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Galatea
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posted May 20, 2019 11:17 PM |
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Bran will se to it. He knows everything.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted May 20, 2019 11:19 PM |
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It's more down to how we got from A to B, or more accurately how we got from A to 918#sfd'"234. Putting aside logical things like the ****ing reason to even have a Night's Watch (I love the penal system, but it's lacking a role).
How the **** did we get to Jon ending up back in the Night's Watch?! He killed Dany, feels terrible about it, seriously her death had serious weight on my soul, after her bat-snow ranting I actually expected the crack heads to write that Jon submits and commits to the craze. If they had two brain-cells they would've wrote that he took the throne himself and emasculated the Dragon with his blood or his sword (the ****er looks like he would've prostrated himself and accepted a goddamn animal's judgement over a KING's).
That whole council was a derp AF, my private Jester and Gimp couldn't match the asshatery that was the character performance throughout the scene. And Bran being chosen, was soul-crushingly good.
Verdict: This episode redeems all the failures of past seasons and is hereby declared the best finish such an aclaimed series could hope for, never would I have hoped to witness such wonders.
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artu
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posted May 20, 2019 11:34 PM |
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Edited by artu at 09:04, 21 May 2019.
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Elvin said:
Much as I liked Jon's eventual fate, I don't quite buy the punishment. I mean, who's going to enforce it? Are the unsullied gonna make surprise inspections up there? If Jon was caught not being there, would they face an unsullied invasion?
Bonus question, how do you even enforce no marriage or children in the middle of nowhere? Sounds like a place where he'd get lots of wildling action. And it's not like they have magical DNA tests, right?
Well, we know there’s letter traffic between the Wall and the rest of the world, so you can simply appoint one Unsullied to constantly report back to town.
He can have “wildling action” for sure but I dont think that’s their concern, they want no legitimate heir from Jon, and as a nobleman, once he agrees to never marry, that’s done. Of course, we’ve seen basterds upgrading to legit heirs when there’s demand many times in the show but they can be thinking “we’ll deal with that when the time comes.” Basically, the motivation was to cool off the Unsully and if they already have the intention to cool off, they can agree to it with saving face, now they at least have their payback on paper. It was mentioned they were not very satisfied with the results but had to compromise for peace anyway.
Anyway, overall, it was far from being the worst thing on TV but these last seasons showed us that even with the same production values, same actors, same fictional universe, without terrific writing, no show can be truly capturing. It all comes down to the script and the one creative brain behind it. The scene where the queen got killed, I even paused the TV for a while to check out some facebook notifications on the net. I dont see myself doing that in any of the first five seasons.
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friendofgunnar
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posted May 20, 2019 11:38 PM |
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The agony is finally over 
A few points:
When GRRMartin was talking about his inspiration for the story he described how he was struck by the beginning scene, where Bran gets pushed out the window, and the ending scene. Rhaegar giving Dany the shiv in an epic classical-style tragedy is likely what he had in mind, although as I and others have pointed out Dumb and Dumber failed completely in the execution.
Nerdrotic over on youtube is a dedicated student of 'Planetos' and the GoT books and his theory was that Euron was the true final villain, giving that he had taken off to parts unknown to study blood magic and look for dragons. His tv depiction as a douche-bag frat-boy was a serious downgrade. I like the theory because as I've pointed out before I never bought the Cersei angle.
I appreciate the historical angle that was included in the ending. GRRM was inspired by the War of the Roses, which immediately preceded the Columbian discovery that kicked off the age of colonialism and imperialism. Having the story line up with an emerging representative form of government and an age of exploration gives the world a dimension of cultural evolution. It'll be interesting to see if that happens in the books
Also in regards to "dragons possess a very keen intellect that surpasses that of man". Is that in the books? I don't recall it being in the show. My understanding was that they're just clever beasts with a psychic link to the Targaryans.
I'll skip over all the WTF parts as I 'm sure it'll be covered by youtubers.
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blob2
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posted May 20, 2019 11:51 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:15, 21 May 2019.
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artu said:
Well, we know there’s letter traffic between the Wall and the rest of the world, so you can simply appoint one unsully to constantly report back to town.
