Not meaning this that I believe in all that he sayed but he has gave me a lot to think of...
Even if really I prefer to think about how my Gannicus will kick-ass on every AI oponent and drive me to the position of supreme ruler of the map.
I prefer to get 'the feeling' of being a god in some game, while listening to Breaking Benjamin's "I will not bow" to the RESPONSABILITY of being one in my life, even if I have found some truth in some Palahniuk citation I read above "the idea of another life is just another way of procrastination".
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posted July 10, 2013 06:28 PM |
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Heh heh, nice one. Not exactly accurate though. According to the Jews Muslims and Christians wont enter heaven and according to Christians Muslims wont go to heaven because although they respect and accept the previous prophets as messenger of God, their way of worship is heresy.
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posted July 10, 2013 07:31 PM |
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A new study by the Pew Research Center shows that, despite the fact that every year America becomes less religious, less than half of Americans view this as a bad thing. A small portion think this is a good thing, and about 40% think it doesn't really matter.
http://www.pewforum.org/growth-of-the-nonreligious-many-say-trend-is-bad-for-american-society.aspx
What do you think?
I don't think it matters at this point, since a lot a behaviour patterns are still based on religion, but in another 50 years or so it might become relevant.
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