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Vlaad
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posted March 09, 2006 07:32 PM |
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Wow! Thanks for the replies! That sure cleared up some things... Now that I know what I'm looking for, I'll be able to look it up online. 
Both of you seem to have read A LOT, especially superheroes...? What would your Top Ten list look like?
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posted March 09, 2006 11:44 PM |
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Both of you seem to have read A LOT, especially superheroes...? What would your Top Ten list look like?
1) The Watchmen(1990's): Written by Alan Moore and Drawn by David Gibbons. This is a comic book set in the 80's as if superheroes exist, but have been deemed vigilantic outlaws by something called the keene act. The only heroes that AREN'T outlawed are the ones working in the military for the war in Iraq. It follows a select few heroes on how they are adjusting and it has alot of flashbacks to when Superheroes were loved by all.
2) Sandman(1990's): Written by Neil Gaiman and drawn by a number of Artists. Sandman is alot of short stories combined to tell tales about the king of dreams. It has many arcs featuring him, and some arcs are about past events that were actually influenced by him. It's an amazing fantasy oriented book that has loose tie-in's with the DC universe.
3) The Ultimates(Current): Written by Mark Millar and Drawn by David Finch. This is The Ultimate version of the Avengers, which I believe you said that you get so I won't talk about this as much. The reason I like it is it gives a very gritty realistic feel to the classic Avengers. The Idea that hulk could never join them pleases me (As hulk is my favorite Comic "Super hero")
4) The Incredible Hulk (Issue 200 something through 300 something, and current): Written by Peter David and Drawn by a number of Pencilists including Dave Gibbons, Angel Medina, Todd Mcfarlene, and Liam Sharpe. Hulk turning gray, turning smart, joining the pantheon, and reverting back to a savage monster was all written under the Wing of Peter David, one of my favorite comic book writers (Who has currently come back to Incredible Hulk!). He knows just when to switch things up so you don't get bored. For a while he had The gray hulk working as a Las Vegas Leg Breaker named 'Mr. Fixit' (Some of the best of his work!)
5) Daredevil(Current): Written by Brian Michael Bendis and Drawn by Alex Maleev. One thing about this that I didn't mention was the art. One word, Amazing. The art gives you a feeling of Noir that no other comic has projected in me. Very Dark Book.
6) Powers (I think it's current still): Written by Brian Michael Bendis and Michael Avon Oeming. This is a comic book that stars a charicter named Walker who is a detective involved in the murder of people with powers. He knows more about these situations because he, at one point in his life, had powers of his own. Great story, great art, great book. This began as an image comic and recently switched to marvel.
7) The Exiles (Current): Written and Drawn by many. This is a comic about a group of people from different dimensions that have to fix other dimensions. It's nice to see some of the old school marvel charicters be brought back as major players so it adds alot of depth to mess around with the marvel universe.
8) The Runaways (Current): Can't remember who it's written or drawn by but it's amazing! It's about a team of kids that found out there parents were super villains, so the decide to become super heroes.
9) Ultimate Spiderman (All the way until they kill Gwen Stacey...): Written by Brian Michael Bendis and drawn by Mark Bagley. Again, you know the ultimate universe.
10) Aquaman (Peter David years): Peter David is the man who made Aquaman badass... period. He made him grow out his hair and go shirtless. He even made a school of Pirahna's eat off his hand (But only so he could replace it with a badass trident!). Aquaman is the man.... and Aquatic...
So there you have it. That's my top ten list... it was a little long, and obviously I love marvel. Anyway yeah... I hope you read some of those!
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posted March 10, 2006 02:09 PM |
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1) The Watchmen(1990's): Written by Alan Moore and Drawn by David Gibbons. This is a comic book set in the 80's as if superheroes exist, but have been deemed vigilantic outlaws by something called the keene act. The only heroes that AREN'T outlawed are the ones working in the military for the war in Iraq. It follows a select few heroes on how they are adjusting and it has alot of flashbacks to when Superheroes were loved by all.
