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Mytical
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posted December 29, 2008 11:52 AM |
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Right now I am just embarrassed to think that people thought I was supporting the name calling  . I want to appologize for the misunderstanding. Now, I feel terrible.
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posted December 29, 2008 01:46 PM |
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Women are sexy regardless (at least to me). Even the 'big' girls. Tall, short, fat, skinny, heck even three arms would be ok by me. I just prefer natural over lots of makeup and skimpy clothing.
Agreed. Most girls don't need all that, it's just a tedious, time-consuming, money waste, BUT if girls actually like doing that... Fine, sure, they can, after all, noone can refuse a real girl ^^
Let me rephrase, I can't refuse them.
Unless... She's creepy or stupid or plain nasty (mostly, exceptional situations). Oh, but here I go putting the opposite sex on a pedestal, silly me and I am already late for a meeting. Until a next session, people!
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Doomforge
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posted December 29, 2008 02:46 PM |
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There are two kinds of people, one bashes the opposite sex, second puts it on pedestal. 
I'm somewhere in the middle tho (happy exception ). I never bash girls only because they are girls (stupid), but I'm not very lenient towards them either.
If someone is arrogant or puffed up, he deserves bashing, no matter what his gender is.
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pandora
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posted December 29, 2008 02:59 PM |
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Close or delete....?
This thread is unbelievably offensive, since I'm coming into it so late I'm not going to penalize anyone, but if it keeps going I certainly will.
If you don't know what I have a problem with, read the whole code of conduct it should become clear.
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TheDeath
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posted December 29, 2008 03:00 PM |
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Before (special emphasise on the BEFORE)I call you an stupid ignorant **** who's talking about something he doesn't know one thing about (women that is) I'd really like you to explain this one to me since I wouldn't want to do you injustice. Because I don't "know" what you mean. And you are being pretty ****ing insulting btw since you say that women who dress sexy are "just snows". Please define what you think is "sexy".
What the hell is your problem? It's just my freaking opinion.
How come you can say which girls are "hot", but I can't say which are "snows" (which sometimes when I say it, it is the opposite of "hot")?
I offend them by saying that? Well they "offend" some people for dressing like that too. If they are entitled to "speak" with their dress, then so should others be entitled to "speak" with their mouths.
That's like bringing your super-big plasma TV in the middle of a park showing a horror movie to some people who can't stand it. I assume that's perfectly fine 
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Sex sells. It attracts attention. People want to be noticed. No need to offend them for it. And people want to have fun. No need to offend them for that either.
Here's somebody who has understood it
You know, there's this thing called being "gross" when SOME people see GORE... so some freaks who have fun with all sorts of gore and bones should be allowed to put them in public -- heck if someone sensible pukes because of it, no problemo...
On the other hand, there's a thing in sound called "sound pollution". This would be a case of "light pollution" 
yeah yeah you'll just say "how can you even compare that" and stuff like that which simply is useless because it can be used for anything, literally... avoiding the point.
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But that does not give you the right to call anyone a snow, GOD why is that so difficult to understand?!
Oh but you can call those super-nerds "dorks" I assume (and I mean it, super-nerds, a lot more than me ofc, those which are also clumsy+super shy). Or you can call the non-sexy ones however you want (i.e "poor guy" or whatever).
Or it gives you the right to call them "hot"? Only positivism is allowed? Only one opinion? Either that, or simply don't talk? Please...
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This isn't about being macho or anything this is about how you (TheDeath/mvass) and mvass/TheDeath talk about women because of your own inability to deal with them!!
Now you see, this is getting more personal than calling a random girl a "snow". So YOU have a problem, not us. Period.
I will refrain from calling you back in a way but suffice to say, it's not even my business and it shouldn't be yours either. Are you envious or something because not everyone thinks that sexy women should be called "hot"?
What is your problem? That there are people more rational to a situation and, instead of arguing with them properly, you call them out and take absolutely cheap shots? We're not in high-school where you can brag about it. It's also childish...
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posted December 29, 2008 03:06 PM |
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Are you sure this isn't highschool? Because I'm having some flashbacks...
