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fred79
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posted February 18, 2016 11:10 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 11:11, 18 Feb 2016.
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the problem is, you're comparing a species, to a single entity monster. king kong, godzilla, jaws, they were all the primary focus because they were the ONE baddie snowing snow up. sure, the shark from jaws 2 was just another big shark, which is why it could never match up to the original. but it was still a good movie. they've made movies about lots of killer sharks, and they all sucked. they're b-movie material at best. and why? because nobody has ever taken mass shark attacks seriously. but aliens? a whole RACE of aliens?
xenomorphs are an entire race, and they're not extinct by any means(i don't remember them saying in "alien" that the creature was the last of it's kind; and even if they did, they could have easily not known about the planet full of them).
you're certainly biased against alien 2, and not for a good reason. the first movie, as you said, is a horror movie. the second movie, as you said, is a horror-action. different genre, different appeal. saying you prefer horror movies over action makes sense, but saying that alien 2 sucked just because it was an action-horror movie, and not purely a horror movie, doesn't make sense.
but yeah, potato potahtoe. 
edit: meant to say jaws 2.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 18, 2016 11:26 AM |
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I have no problem with T2 making a family action movie out of a clearcut SciFi-Horror with trash elements - different thing completely, but the two can stand together, and quite well.
Alien and Aliens, though ...
The story is ridiculous. Makes no sense.
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Maurice
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posted February 18, 2016 11:36 AM |
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I'm with JJ on this one for the most part. There's one thing I will note, though: in Alien 1, there was just one Alien vs. the crew of a mining vessel. They didn't have military personnel and/or weapons. In Alien 2, they sent in a squad, armed to the teeth, to handle the problem. This is where the premise of the threat is dropped; you don't have a weak group of humans anymore.
A single alien would have been bug squat for that team, so when making the human side more powerful, they had to make the alien side more powerful too. Being mostly semi-intelligent predators, they couldn't boost an alien by giving it laser guns or rocket launchers; the only way to make them more dangerous was by increasing their numbers.
The major irritation about that movie, though, for me is the scene where they go in and realise (of course moments before the aliens set upon them) that they can't use their firearms in there for risk of blowing up the nuclear reactor where they're close to. I mean, wtf, you didn't consider that before you went in? What retarded is that? After realising the colonists are probably all dead and the installation infested with aliens, why didn't they simply return to the drop ship in orbit and nuke the place from up there? But I guess that's something for the HISHE movies  .
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fred79
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posted February 18, 2016 11:45 AM |
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Maurice said:
The major irritation about that movie, though, for me is the scene where they go in and realise (of course moments before the aliens set upon them) that they can't use their firearms in there for risk of blowing up the nuclear reactor where they're close to. I mean, wtf, you didn't consider that before you went in? What retarded is that? After realising the colonists are probably all dead and the installation infested with aliens, why didn't they simply return to the drop ship in orbit and nuke the place from up there? But I guess that's something for the HISHE movies .
yeah man, but if you're going to nitpick every movie, why even bother watching movies in the first place? especially fantasy movies? they're so fraught with logical and natural-law errors as to make them all ridiculous. you can literally make a comedy spoof about any movie, just for that reason. hell, that's a good reason why they make spoofs.
would it really have been lots of fun seeing a planet nuked from orbit half an hour in? or was it more fun to hear the dude freaking out and screaming, "THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE GODDAMN WALLS!!!"
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fred79
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posted February 18, 2016 11:53 AM |
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@ jj: i like both terminator and terminator 2, but i like terminator 2 better. same thing with alien and aliens. i like both movies, but i prefer aliens because it's so much fun(and it still has a sense of horror. i mean, put yourself in bill paxton's characters' position. you don't think you'd be snowting your pants when these acid-blooded, body-birthing monsters were swarming towards you?). if i want something intellectual, i'll watch an intellectual movie. if i want something that makes you go "cool!", then i'll watch that. aliens and terminator 2 are popcorn movies, no doubt about it. but there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
as for the single-entity-monster horror movie, consider this: exorcist 2 and 3 weren't nearly as good as the original(and neither was jaws 3 and 4, which were abominations). and they still dealt with ONE creature. maurice makes the point, that you have to up the threat, when you up the good guy's position for survival.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 18, 2016 12:32 PM |
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You don't have to "up the threat" - you just have to change something in the setting.
In Aliens the whole setup feels wrong from the getgo.
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Herry
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
100% Devil
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posted February 18, 2016 12:42 PM |
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How did this discussion turn from Heroes-related to movie-related? Fred, you're screwing my thread, get out!
Someone clean this thread pls, it's full of off-topic posts now.
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fred79
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posted February 18, 2016 12:48 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 12:54, 18 Feb 2016.
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Herry said:
How did this discussion turn from Heroes-related to movie-related? Fred, you're screwing my thread, get out!
