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posted January 03, 2009 02:05 PM |
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Don't forget that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Optics are not everything, and attraction is a lot mre than that.
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posted January 03, 2009 02:43 PM |
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Unattractive girls thinking they are beautiful are far worse. Big ego is always worse than some doubts ;/
Yeah... This is worse than doubts.
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Doomforge
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posted January 03, 2009 03:48 PM |
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Don't forget that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Optics are not everything, and attraction is a lot mre than that.
Didn't mean beauty. I mean that overconfident girls are meh.
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posted January 03, 2009 04:19 PM |
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Mytical:
The problem with that idea is that the only part of guys considered sexual is their "twigs and berries". Whereas with females, the parts that they have that are associated with intimacy are not limited to "down there".
That said, I'm no fan of guys walking around outside with no shirts on.
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what has morality got to do with sex? 
oh man don't tell me you don't actually know because the net is full. People like to ask over and over and over again about stuff so why explain anyway? 
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What really irks me, and I mean really really irks me..is the double standard you seem to be implying. A guy goes out without a shirt on a hot day..that is perfectly ok. Men can dress pretty much however they want (short of their twigs and berries hanging out) but a woman should dress a certain way..just because you can't control your own hormones?
Heck women should be able to go out barechested if guys can, and not be considered any less for it. This is not the 1900 guys, females should have all the rights guys do. Please oh please don't tell me you think yourself superior to them.
Two things to note:
1) Who said that guys going around naked is any better? Of course it's not for ME, since I am a guy and not gay, so I can't comment on that. It doesn't mean it isn't for gays or women though (though I may not know anyway), and I would perfectly understand them.
Again, I can't make a fuss out of it, not because I don't consider women equal, but because I am a straight GUY, and I can't perceive guys as a woman or gay would.
2) Who said that women are the same? Sure they may have the same rights, but they are not the same. If that makes me sexist for speaking the TRUTH, so be it.
Does saying that black people are different than white and that they absorb more light make me racist? Does saying that men have a **** and women don't make me sexist?
Does not allowing women on a stage because the scene I'm filming is about two guys interacting make me sexist as well?
What if I want to take some medical pictures of ****s? Does that make me sexist because women are no use to me?
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Look beyond the outside for a blasted moment, get to know them. Don't let makeup, or clothing, or look define a person for you.
Makeup says a lot about them. They are not FORCED to do it and it provides no benefits at all (apart from modifying their image, which in my opinion, makes them more ugly). Therefore they choose it 100% so it says a lot about their character.
also we may be born naked. We are not born with makeup. Either you are "natural" or you aren't. Plus, if you think it's ok, try to imagine a city full of overweight people naked and see if it's perfectly ok, and I mean in all aspects (that is, it doesn't even distract you for, let's say, disgust or whatever else you want (even funny, if that's how you find it)). The thing is, why is only SOUND in the eyes of the law a certain way? Like "distracting sound" or "" considered 'bad'? What's the difference with light?
Don't blame me, at least I'm using it scientifically. Unless of course, you find nothing bad with sound pollution (that can hurt your ears) or with sound that distracts you (and sometimes, can lead to accidents, but that's extreme and beside the point).
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posted January 03, 2009 05:38 PM |
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Mytical:
The problem with that idea is that the only part of guys considered sexual is their "twigs and berries". Whereas with females, the parts that they have that are associated with intimacy are not limited to "down there".
That said, I'm no fan of guys walking around outside with no shirts on.
What the hell is your problem? Can't see a couple of nipples without feeling reproductive or what?
And TheDeath:
I haven't got the slightest idea what you want to say. I can't make any point or sense out of it.
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posted January 03, 2009 05:39 PM |
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What the hell is your problem? Can't see a couple of nipples without feeling reproductive or what?
....must....breathe..... AHAHAHAAAHA 
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TheDeath
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posted January 03, 2009 05:54 PM |
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I haven't got the slightest idea what you want to say. I can't make any point or sense out of it.
If black people, for example, intimidated 'dogs' and dogs should be allowed in public, then a law saying "black people should always wear clothes for the dogs"... is it racist?
Of course this isn't about dogs... but men and women are different in appearance. It is a fact. Whether it is a problem or not, I didn't discuss. I only said that they are different. If women had a third eye and people said "only two eyes should be allowed in public per person" is it sexist just because women have that third eye?
this was of course just a RANDOM, hypothetical example. But maybe you can make sense out of this
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posted January 03, 2009 06:00 PM |
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Anyway Death, maybe we should change the subject? It's extremely close to going personal, anyway..