Seems to me that this thread is not going to make it to the new year...
If you wish to discuss the topic, without posting links to images that clearly break the coc, without calling people snows (which is an insult, and offensive), without failing to use *****'s when you cannot express yourself without cussing and without turning the whole thread into a flamewar between two groups with opposing views - then feel free to continue.
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TheDeath
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posted December 29, 2008 03:11 PM |
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I was posting while you were writing your message.
First, I didn't call out anyone anything. Just random girls which are "the opposite of being hot" as "snows" (it doesn't just mean "not attractive" it means more like annoying), I don't actually mean the real meaning of snow since I would have no idea based JUST on looks anyway...
Second, how come "hot" is allowed as positive criticism, and negative isn't allowed and should just "be silent"? Doesn't even concern HC members for that (just how many times did we call Bush an idiot?)
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pandora
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posted December 29, 2008 03:17 PM |
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Anti American sentiment has been a problem here for too long, I don't condone it. As for Bush...erm... I just can't
Calling women snows is demeaning, if someone were to make a similar thread about men calling them ..I dunno...a-holes or whatever, I would ask that it be stopped as well. No sexism, again - read the FAQ.
You seem to think that I was talking only to you? I'm talking to everyone who has posted in this thread, the offenses come from those I agree with as well as those that I do not.
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TheDeath
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posted December 29, 2008 03:21 PM |
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I understand what you meant but I'm not even generalizing like "all women are snows" because it has nothing to do with the fact that they are women (there are some who aren't, and I said that for example). That doesn't mean they have to be... "snows" just because they are 'women' as in the "gender". I'm sorry if I made the apparent image of sexism. "Macho" guys fall in the SAME category for me.
Sorry i just can't find a better word. Should I say "not hot, unattractive, and annoying because of their cheap bragging" everytime? I don't mean the literal translation of course (even though some of them, indeed, may be snows, literally... at least isn't that the most convenient way to put it?) 
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posted December 29, 2008 03:23 PM |
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posted December 29, 2008 03:28 PM |
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Second, how come "hot" is allowed as positive criticism, and negative isn't allowed and should just "be silent"?
I'm afraid you mix up your personal opinions with labels sticked to other people, which clearly isn't allowed. When you say you find a girl hot or not, it's all up to you. But when you call OTHER people snows, contradictory to 'real girl', you become offensive towards them. You may not like girls, as well as homosexuals or Judes, but please keep it for yourself.
It's nothing new that hate and anger are not welcome in public discussion. Remember that such words can do harm to ones you don't know.
Let's keep on topic and talk about the beauty, not persons.
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Doomforge
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posted December 29, 2008 03:46 PM |
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I guess it's the words you use, Death. "snow" is an insult and thus breaks the CoC.
You can say, idk, barbie dolls. At least it will be humorous.
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TheDeath
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posted December 29, 2008 03:49 PM |
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I'm afraid you mix up your personal opinions with labels sticked to other people, which clearly isn't allowed. When you say you find a girl hot or not, it's all up to you. But when you call OTHER people snows, contradictory to 'real girl', you become offensive towards them. You may not like girls, as well as homosexuals or Judes, but please keep it for yourself.
I don't know what you mean because you speak something I haven't even gone into.
I have no problem with girls. I have no problem with their gender.
I have a problem with PEOPLE who are like that -- men can be too, it's called being "macho".
The first post said that 95 out of 100 girls are "snows" (aka non-hot, who are annoying because they brag about it cheaply, etc...).
If someone says 95 out of 100 girls are "hot" is that any different? Is it sexist to men?
it has nothing to do with the fact that they are women, it's with what they have chose to do and I think we can all express opinions on that.
Someone can say "the guys at the service really annoy me" (I hear this a lot) but I can't say that many such "sexy" and "cheap attention" girls annoy me? (not literally as in "annoy" me to get mad lol)
Is that sexist, both for men (the "guys" at the service) and the girls? I think you miss the point.
hmm maybe I should use "cheap style" instead? although it is somewhat similar people might misinterpret that too.
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posted December 29, 2008 04:19 PM |
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I could date with a girl who looks like a total snow if she were smart and everything. Not very likely coincidence though. But what's inside is always before what's outside.