True dat. Actually all our laws are based on agreements. If you break them you will either run or get caught by the authorities.
artu said:
He can have “wildling action” for sure but I dont think that’s their concern, they want no legitimate heir from Jon, and as a nobleman, once he agrees to never marry, that’s done.
Yeah, the actual value for legitimacy of claim to the throne seems to be one of the most strongly enforced rule in Westeros. Meaning they really do take note from where a guy came...
artu said:
Anyway, overall, it was far from being the worst thing on TV but these last seasons showed us that even with the same production values, same actors, same fictional universe, without terrific writing, no show can be truly capturing. It all comes down to the script and the one creative brain behind it. The scene where the queen got killed, I even paused the TV for a while to check out some facebook notifications on the net. I dont see myself doing that in any of the first five seasons.
I think the hate grew out of proportions, people literally started to hate on the series just to prove their point: that they didn't liked how it played out, poorly written or not. Then again I actually am really angry with how internet started to make its mark on my perception of the show. You can try to avoid as many comments as possible, but you can't possibly not be impacted at least to some extent by them. So ultimately those twisted my perception of the last season, and I would be better off without some of the opinions of others... as stupid as this statement may sound lol 
BUT!
Actually when I think about it they really couldn't handle the ending in other then two possible outcomes if they really wanted to "close" the story somewhat, in spite of how much the fans would like to claim they had a better idea:
1. Classic ending - Danerys saves the day and marries Snow. They live hapilly ever after -> which would be immiadiately criticized as being too goody for our dark and sad GoT. Well, Danareys could also be the sole ruler, but the fact of Jons legitimacy would leave the land in turmoil once again, so no conclusion.
2. Danaerys turns evil, is killed off and all the major other contenders to the throne are also either killed or "sent" off. A new system is born, less focused on the "game of thrones" aspect, and a neutral, counsel-voted king is chosen (Btw I really like how they made this little joke about Sams "democracy" idea being totally bashed). The one we actually got.
In other scenarios we would be left with a too open ended conclusion to the story.
PS: And Euron being the "big baddy"? Please no...
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Oddball13579
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posted May 21, 2019 12:20 AM |
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friendofgunnar said:
Also in regards to "dragons possess a very keen intellect that surpasses that of man". Is that in the books? I don't recall it being in the show. My understanding was that they're just clever beasts with a psychic link to the Targaryans.
"Dragons are very intelligent creatures - at times seeming to approach human levels of intelligence and emotion - but they never specifically display it: Dragons can't physically talk, and although they can understand voice commands from humans, this is no more than what a dog or a horse can do. Rather, dragons appear to have some sort of higher, unnatural level of intelligence; they seem to be more in tune with "magic" (or "fate" or "nature") than humans are, and possess a sense of mental awareness that humans do not....Historians in Westeros have frequently lamented that men could never truly understand the mind of a dragon, and that sometimes dragons took certain actions for inscrutable reasons."
Taken from GoT Wiki Dragons
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted May 21, 2019 11:30 AM |
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Minion
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posted May 21, 2019 11:49 AM |
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Edited by Minion at 11:50, 21 May 2019.
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Funny, but not quite true. All 6 first seasons are decent (if memory serves), but I need to rematch the series I guess.
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 21, 2019 11:50 AM |
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I remember liking season 6 less than its predecessors.
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artu
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posted May 21, 2019 12:07 PM |
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Edited by artu at 12:08, 21 May 2019.
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Same here, the downfall was gradual but back then we didnt perceive it as a downfall but rather a season that is not one of the best.
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Minion
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posted May 21, 2019 12:15 PM |
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Ok I had to look up the episodes, and I actually remembered Jon dies at the end of season 6, but it was already at the end of season 5. However, season 6 had such epic last two episodes it probably saved the season for me. First Battle of snows, simply amazing. Then Cercei blowing up the Sept, I will never forget that slow burning scene, what was it 10 minutes long? Just the song slowly creeping on, I was basically holding my breath the whole time lol, loved it.
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted May 21, 2019 12:50 PM |
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I remember not liking the battle of the snows all that much. Possibly because of the heavy layer of plot armor Jon had in it.
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Elvin
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posted May 21, 2019 01:16 PM |
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Damn, I can't find that gif with Jon mowing down his enemies while using l33t talk. That was epic.
