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destro23
Promising
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posted September 28, 2008 01:28 AM |
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Thats very good to hear Infinitus!
I must admit that playing vs you with you as ossir felt sortof hopeless to me, it seemed you had it to a science, and on that you should be commended 
But as I mentioned in other posts.. Heroes 5 only becomes fun when one discovers the massive diversity and endless combinations one can try to win with
I don't care about losing one bit... but I sure don't like feeling hopeless 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 01:35 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 01:50, 28 Sep 2008.
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lol... how did this turn into attacking Jinxer?
Why is it... Jinxer is not entitled to voice an opinion without becoming all out war
Sylvan and Acadamy are BY far the strongest most Dominate towns with the MOST weapons in there arsenal!
Sylvan has:
Rain of Arrows (attacking multiple enemies in one turn)
Imbue Arrow
3 Favorite Enemies
Arcane Archers!
Treants (with 100 defense)
Acadamy has:
MOTW (attacking multiple enemies in one turn or Rezing multiple stacks in 1 turn.)
Mini Arts ( that increase initative and attack defense on all units )
No other towns have such deep weapons with so many battle options that all happen at same time in battle. For example with in 1 round, sylvan can cast Rain of Arrows/imbue /Metoer that strikes EVERY enemy unit.. Then next to act Arcane archers that hit with favorite damage.
Other towns dont have the ability to do that much damage in 1 round.
Guess my point is.. that as a map maker.. it is very difficult to make a map and try and find the perfect balance. its always on on going learning experience. Always open to suggestions. I am currently happy with Acadamies balance.. Now need to tweak sylvan a little bit... Cause with all there weapons and add logistics and WarPath.. they can creep way way faster then everyone else and show up before others can be ready.. Any time I play them.. there is almost no challage to creeping.. Just Put arcanes on and warpath and roll.
*** On a side note... I always thought it would be kewl to play a game where opponent chose your Main hero... Basically have a game with each player using the worst hero from there respective town and make the best of it.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 07:20 AM |
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To Jinxer - My Haven is faster on Genesis compared to Sylvan Ossir. The fastest faction on Genesis is Orcs, they have very easy access to snatch skill (no time lost to board ships), so easy to take enemy sunken temple ... Ban Ossir, and i will ban your "banana" map ....
Academy can have from mini arts hi level magic proof + anti magic golems ... No reason to go destruction with Sylvan on Genesis, destruction is dead on Genesis for Sylvan ... Without light magic + resurrection Sylvan can't pass this mega guards.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 07:30 AM |
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Acadamy has:
MOTW (attacking multiple enemies in one turn or Rezing multiple stacks in 1 turn.)
Mini Arts ( that increase initative and attack defense on all units )
Your understand on academy is not correct. This town is very hard for play good. Wizard up 45% knolege/30% spel power. its mean he will have hell much knolege and its not useful in final battles and decent spel power but less from dungeon/necro. On lvl 21 Wizard will have ~ 2/3/8/12 primary skills. For BALANCE game wizard have his ultimate skill to make mini arts. Because he up so low att/deff and when he fight vs any other race and dont have mini arts he is much weak. Because with high knolege mini arts can be so strong ubi make them to cost alot. If you compare other races only Haven need to pay money for use his special ability. For all other races its FREE. But haven up main att/deff and he can survive here. If we need compare balance for academy vs other races on 2 type maps--> very rich or very poor. Rich maps will give better balance because all races will can use his special ability vs very poor were Academy/haven will cant.
I dont want genesis to be easy and rich but now he is very poor from resurces for academy. You can make calcualtions from where on map what resurces can be gather. If we calc theoretically i can get all mines on day 1 its will be for end week 5--> 35 cristals/gem/merc/sulfur. On map have 1 Dwarven Treasury and 1 Vault of the Mages. From here you can get ~10 cristal and 20 gem averge. So far its most wanted resurces for sylvan How i can find more merc/sulfures on map in real. If you calc how much need academy for build his town he cant have merc/sulfur for mini arts. Necro will have hell problems with merc too but maybe he can trade gem/cristals. Inferno will have same problems. Dwarf/sylvan/haven need main gem/cristals so map will be ok for them and haven will can train some army.