I've read Watchmen, of course! The book was published and set in the 1980s (not 1990s), actually. The war doesn't take place in Iraq - it is about Vietnam.
Trivia aside, it's #1 on my list, too!
Needless to say, Moore is the Dostoevsky of comic books (although he will forever stick with superheroes). I wish someone else had drawn the book, though; while Gibbons is an excellent artist, he's never had a unique style... Then again, I can't imagine Miller doing the Watchmen, since Moore's scripts are known to be "artist-proof"  (allowing little or no freedom for the artists).
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2) Sandman(1990's): Written by Neil Gaiman and drawn by a number of Artists. Sandman is alot of short stories combined to tell tales about the king of dreams. It has many arcs featuring him, and some arcs are about past events that were actually influenced by him. It's an amazing fantasy oriented book that has loose tie-in's with the DC universe.
I could never read those, simply because the artwork has often been on the rough side. What a pity...! 
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3) The Ultimates(Current): Written by Mark Millar and Drawn by David Finch. This is The Ultimate version of the Avengers, which I believe you said that you get so I won't talk about this as much. The reason I like it is it gives a very gritty realistic feel to the classic Avengers. The Idea that hulk could never join them pleases me (As hulk is my favorite Comic "Super hero")
Although considered to be one of their founders, the Hulk has never truly been a member of the original Avengers either. Let's face it - however valuable he is, he could never be a team player. (Well, except for the P. David's era, but Hulk is essentially a Dr Jekyll of the nuclear age).
Anyway, if you read my posts on the previous page, you could tell "the Earth's mightiest heroes" have always been among my favorites (Childish? So sue me! )
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4) The Incredible Hulk (Issue 200 something through 300 something, and current): Written by Peter David and Drawn by a number of Pencilists including Dave Gibbons, Angel Medina, Todd Mcfarlene, and Liam Sharpe. Hulk turning gray, turning smart, joining the pantheon, and reverting back to a savage monster was all written under the Wing of Peter David, one of my favorite comic book writers (Who has currently come back to Incredible Hulk!). He knows just when to switch things up so you don't get bored. For a while he had The gray hulk working as a Las Vegas Leg Breaker named 'Mr. Fixit' (Some of the best of his work!)
Damn, I wish I read more Hulk stuff, we could have a nice chat now...
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5) Daredevil(Current): Written by Brian Michael Bendis and Drawn by Alex Maleev. One thing about this that I didn't mention was the art. One word, Amazing. The art gives you a feeling of Noir that no other comic has projected in me. Very Dark Book.
Heh, I've written a negative comment on Maleev's style earlier... Oh well, I admit he's good, but not my cup of tea!
However, nothing compares to Miller's run... NOTHING!
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6) Powers (I think it's current still): Written by Brian Michael Bendis and Michael Avon Oeming. This is a comic book that stars a charicter named Walker who is a detective involved in the murder of people with powers. He knows more about these situations because he, at one point in his life, had powers of his own. Great story, great art, great book. This began as an image comic and recently switched to marvel.
Yeah, a nice title. It gets a bit wordy sometimes, though...
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9) Ultimate Spiderman (All the way until they kill Gwen Stacey...): Written by Brian Michael Bendis and drawn by Mark Bagley. Again, you know the ultimate universe.
But the art is terrible...!?
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posted March 10, 2006 05:54 PM |
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Heh, I've written a negative comment on Maleev's style earlier... Oh well, I admit he's good, but not my cup of tea!
However, nothing compares to Miller's run... NOTHING!
See, thing is, I don't like Millers art. I think he's a great storyteller. I loved Dark Night Returns. But if you'd read Dark Night Strikes again, you might be on my side (Or maybe you have!). I love everything he has done to Daredevil and Batman. I was not a fan of Sin City. Every time I read that I kept thinking to myself "This would be better as a movie." Funny how things work out, eh?