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posted December 29, 2008 04:27 PM |
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Moonlith
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posted December 29, 2008 05:27 PM |
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And any other who's first thought on the second pic is I want in?
*raises hand* Guilty.
Although I think you mean the first pic now since it seems the first pic (Paris) was deleted.
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posted December 29, 2008 05:50 PM |
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*blushes* sorry Pan. Just wanted to show the most cheapest of beauty there can be. Won't happen again.
And i didn't call anyone of HC a snow BTW, so i didn't Insult any members. Well if someone found my posting in this thread offensive, then i apologize to you too.
Reminds me of Highschool huh? well, i'm getting some flashbacks too you know.
The reason i've started this thread was quite simple lol. We were arguing about female beauty, and one guy said that absolutely no people would agree with my opinion. have started a similiar thread in another forum,but it was deleted, due to the fact that only 4 pages were on topic. i guess the mods of that forum weer to lazy to delete ~20 pages of spam.
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posted December 29, 2008 08:27 PM |
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Man-snows and woman-snows both suck. The end.
The ironical truth that society wants to hide.
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posted December 29, 2008 08:57 PM |
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*blushes* sorry Pan. Just wanted to show the most cheapest of beauty there can be. Won't happen again.
And i didn't call anyone of HC a snow BTW, so i didn't Insult any members. Well if someone found my posting in this thread offensive, then i apologize to you too.
Reminds me of Highschool huh? well, i'm getting some flashbacks too you know.
The reason I've started this thread was quite simple lol. We were arguing about female beauty, and one guy said that absolutely no people would agree with my opinion. have started a similar thread in another forum,but it was deleted, due to the fact that only 4 pages were on topic. i guess the mods of that forum weer to lazy to delete ~20 pages of spam.
I realize that you didn't directly call anyone a snow lol
When I said it reminds me of highschool, I wasn't referring to your initial post - I was talking about the discussion as a whole - just took me back a ways I guess 
I'm curious though - are you arguing about female beauty - or are you arguing about appropriate dress/conduct for women?
In my opinion female beauty is too many things to simply decide based on whether or not the girl dresses a little bit sleazy.
There are a lot of different reasons women choose to dress the way they do, it doesn't just mean that they are "for hire"
I think its certainly understandable for you not to be attracted to that kind of dress - or not to be turned on to a girl who is so drunk she can't recall her own name - but still, that doesn't mean shes not beautiful - it just means that you're not able to see the ways that she is.
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posted December 29, 2008 09:18 PM |
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are you arguing about female beauty - or are you arguing about appropriate dress/conduct for women?
What is the most suprising about them is that women look VERY different depending on what they wear - sometimes I can't stop staring at her, but next day she puts on random scraps and looks awful. For that reason I stopped thinking about ideals and now follow only one simple, subjective and egoistic criterium - beatiful girls are the one I like. You may disagree and most likely will do, but who the hell carees. The sense of beaty is very subjective and doesn't fit any theory, at least no simple logic formulas. In fact we can discuss culture aspects, psychology or theory of eathetics, but not throw girls to a number of boxes and glorify one over another.
Some years ago I used to rate every girl as with shopping list, but it lead to nowhere.
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There are a lot of different reasons women choose to dress the way they do, it doesn't just mean that they are "for hire"
Like it or not, but I'm absolutely convinced girls do care about their appearance and want to look beautiful all the time. Of course they may dress something specific depending on the weather, mood, ocasion, purpose they have in mind - but nonetheless I expect them to look nice. Once girl does, I can think about taking further steps }:]
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I think its certainly understandable for you not to be attracted to that kind of dress - or not to be turned on to a girl who is so drunk she can't recall her own name - but still, that doesn't mean shes not beautiful - it just means that you're not able to see the ways that she is.
As I stated above, girls are dynamic phenomena and change all the time - both in their appearance and behaviour. We, mere men, can't really see their true form and therefore are to take what is given. Same girl can be lovely charming one day and filthy nerd on another. Still, I want her to be nice all the time and if she can do that, she is the one.
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