Just find way to bring on map more merc/sulfures and maybe all will be ok for all races.
p.s. Just wake up dont have time for chek for language mistakes. Time for coffee.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 09:10 AM |
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To Jinxer - I not attack you, it's defense reaction
Here, example - if we take a look to replay section of Warcraft 3 site, we see many comments like - look how imbalanced are orcs, they win so easy this game ... Another replay - look how imbalanced are elf's, they win with no effort this game... World is full of criers you know, but for Warcraft 3 this is not important, cos community is big and influence of crying people is low ... Now take a look to TOH, a few people playing (compared to 1000 games on, anytime, for WC3, very few), if 3 people cry - this is imba, ban is inevitable ...
From my gaming online experience 90% of people after loosing a game don't try to analyze why they loose, watch the replay of final battle, ask for help in forum, they simple say - what a stupid game, drunken Nival, you are so lucky, etc ...
And let's see what you do Jinxer then you loose a game ... You start tread with name like another silliness ... and go "balancing" your map ...
In final a joke ... On TOH is very popular now words like - i feel so pissed, everything can happen to my now ... Final solution - go buy pampers, help a lot !
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 09:37 AM |
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First of all, I'd like to remind you what Insa said - mapmaker has a licence to kill So don't attack Jinx!
Secondly, nancy's resource calculation was obviously very crooked as didn't include 3 dwarven mines, windmills, abundance of lying resource piles. I played with dwarfs there and the amount of resources for runes ready for final battle was impressive. Academy can use them for miniarts, obviously.
Thirdly, refrain from banning heroes, mate! Let the players do the "correction" job by mutual agreement. Wyngaal and Urgath are the only super heroes, imo. Anyway, the less banning you do YOURSELF, the less whining there will be 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 09:53 AM |
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Secondly, nancy's resource calculation was obviously very crooked as didn't include 3 dwarven mines, windmills, abundance of lying resource piles. I played with dwarfs there and the amount of resources for runes ready for final battle was impressive. Academy can use them for miniarts, obviously.
My calc include only what is 100% sure on map. Dwarven mines give random resurces (1 per day)and you cant get them all enough early. Windmills give random too 3-6 1 time per week. I mean we have inbalance on gem/cristals vs merc/sulfur on map. Its prety important to be cover with personal attacks. About dwarfs. I have game with them too. They dont have any resurces problems here.
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You realy dont know when to stop. In my last ~10 post i dont use any personal attack vs you. Look like is time to end it from where this start. To be continue...
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 10:10 AM |
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In my last ~10 post i dont use any personal attack vs you. Look like is time to end it from where this start. To be continue...
Your pet name is not an attack - it's just pet name Last 10 posts, hmm?? Looking back in Ultimate drama thread I spot several places where my name was brought up by you together with slandering (not related to awards)... 
P.s. Sry, Jinx, for polluting your map thread. Not any more!
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 28, 2008 06:06 PM |
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You didnt pollute my thread Strider... your post in no way attacked Elit.. what you said about available Resources was correct.
And for the record... I never said I was intending to ban Ossir...lol... so not sure why Infinitus got his panties in a bunch.
I merely stated taht Ossir is DAMN strong and that "If I tried to ban him there would be a MOB " Obviously he is not banned and I have no intention of banning him.
This all boils down to dome people dont actually read what is written in post.. or there english is not very good.
** on A side note for Elits calculations... there is also an Elemental Stockpile that can give 10 of each reasource... AND when you beat guards at LIbrary you get +2 of each resource.
I do appreciate your suggestions Elit... but having played the 10+ times I know from personal experience that getting enough resources to build mini arts week 6 is very possible.. And have had opponents make it happen aslo... so I think after you have played the map 6+ you will come to see this as well.
