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Elvin
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posted February 17, 2016 07:45 PM |
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That's because the story is terribly written.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted February 17, 2016 07:59 PM |
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@Antalyan
Before you say that the stories prior to h5 never interested you, then you say you'll give them a chance if the games are remade in 3D   and I assume that also means they'd better have cheap cutscenes to actually tell the story because reading is a turn off...
Well as frosty said, you missed out on some really great stories. But if you like h5-h7 you might have a very unique taste in story telling. For me, the best tales were certainly from h4 and heroes chronicles. H2 was really simple but the campaign of that game was just really fun to play.
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frostymuaddib
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posted February 17, 2016 08:00 PM |
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Antalyan said:
I would give them a chance if someone redone them in 3D... Now after playing H5,6,7 it is impossible for me to return back to 2D.
Then our conversation was meaningless.
Antalyan said:
About H5 story: I agree there is a significant difference between H5 and H7 story (as you know I don't know the old ones). H5 was a story more like a fairy tale, H7 has some dilemmas and moral conflicts so I see it to be much further. But do you know better introduction to a brand new world than fairy tale? 
However the thing which seems to me strange's why H5 characters did not learn from their ancestors? They behave more stupid and do worse decisions than H6 or H7 ones...
Fairy tale? I do not know of any fairy tale written as bad as H5. I respect that you like H5,6,7 (I like H5 minus the story) but defending poorly written campaigns of H5 is something I will never be able to understand.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted February 17, 2016 08:07 PM |
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heroes 4 is 3d.
best stories by far.
just sayin
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted February 17, 2016 08:30 PM |
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yogi said:
heroes 4 is 3d.
best stories by far.
just sayin
But the game is old you can't play old games
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
channeling capybara energy
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posted February 17, 2016 08:40 PM |
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Duuuuuuuuuuuude....
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 17, 2016 09:14 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:21, 17 Feb 2016.
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Stevie said:
AoW3? Dude... I swear, that game is more Heroes than Heroes 7 is.
+1
Despite all the differences it has with a Heroes game I find it much closer to the NWC iterations in spirit than either h6 or h7 (the “mmh wave”).
Maurice said:
Actually, H7's flanking system was rather poorly in implementation. You were unable to change the facing of your units in defense for possible flanking attacks and neither were you able to effectively counter flanking attacks from happening since enemy units can freely dance and dash through your ranks without repercussions. An often heard argument is that doing so would open the enemy to flanking attacks on his turn in return, but that was going to happen anyway, given that you can dance and dash between the enemy ranks just as well.
Age of Wonders III did this a whole lot better.
+1
No one ever said flanking was a bad idea, it's the actual implementation that failed, in AoW3 it is very well done, first attack only flanks, unit can reposition after moving if it doesn't attack, if unit defends cannot be flanked, what's the point of implementing this feature in the first place if the battle does not gain in tactical depth.
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Maybe M&M Heroes series should be called rather "turn-based strategy with rpg elements"
Errr, that's what HOMM is actually called, because, aside h4, it has an emphasis on the strategy, while MMH is the other way around, yet IMO not good enough on the RPG side either hence why some call it shallow.
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I am the other part of the coin. These things are exactly what I like on Heroes games and why I do not like the older ones much (along 2D grapics).
Well that's it. You said it yourself, you do not like the original games while almost everybody coming from these games are pissed off with the direction the series has taken, the direction you say you enjoy. This is why many people say the MMH titles are not "Heroes" games, why so many of us consider they just are another game using the Heroes name to sell and that the true brand died long ago.
It was already hard enough for some of us having to deal with a lore we consider to be atrocious and incredibly lacking any kind of respect towards the original universe we enjoyed, and wanted to see more of it. From the storytelling to the universe to the towns to the creatures to the actual feel and visuals. But now even the mechanics, the actual playstyle of the series is getting seriously altered. Whether one likes it or not is not relevant, what is relevant is that it is something else, but not something else in the good way like some innovation making the series evolve and go further, something else as a different game altogether. And poorly done if you ask me. The way I see it MMH is just something of its own borrowing some elements from the series most people in this forum love but there is close to nothing left for us to enjoy. I wouldn't even mind SO much if the experience proposed had at least some actual substance and that the strategy could benefit from, but it doesn't. As you say yourself now the series are much more RPG driven and please do not forget when I want to play a Heroes game I want to play a turn-based strategy game first and foremost, like Frosty rightly underlines.