How about you tell us what features would you expect from a perfect (well, for you) woman, instead? I know you mentioned it here and there, but how about summing it up?
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posted January 03, 2009 06:20 PM |
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What the hell is your problem? Can't see a couple of nipples without feeling reproductive or what?
....must....breathe..... AHAHAHAAAHA
The white skin that was where a bra was, is a ridiculessly major turn on <.<
However i do kind of agree with Mytical. Society is rotten to the core on such issues. It also got someting to do with how kids are raised.
Guys will likely get a car or someting to brag ridiculessy over while a girl would use makeup and clothes, why is it like that? Look above, thats my guess. Its also pretty noticeable that the arveage girl would be raised to be alot more emotional than a guy, if its extremised by society............ We already halfway got it in ways...
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posted January 03, 2009 06:24 PM |
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TheDeath:
JJ:
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What the hell is your problem? Can't see a couple of nipples without feeling reproductive or what?
FAIL.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 03, 2009 07:06 PM |
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@TheDeath
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If women had a third eye and people said "only two eyes should be allowed in public per person" is it sexist just because women have that third eye?
In a word: yes.
@Mvass:
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FAIL.
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posted January 03, 2009 07:15 PM |
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Anyway Death, maybe we should change the subject? It's extremely close to going personal, anyway..
How about you tell us what features would you expect from a perfect (well, for you) woman, instead? I know you mentioned it here and there, but how about summing it up?
Hmm ok but it won't be thorough. I'll try to put things in the order, saying which ones are more 'important' than others (#1 is the most important, but can be shared by two conditions, for example):
#1: Face characteristics:
#1a: Cuteness. Above all, she should be cute* (see remark)
#1b: CLEANNESS. Face should be clean. No heavy makeup, only ones which just make the face more 'apparent' natural or clean. The other type of makeup I prefer to say "it paints their face" so it looks worse IMO. (hard to explain, but I can give examples if you wish (and ask))
This INCLUDES stuff like rings in the nose or stuff like that.
Also I'm not too fond of 'elegant' earrings (in fact, earrings at all, especially big ones) although it is far less important than the other characteristics.
#2: Skin. Should be somewhat smooth. I'm not very demanding though, it doesn't need to be extremely (but not like, for example, old people lol )
#3: Hair should be okish, not jerky. Relatively smooth and either elegant or cute, not completely random. Also, NOT MADE UP HAIR, that is, like "rocker" bands you know? Natural shaped.
Also, I am NOT demanding long hair. Short hair is fine (although not "extremely" short). See pic(s) below for an example.
#4: Body skin cleanness. Less important but STILL important. That is, I kinda hate 'makeup' on bodies (it's how I call it) like e.g: tattoos although if done right it should look ok (that's why it's on #4). This includes, for example, "makeup" nails... I think you know what I mean right? (i.e I don't particularly like it, but I can 'get over it', not that critical)
This INCLUDES stuff like rings in the navel or other stuff like that.
#5: Probably other characteristics like height, although to be honest, it's not THAT important for ME (even though technically, I'm 'tall', 1.85m). Even 1.60m is okish. Heck I can go even lower if the others are fine.
This is for appearance. Personality is a different thing, although it is important as well -- I'm not talking about the know-how etc... but about BASIC things like how she reacts. She has to be cute, tender, and kind obviously. I don't like bossy girls at all, and neither bossy guys. Also I don't like high-school-type of girls who brag about latest trend, fashion and do it very regularly (although of course, I can live with a bit of some). And no "sexy" attitude. I prefer cute attitude.
The only problem, like I said before, is the various terms used. "Cute" or "clean" being examples. The former appears in both personality and appearance. It is hard to define, unless of course you know what I mean. I can however provide pictures for appearance, but not for personality unfortunately (although I think, you can somewhat 'picture' the personality from the pictures sometimes):
 
these were examples of characteristics #1 and #2 and #3 and WITH SHORT HAIR (thus showing that I find it ok) (same girl though, but I can provide more examples if you want, although I doubt that).
Again, problem is the terms used. They are hard to define in words.
Some can say they find emo girls 'cute', although that's not really what I would say.
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Guys will likely get a car or someting to brag ridiculessy over while a girl would use makeup and clothes, why is it like that?