Rorschach is my favorite of all time... him and Hulk.
Shoot I have to go, I've got a meeting!!!!!!!!
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posted March 10, 2006 07:41 PM |
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LOL hope you were not late
Anyway, here's my list (superheroes only):
1) Watchmen
Like The_Olympian has already written above, it is the ultimate superhero book, written by A. Moore and drawn by D. Gibbons. This is as good as it gets.
2) Dark Knight Returns
A masterpiece by Frank Miller and surely the best Batman story ever, the book launched the era of "grim and gritty" comics (along with the Watchmen, which also came out in 1986).
3) Kingdom Come
Shamelessly based on Moore's rejected script ("Twilight"), the series was written by Mark Waid and painted by Alex Ross, arguably the hottest artist of the '90s. The compelling story features the downfall of DC icons, focusing on Superman's dilemma: to be a man or a god?
The next seven titles on my top ten list are in no particular order:
Teen Titans by Marv Wolfman and George Perez, one of few good DC titles in the Bronze Age and better than X-Men at the time ('nuff said)
Avengers by Roy Thomas and John Buscema (The Ultimates are the modern take on these classic stories)
Silver Surfer by Stan Lee and John Buscema, a Marvel's take on Christ and God
Spider-Man by Stan Lee and John Romita Sr, the very best of "your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man"
Daredevil by Frank Miller, the run which paved way for Dark Knight and introduced noir in superheroes
JLA by Grant Morrison, epic plots and fun characterization in the tradition of Marvel's Silver Age books
Marvels by Alex Ross, similar to his Kingdom Come, but from the perspective of an ordinary man
Hmmm... Now I realize I haven't listed anything by Jack Kirby... No John Byrne either... Fantastic Four, I guess?
What about other non-superhero books?
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posted March 10, 2006 08:15 PM |
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See, thing is, I don't like Millers art. I think he's a great storyteller. I loved Dark Night Returns. But if you'd read Dark Night Strikes again, you might be on my side (Or maybe you have!).
Blasphemy!!!
The fact is, I've always thought storytelling is part of comic book art! I don't mean the script, but the way the artists composes the page, controls the pace, changes the angles etc. Nobody is better than Miller at that... His art may look unpolished, but it is done on purpose, to get a sort of arty look.
Yes, I've read DK2 and while I thought it was fun, it wasn't as serious as its prequel. According to Miller's interviews, that was exactly the point! 
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posted March 10, 2006 09:09 PM |
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The fact is, I've always thought storytelling is part of comic book art! I don't mean the script, but the way the artists composes the page, controls the pace, changes the angles etc. Nobody is better than Miller at that... His art may look unpolished, but it is done on purpose, to get a sort of arty look.
Hmmm... So is Maleev's art!
My favorite Comic book Artist is..... ummm... uhh... probably Alex Maleev or David Finch. Oh, and David Mack! And of course the old school artists like John Romita, Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby. I really liked Todd Mcfarlene's Art before he went to spawn.
As for Sandman, I don't mean to sound forward or pushy or anything but READ IT!!!! I guarantee you you will look past the choppy art once you realize the brilliance of the Story. Trust me, it's right up there with the Watchmen... I actually have some inner turmoil when it comes to which one is my favorite, so PLEASE read it!
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posted March 10, 2006 10:16 PM |
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As for Sandman, I don't mean to sound forward or pushy or anything but READ IT!!!! I guarantee you you will look past the choppy art once you realize the brilliance of the Story. Trust me, it's right up there with the Watchmen... I actually have some inner turmoil when it comes to which one is my favorite, so PLEASE read it!
Actually, I've got two good issues in my collection - the first one is the first appearance of Death, while the other story features Shakespeare... Very good, but the artwork is average at best.
Two tradepaperbacks have just been published here, so I'll give it a try, I guess!
Where do you rank Sandman among non-superhero books?