So this is why fanrage is huge with how Ubisoft has taken the series, is not for nothing I do a fan-fiction, it literally can be seen as they decided to get rid of all the elements we loved in this franchise and get rid of us at the same time, and gather a new fanbase for a new game, using a notorious name and IP to sell the thing easier. The problem with that -on top of being incredibly stupid from a marketing pov as why would anyone want to chase away already won customers- is that it is bound to backfire, the franchise is too old and has too much history, as well as a strong community. It would be no problem if they would just do their own game and wouldn't use the Heroes name for doing it, although I am not so sure their game would be much success, as if you compare what they do with other RPGs or TBS out there, objectively, without even knowing anything about Heroes, is mediocre. But would be interesting to see nevertheless.
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H5 was the first Heroes game I loved story
Man that's so cute, H5 story sucks big time.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 17, 2016 09:20 PM |
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Antalyan said:
About H5 story: I agree there is a significant difference between H5 and H7 story (as you know I don't know the old ones). H5 was a story more like a fairy tale, H7 has some dilemmas and moral conflicts so I see it to be much further. But do you know better introduction to a brand new world than fairy tale?
This is an insult to fairy tales. I love fairy tales and H5's crap was nothing like one.
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted February 17, 2016 09:46 PM |
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Actually Raelag was very similar to the Phantom of the Opera in the sense he spied on a little girl all her life and turned his twisted pedo-obsession into true love.
I seriously hate Raelag AND the Phantom.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted February 17, 2016 09:55 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
Actually Raelag was very similar to the Phantom of the Opera in the sense he spied on a little girl all her life and turned his twisted pedo-obsession into true love.
I seriously hate Raelag AND the Phantom.
Here I thought Uriel was a bigger pedo towards Anastasya... but at least that story is quite better.
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted February 17, 2016 09:57 PM |
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Regardless, I think we can all agree that Isabel deserved to have her head held underwater until the last bubble went *plip.*
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 17, 2016 10:02 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:04, 17 Feb 2016.
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OmegaDestroyer said:
Actually Raelag was very similar to the Phantom of the Opera in the sense he spied on a little girl all her life and turned his twisted pedo-obsession into true love.
I seriously hate Raelag
The Phantom of the Opera is not a fairytale. And I agree I hate Raelag too, in fact nothing brings the sadist out of me more than the thought of torturing him AHAAHAHAHA. 
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted February 17, 2016 10:19 PM |
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From what I see I realise H5 had characters which great reflect the whole Ashan world - everyone had defined character which did not change much (if at all) during whole game. I enjoyed playing it, although I cannot tell you exactly why - what you write here are in most of cases logical arguments why not to like it so it confuses myself  I liked the story and you can be sure I will think about it for a long time why I did so, to tell you then...
As about the series in general: I understand Heroes games changed since their early beginning and the fact you loved the original games does not mean you have to love the newer ones. But the name has changed a little bit and the train goes forward. It is different than it used to be, I guess this game got some new players thanks to these changes as well as lost.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 17, 2016 10:31 PM |
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Antalyan said:
But the name has changed a little bit and the train goes forward.
No, it doesn't go forward, if anything it goes backwards, and that's the main problem. Sorry you can't admit it, but h6 and h7 are BAD games, Heroes or not.
Fact is NWC iterations are award-winning series and no MMH title was ever received as good as those, there is no excuse about "niche genre" or whatever crap the UbiMM representative will tell people, again, just look at AoW3 for accurate and up to date comparison in the TBS market.
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frostymuaddib
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Supreme Hero
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posted February 17, 2016 10:53 PM |
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Antalyan said:
From what I see I realise H5 had characters which great reflect the whole Ashan world - everyone had defined character which did not change much (if at all) during whole game.
Character progression is part of a good story.
Antalyan said:
As about the series in general: I understand Heroes games changed since their early beginning and the fact you loved the original games does not mean you have to love the newer ones. But the name has changed a little bit and the train goes forward. It is different than it used to be, I guess this game got some new players thanks to these changes as well as lost.
You meant to say train goes backward?
As it was said earlier by a lot of people, Ubivendi is just trying to cash in piece of *bleep* using the name of HoMM series. That makes me sad...  and mad 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 17, 2016 11:16 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Stories before H5 never got interested me, H5 was the first Heroes game I noticed the story a lot (and still remember - but maybe because I have finished it many times  ) Simple, rememberable and in many regards predictable story with maybe too much demons...
H5 (Vanilla) story is indeed memorable, but for the wrong reasons lol
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 17, 2016 11:50 PM |
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted February 17, 2016 11:55 PM |
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I'll find you Stevie
*casts random spell*
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 17, 2016 11:58 PM |
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*casts "disguise" on stevie*
*casts "blind" on frosty*
*casts "mirth" on himself*
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted February 17, 2016 11:58 PM |
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Well it wasn't that bad... just not memorable.
At least it was not as bad as that drug junkies trippy dream called Heroes 6 campaign...
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