Salamandre said:

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Capitalism, finances and information rule the world. Key jobs in those fields are majorly hold by zionists, in all important democracies.

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artu said:

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@Sal

That is a propaganda originating from the 1930's.

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Syjoniści będą coraz bardziej prowokować, by zdobyć wzgórze świątynne. Kiedy wojska otoczą ze wszystkich stron Jerozolimę,
wiedzcie, że ogłoszą oni swojego „mesjasza” i wybudują ołtarz ofiarny. To doprowadzi do poważnego konfliktu, który podburzy
narody spod znaku półksiężyca.

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Izrael jako potęga militarna będzie coraz bardziej manifestować swoją siłę, mówiąc o swoim przeznaczeniu pośród wszystkich
narodów ziemi. W ten sposób będzie udowadniać, że czas jego „mesjańskiego przeznaczenia” wypełnia się. To wszystko zostało
już dokładnie przygotowane, ponieważ zmiana rządów w krajach sąsiadujących z Izraelem została zaplanowana. Wszelkie
działania służą do wywołania większego konfliktu, by wciągnąć coraz więcej narodów w jego plany.

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Moje kochane dzieci, pamiętajcie, że zmilitaryzowany Izrael nie myśli o pokoju, gdyż tylko w [atmosferze] chaosu i prowokacji
może ogłosić swojego fałszywego „mesjasza”. Dwa święte miasta, [Jerozolima i Rzym], staną się sceną, gdzie nie będzie
widoczne światło prawdy. Bóg dopuści, aby właśnie tam okazało swoją potęgę zło, by w ten sposób dokonał się podział na tych,
którzy są wytrwali w wierze, oraz na wątpiących i niezdecydowanych. Próba, która wyjdzie z tych dwóch miast, jest znakiem nie
tylko podziału, lecz także przemiany

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Blizzardboy said:

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@sal:I don't seem to have much trouble finding media criticism of Israeli colonization of Palestinian communities.

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Salamandre said:

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There are 60+ UN resolution condemning Israel for its present and past actions, show me who else got that record.

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Salamandre said:

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Blizzardboy said:

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@sal:I don't seem to have much trouble finding media criticism of Israeli colonization of Palestinian communities.

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Well, America is very different, fortunately. Where I live, journalists criticizing Israel are no longer invited and black listed - Galaad can confirm, showmen joking on Israel/jews have their shows cancelled then prosecuted, bloggers have their blogs deleted, people saying that earth is plate are considered clowns but when saying the holocaust didn't exist they are thrown in prison due to some dumb law, then to the usual accusation of racism, a new wacky term was invented, the anti-Semitic. So you don't have to convince me about some "conspiracy" I support, as I said it doesn't bother me to extreme as those jews in key jobs didn't seize their jobs, if you work harder and become better, you can replace them.

And about Israel doing what others do as well, no. There are 60+ UN resolution condemning Israel for its present and past actions, show me who else got that record. I am however torn on such matters, as after seeing Arab immigration disastrous effects on EU, I understand better the complexity around Israel defending itself and being surrounded. But also such people uses the past oppression and genocide to get a free card for doing whatever it pleases them, then when you object, you are remembered the '30 era.

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Blizzardboy said:

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@sal:

I don't seem to have much trouble finding media criticism of Israeli colonization of Palestinian communities. You won't find so much on conservative outlets but that is because ideologically they are more sympathetic to Israel.

It's not front and center on the news because there are injustices happening all over the world and Israel gets disproportionate amounts of attention as it is. As we are speaking right now there are Christian communities literally getting raped and brutalized with the government turning a blind eye and it's not on the news much because nobody cares, especially in Europe where it is standard etiquette to be self-depracating.

Israel enjoys leverage but not as much leverage as Saudi Arabia gets, who is literally supplying weapons and mercenaries for a civil war as we speak. They're both American allies/pets and as long as they concede to X, Y, and Z, then the alliance is going to stay intact unless they do something really wild.

Is it unjust? Yep. Are Palestinians being treated unfairly? Yep. Do large segments of Middle Eastern Muslims want to commit genocide on Israel? Also yep.
So good luck fixing the problem. People have been trying for awhile.

Is this unique to Israel? No.

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Salamandre said:

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That is because authentic anti-Semitism is rampant in France. Do a Google search on Jews leaving France. They want out because the country's Vichy past is very much alive today. The problem you have from that is that when you have so much lewd anti-Semitism, it becomes increasingly difficult even to talk about legitimate criticism towards the Isareli state because the two often end up blended together.

The US doesn't have that  history so it is much easier to talk about the subject in a cool-headed manner.

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