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Galatea
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posted May 21, 2019 01:52 PM |
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After watching the last episode, I have come to a realization that they shouldn't have titled it Game of Thrones. It should be - The Starks.
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blob2
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posted May 21, 2019 02:19 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 14:25, 21 May 2019.
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Galatea said:
After watching the last episode, I have come to a realization that they shouldn't have titled it Game of Thrones. It should be - The Starks.
Well actually the books did start off on this note. I think that was Martins initial idea, but blowing the story to such proportions, growing on each of the characters, he started to build the story from multiple angles.
After watching the last episode I feel suspiciously "empty". Somehow I'm not longing for more at this point, I wonder what is the reason... was it really that badly written or my interest in the series simply ended?
Btw one thing that I didn't mention, aside from the story itself, is the cinematography aspects of last episode. The scenography at Red Keep was really atmospheric and epic. A shame people don't really appreciate it cus their busy hating on the series:
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fred79
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posted May 21, 2019 02:32 PM |
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Not to continue the hating, but that screen reminds me: where did those Dothraki and ALL those unsullied come from, anyway? Weren't nearly ALL of them wiped out in the undead battle? 
They certainly had made it seem that way...
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Elvin
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posted May 21, 2019 02:51 PM |
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Honestly blob, I think you've been influenced by the internets but in a different way than you think. You keep mentioning haters but what I see is mostly disappointment and loss of interest. It feels like there is a culture that brands people as irrational haters so as to discredit their point of view, a tactic used all too often by people with stakes in the film industry, by feminists or otherwise sjw. And I wonder if that isn't subconsciously influencing people when they hear about haters. I mean.. are regular fans toxic and they are the cure? Or are they stoking the embers?
In other news:
Quote:
George R.R. Martin, the author of the books which the series were based on, has said that the ending he is writing will be different from the one which we saw on screen.
On his blog, the 70-year-old novelist wrote: "How will it all end? The same ending as the show? Different? Well... yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes."
"There are characters who never made it onto the screen at all, and others who died in the show but still live in the books.
"So if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet.
"And yes, there will be unicorns... of a sort."
So.. yay for unicorns? 
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blob2
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posted May 21, 2019 03:26 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 15:27, 21 May 2019.
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Elvin said:
Honestly blob, I think you've been influenced by the internets but in a different way than you think. You keep mentioning haters but what I see is mostly disappointment and loss of interest. It feels like there is a culture that brands people as irrational haters so as to discredit their point of view, a tactic used all too often by people with stakes in the film industry, by feminists or otherwise sjw. And I wonder if that isn't subconsciously influencing people when they hear about haters. I mean.. are regular fans toxic and they are the cure? Or are they stoking the embers?
No Elvin, I read the comments. Sure there is constructive critic, but when you read into it, its mostly about parroting what others have said already without giving it much thought. When I speak about "internet culture", I mean how people are triggering each other by commenting on things you wouldn't normally be bothered with. But people are now subconsciously part of a collective mind. They feel miserable because of this and that, but they turn everything into total hate by throwing comments under each GoT article like:
"This show is s*it, f*ck you!".
When you ask them why, its "because seasons 1-5 were better!",
Why? - you ask: "Because they were based on Martin books!" (probably didn't read them).
Ok but why do you personally hate it? "Because Dany died". etc
Being disappointed is one thing. But when people start to purposely look for plastic bottles and criticize each and every aspect (again and again) like GoT was supposed to be a historic recreation that means they need to move on...
Ofc feel free to criticize how and what you want, but imo some of it is simply laughable (like the whole petition s*it). I don't discredit the critic, I discredit the proportions to which it has blown into. It wasn't bad, some poor pacing and character development decisions brought it down a tone, lessened the impact the shows ending might've had. I enjoyed the show as a whole, even if the ending left me unimpressed...
PS: And of course Martin will administer changes. He would be silly not to
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posted May 21, 2019 03:38 PM |
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normally the bigger you are, the harder you must fall if you suddenly become ****, no need to feel all world-weary or rope in a culture war ramble to see a process to that cheers lol
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blob2
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posted May 21, 2019 05:01 PM |
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Yeah, no point in discussing when you liked the final season and don't agree (to some point) with its bashing. You don't criticize it then you're out of the "circle".
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