(By the way, I AM aware of its cult classic status and historical significance, but I'm asking for your personal impressions.)
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posted March 11, 2006 02:26 AM |
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Um... I'd have to say it's the only comic book in history to win an award as literature (and not comic book), and it's well deserved.
Neil Gaiman is my favorite Author of all time. If you haven't had a chance to pick up and read a Book called American Gods (My favorite book), do so.... that is, if you read books hahaha.
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posted March 11, 2006 08:34 AM |
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Um... I'd have to say it's the only comic book in history to win an award as literature (and not comic book), and it's well deserved.
What about Maus? It got Pulitzer! Or that wasn't for literature...?
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Neil Gaiman is my favorite Author of all time. If you haven't had a chance to pick up and read a Book called American Gods (My favorite book), do so.... that is, if you read books hahaha.
Actually, I had English and American literature at university...
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posted March 12, 2006 09:53 PM |
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It seems all good threads at HC feature scantily clad ladies, so here's an attempt to revive our comic book club:
Speaking of which... Who's your favorite comics' babe?
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The_Olympian
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posted March 13, 2006 07:25 PM |
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Possibly Black Canary for DC (or Zatanna)
Marvel is Either Emma Frost or Black Widow.
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posted March 26, 2006 12:15 AM |
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terje_the_ma...
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posted March 26, 2006 03:37 AM |
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Speaking of which... Who's your favorite comics' babe?
It's hard to decide between Gaiman's "Death" and Carey's "Mazikeen". (Ok, Mazikeen is originally Gaiman's, too, but for some reason, I never liked her as much there. )
Btw, I'm considering to start on some super hero comics, soon, and I was wondering if anyone could give me a good hint as to where to begin?
The closest thing I've come to a "traditional" super hero comic in the past years, is "Marvel 1602" (yeah, I'm a Gaiman fanboy ), so I would really appreciate some pointers.
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I could never read those, simply because the artwork has often been on the rough side. What a pity...!
I've never seen that as a problem. It adds to the reading experience, often as not, since it leaves something to the imagination. And the art of Sandman is often underestimated, most of it is truly magnificently drawn, but some people just get caught up in the more "weirdly drawn" stories...
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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posted June 15, 2006 07:27 PM |
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Just found an interesting book called Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi... This black & white comic strip is a memoir of the writer's life in Iran.
I love "the slice of life" approach.
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posted July 01, 2006 10:32 AM |
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YESSSSS!!!
I've finally managed to read all the "Sandman : Doll's House". (Thx to the public library, Lol. It's really hard to find the issues at Comic Book stores, now. Too bad the library doesn't sell it.) Anyways, the entire story is magnificent. It's a masterpiece and highly recommended.
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posted July 01, 2006 06:48 PM |
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All right! I just finished reading another one, Sandman : Brief Lives. It's not as good as Doll's House, but it's pretty amazing and has a funny side in the storyline.
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I've been drawing a comic book based on Heroes V. It is called Ghosts from the Past. Like most fans, I missed the great heroes of the yesteryear such as Gelu, Sandro, Solmyr etc. Now they are back... well, kind of.
I've done 6 pages so far. You can see them HERE.
Any feedback - good or bad - is welcome.
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posted July 17, 2006 09:03 AM |
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In a traditionnal Rhodan way, I'd like to let you know that Comics have always been a hughe part of my life (I partly learned how to read thx to them, pretty early too). But in fact, I only recently noticed this here thread, and it wouldn't feel right to NOT make a loooong Legendary post to properly introduce the comics writer and fan parts of myself to y'all before I burst in and make a comment outta the blue.
So, when / if I can, I'll do so. You're a pretty talented artist as far as I can tell, Vlaad.
I'd like to see more of your works, in fact.   
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posted October 30, 2006 08:36 AM |
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"Ghosts of the Past" ends soon, so - if you care - check out the Celestial Heavens' comics page later this week.
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