Again it all boils down to expectations of a map.. Just the other day I was playing BattleZone with Jorko... and I made the comment to Fiur.. about how EFFORTless building was for 2 towns on that map... sooo many re[sources... had to put no thought or strategic consideration into how and where and when yo gain the resources... Full build in 2 towns and Full mini arts week 4-5 is effortless.
Now once people are used to that kinda of playing... when they now play on a map that was designed to be for the more advanced player.. where creeping and micro management is actually important in a game... they are caught off guard.
Its kinga like learning to ride a bike.. at first its hard then its simple and you never forget.. but then you try to ride a UNIcycle, and ofcourse will claim it is Impossible and no fun. Until you take the time to ReLearn how to ride this tuffer bike.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 07:44 PM |
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Its kinga like learning to ride a bike.. at first its hard then its simple and you never forget.. but then you try to ride a UNIcycle, and ofcourse will claim it is Impossible and no fun. Until you take the time to ReLearn how to ride this tuffer bike.
Rare yet shrewd eloquence from your side 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 29, 2008 03:24 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 15:28, 29 Sep 2008.
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I am working on a nice NEW update for Genesis-v1.3
The biggest change is there will now be incentive to use the 3rd passage to opponent. The never used Titan/Pheonix garrison path, now has 2 relics to offer .... the same as the other 2 break points.. So now each break point is equal and can be considered based on best strategy etc. As the pictures show below... you will break the garrison... and enter the subgate... taking you to a new location where there are 2 relics available. Then you can either choose to re-emerge back to same place you entered and continue on to attack opponent.. OR you can go up thru the OTHER sub exit and emerge at the Other Garrison and continue to opponent thru a different way... Thusly adding actually a 4th option on how to engage your opponents area.
Before I post this.. I would like to check with some of the regular Genesis players and see if there is any other bugs or tweaks that they feel NEEDS done in this update.
I have already fixed the Caravan Blocking issue for Teal.. after talking to Infinitus.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 29, 2008 03:40 PM |
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted September 29, 2008 03:51 PM |
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yep...thats even better.Also, fire said smth u might wanna see. I'll send it to u as soon as I see u online.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted September 29, 2008 05:11 PM |
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OKay... that issue that FireDragon Found is now fixed in the upcoming 1.3 release.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 29, 2008 05:26 PM |
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Wow, this look like Genesis 2.0 not 1.3 Nice, nice ... How about to make little island on see better looking ? I feel this island have less good design compared to other parts of the map.
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Nothing's impossible
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 29, 2008 06:06 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 18:14, 29 Sep 2008.
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OKay... I touched them up a bit so they look a bit more aestetically pleasing.. less box like
If I dont hear anything else.. I will post this later on today.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 30, 2008 07:50 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 19:51, 30 Sep 2008.
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Clay_Man
Known Hero
TOH gamer
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posted October 07, 2008 07:57 PM |
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Edited by Clay_Man at 19:59, 07 Oct 2008.
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First of all this is a great map Jinxer!
I had only 3 games so far on it (2 others still running), and I didn't have any problems with gold/resources in the long run, but I always felt that the first days (and 1st week) is pretty rough. Why? Because in the first few days you have to hire at least 2 more heroes (one as picker and the other is for scouting/taking water zone), which leaves you with around 10-12 gold. That wouldn't be a problem if there were some exp. boosts other than the chests, but if i take gold from chests, I'll miss a few key lvl-ups, so either way you'll be in a little disadvantage.
My suggestion would be to place a few free gold piles around the town, or reduce the cost of logs hut. Maybe a guarded sphinx in 2nd ore/wood mine zone which gives you gold or xp.
Btw here's a replay VEX as vittorio vs my Kragh. It seems that kragh's spec. is bugged with barbarian artie set (and swift mind as well), but the battle was really good & fun nevertheless This final occured on week 5 day 7.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 07, 2008 08:12 PM |
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That was some good pounding 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted October 13, 2008 11:31 PM |
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I'm wonder how none is notice orc is very unbalanced here
Pile of Skulls is reqest citadel so better enable it in next version Jinxer.
Dont forget to enable Razzak from academy too.
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