Someone clean this thread pls, it's full of off-topic posts now.
you mean the thread that directly offends true heroes fans, and anyone with any common sense regarding giving their hard-earned money to a parasitic and abusive company; who helped to drag the heroes name through the mud, no less? and released their bowels all over the fans when they demanded an explanation for the hype, or even a refund?
is this REALLY your perspective? okeedokee, little buddy.
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Herry
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted February 18, 2016 01:02 PM |
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Did I ever say I was buying the game? Anywhere? I'm talking about playing it. There is a big difference.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 18, 2016 01:04 PM |
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It's not. You respect the fact that someone made a good game by buying it. Period.
If it's not good, though - why play it in the first place?
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Avirosb
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Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 18, 2016 01:15 PM |
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Herry said:
Did I ever say I was buying the game? Anywhere? I'm talking about playing it. There is a big difference.
If it's not worth buying, why even steal it?
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fred79
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posted February 18, 2016 01:16 PM |
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Herry said:
Did I ever say I was buying the game? Anywhere? I'm talking about playing it. There is a big difference.
let me put it this way: if you were an ewok, and your planet had been overrun by the empire, would you want to give them money for cakes they made, that wasn't as good as what you had, before they took your little ewok cake-stand over in the course of raping your planet?
do you see what i'm driving at? those cakes you are questioning people here into buying, are EMPIRE snow CAKES. they taste like snow, and they smell like snow, and the people selling them are laughing at you, because you PAID FOR THEM, and you DEMAND MORE. just because they might look like something edible, doesn't mean you should buy them and eat them, from the people who took over your planet, stole your cake recipe, and turned into a mud-pie recipe.
do you see why you might be setting yourself up for failure, trying to sell these snow cakes to other ewoks, when both you and they KNOW these are snow cakes, and not the cakes they're so used to dining on, and SOLD BY THE EMPIRE, WHO snowED YOU AND YOUR PLANET? hmmm?
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Herry
Bad-mannered
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posted February 18, 2016 01:16 PM |
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No offence, but this is like trying to herd a pack of retarded packs. Did I ever say that I knew if it's worth buying or not? Did I?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 18, 2016 01:17 PM |
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fred79
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posted February 18, 2016 01:19 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:20, 18 Feb 2016.
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Herry said:
No offence, but this is like trying to herd a pack of retarded packs. Did I ever say that I knew if it's worth buying or not? Did I?
no offense, but we're retarded for you asking a question as bad as the one you posed in the op?
herry, you're so cute, i could just hug you.
edit: btw, you should read the post right above your last one. because you might understand then. 
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lanteean
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posted February 18, 2016 01:37 PM |
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Elvin said:
Out of curiosity, what did happen? Other than not including armageddon's blade and shadow of death that is.
Heroes III HD was a letdown for me, because:
1.only 4 slots for artifacts on the side of hero (so - no statue of legion)
2. even if i had all the elements of the armor of undead set, it will not transform and give me the bonus (i suspect it's the same with Angelic Alliance and other artifact sets)
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fred79
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posted February 18, 2016 01:43 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:47, 18 Feb 2016.
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the only good thing i saw about homm3hd, was that we got some improved graphics to play with. that's it. i was temporarily sated by that, but my lust for better heroes and my hatred for a company that raped the franchise and it's fans for all they could, you know... stopped my appreciation for homm3hd in it's tracks.
i don't see why they couldn't just redo the graphics entirely, using the same methods nwc did. that would've gave us graphics from all 3 base homm3 game versions; even if they couldn't present an improved game otherwise.
the way it is, is they just took someone else's work, and released it as theirs. and they didn't even do THAT right. there's still visual errors in the layering of the graphics they released. it was purely for profit, with very minimal work involved.
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frostymuaddib
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Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted February 18, 2016 02:32 PM |
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lanteean said:
1.only 4 slots for artifacts on the side of hero (so - no statue of legion)
2. even if i had all the elements of the armor of undead set, it will not transform and give me the bonus (i suspect it's the same with Angelic Alliance and other artifact sets)
That is because those features were introduced with expansion packs that were not included in MMH3 HD. If you really want updated H3 game, just use HD mod + Hota/EraII.
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lanteean
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posted February 18, 2016 03:12 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
lanteean said:
1.only 4 slots for artifacts on the side of hero (so - no statue of legion)
2. even if i had all the elements of the armor of undead set, it will not transform and give me the bonus (i suspect it's the same with Angelic Alliance and other artifact sets)
That is because those features were introduced with expansion packs that were not included in MMH3 HD. If you really want updated H3 game, just use HD mod + Hota/EraII.
Didnt' know that, thanx. Yes, Heroes 3 (GOG)+ HD mod + ERA is nice( the only drawback is that when i increase resolution, the playing window is smaller (for 1080 the window is really small, so i decided to make a compromise)
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted February 18, 2016 04:44 PM |
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Edited by Zeki at 16:45, 18 Feb 2016.
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I play with hd mod but in the game's normal resolution. I don't like it when the townscreen etc. is only windowed, is very immersion breaking for me but i love the bonus features of the mod.
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