You may be right -- who said that if they brag out loud they are any 'better' (and thus I tolerate them more? )
@JollyJoker: Sorry but that is kinda bad if you consider it such. How I see it, it is not sexist because you forbid them to use something which men don't have (of course if it has consequences). If men had it, you would forbid it from them too. Here, it is NOT because they are women that you do it, but because of that third eye. (just an example obviously with the third eye thing). So the law should say "cover your third eye", but of course if it has some effects. (it was a hypothetical example anyway)
What if women had machine guns instead of arms? Is it sexist if we put extra laws on them compared to men? Take note that we would do the same to men if THEY HAD the same things. So it's not sexist.
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posted January 03, 2009 07:37 PM |
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@TheDeath: Is it just me or are you really into asian girls?
@Mytical: I kinda agree with you, our society is rotten to the core and it'll stay that way. I really think that there never be stuff like tolerance for everyone or world peace. But this isnt the topic of this thread.
As I mentioned few times before i'm not suggesting to ban sexy clothes and makeup. Just saying there must be a limit for everything. I was raised in a religious family(though i'm not a catholic anymore but some moral norms of their still are appealing to me) and IMO abusing makeup and explict clothes are way over the top. There are other ways to impress a guy. Like making him really delicious boxed lunch or something.
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posted January 03, 2009 07:47 PM |
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Kip:
Well, I come from an atheist family, so religion has nothing to do with it for me.
TheDeath:
Again, you are exactly right.
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posted January 03, 2009 08:48 PM |
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Death: Well, I see you indeed like Asian girls  Many Caucasians are into it. You can always beg Azagal for an accommodation at his place, haha Because in Europe you can, well, just dream
Myself, I like earrings, not the big ones though, but a few small ones look really nice. As for tattoos, they are usually out of place for cute girls, but I saw a cute girl with a lightning-in-a-sphere tattoo on her arm, and I must say, it looked totally awesome.
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posted January 03, 2009 08:56 PM |
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@TheDeath: Is it just me or are you really into asian girls?
Yeah well I find them more cute overall. There are few caucasian girls that are that cute (there are examples however). Consequently, not all asian girls are cute either. But what the asian girls actually have over "most" caucasians are also cute attitudes (not all, but more probable among them).
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As I mentioned few times before i'm not suggesting to ban sexy clothes and makeup. Just saying there must be a limit for everything. I was raised in a religious family(though i'm not a catholic anymore but some moral norms of their still are appealing to me) and IMO abusing makeup and explict clothes are way over the top. There are other ways to impress a guy. Like making him really delicious boxed lunch or something.
Just to make it clear, I agree with Mytical partially as well -- who says I only say that for women?
However like I mentioned before, don't start saying I am sexist only because I only "notice" women -- after all, I do notice guys a bit but not to that extent, since I'm straight. Hence it is difficult for me to find "beautiful" men (I admit, some indeed are). But I do, however, know what's "sexy" or "macho" as well in guys and I apply the same stuff I said to girls there.
@Doomforge: heck I'm a geek, not that desperate for gfs, and nothing wrong with "fantasy" (although trust me, it's way more different than you would imagine  that's all I'll say cause you'll consider me weird). Still I find them cute and beautiful.
As for earrings, I don't have much problems with small ones because I don't even notice them probably. Also tattoos can be made cool and artistically, I agree -- I was talking about the "biker" style, those heavy ones, probably found in emo girls... If not done right it can spoil and make them look 'dirty' IMO.
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posted January 03, 2009 09:07 PM |
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I won't consider you weird, hey, don't worry, even though I had a GF at the age of 16, I considered Yuna better than her, lol Who's weird here?
ahh, memories.
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posted January 03, 2009 09:20 PM |
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Yeah Yuna is cute I agree
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posted January 03, 2009 09:26 PM |
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I like piercing stuff, as long as it only underlines girls natural beauty, not when it becomes her main feature. Too many metal on a face is disgusting.
Once again, common sense and harmony are encouraged.
Clean and soft girls are always welcome, but hate the ones who are eternal children or don't appear to be sexual at all. Girls I like may appear cute at first sight, but deep inside they are all pervs, I KNOW THAT! 
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There are other ways to impress a guy. Like making him really delicious boxed lunch or something.
Sorry, but cooking for me is not something I expect from a potential girlfriend Still, I really appreciate EVERY attempt she could do to impress me, even though the results may vary. In such case, intentions is what matters.
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Who's weird here?
Stop that guys, you make me feel too normal!
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Yeah Yuna is cute I agree
I've never been into it, but +1
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