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posted December 31, 2008 09:19 AM |
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It's just a word and the only power it has is what you give it. That's the point. The only reason for the argument to go on and on over a word is because the people involved have given it power.
If the mods think it's inappropriate they can talk to him in private about it.
*wishes I could think of a good snow joke about now *
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posted December 31, 2008 10:14 AM |
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It's just a word and the only power it has is what you give it. That's the point. The only reason for the argument to go on and on over a word is because the people involved have given it power.
If the mods think it's inappropriate they can talk to him in private about it.
*wishes I could think of a good snow joke about now*
You are ignoring 2000 years of well known history. Obviously you are underestimating the power of words and speech in general. You seem to forget that thinking works with speech and words and implicit meanings of words are a very powerful tool for influencing people's opinions.
Just ask the advertisement branch.
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Warmonger
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posted December 31, 2008 10:40 AM |
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All our culture is constructed out of words, meanings and messages. Our knowledge is a set of messages, our image of word is a combination of words. Words are more than just a set of letters, they have their object, their second meaning, they speaker, they intention, they evaluate what they name.
You may say something is 'fashionable' and people buy it even though it doesn't have any extraordinary properties. You may name someone 'liar' and he won't be trustworthy even though he's a good man. The phrase "I announce you husband and wife" has incredible power even though it's just a simple sentece.
Words are meaningful and sticky, what you say can't be unsaid. When you assign a property to an object, it will remain assigned in our minds.
The words you use may alter others' perception of things and language you know affects the way you're thinking. Be aware of that.
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Doomforge
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posted December 31, 2008 02:04 PM |
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the funny part is that the word "woman" was a direct insult in Poland a few hundred years ago 
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Lexxan
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posted December 31, 2008 04:04 PM |
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You have no right whatsoever to talk about women like this. Especially you TheDeath... what the **** man? Women who dress sexy equal snows?
Lol, I guess that's one of the best ownages I've ever seen ^^
Imo, there's a difference between glamour and style and downright profane "snowness".
I mean, Women can put on make-up to be attractive overall. it gives them self-confidence. It makes them feel good. It's similar to going to the gym or working out: you do it to look good and, as an effect of it, to feel good. It's like a Peacock effect: When you look like a hot pickle, men (in this case, but I can work the other way round as well) will give positive feedback (= whistling and flirting). it's what I would call and instinct, an ancient urge to look good in order to find a mate (this sounds so technical here, but I believe, it's something like that)
If every woman who put on Make-up and wore a skirt were a snow... Man, we would only have hookers and She-nerds.
As I said, there's a difference between being an attractive, make-upped, hot girl and being a tramp. And that difference isn't nessecairily physical. It's a difference in attittude.
I think I don't need to explain what that difference might be (think sex-wise)
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TheDeath
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posted December 31, 2008 04:13 PM |
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If someone shows off with something you are free to look the other way. It's something you have to learn in capitalism anyway, because capitalism tries to hook you any second with simple direct incentives. Some advertising, for example, works like that.
That would be a problem for me, since it's in public, just like I have problems with those who smoke in public (and consequently I inhale it). Even MORE if they start to talk out with their stuff to show off. What should I do then? Cover my ears? It's THEIR doing so THEY are the ones who should do something/get punished. Of course, they can just always not "show off" (even if they are dressed how they want) then they won't have much more 'influence' than someone else, provided that people don't find them attractive (like me). Either way, at least it wouldn't be only their fault, since they just dressed how they wanted, not "showed off", just like anyone else. Oh and men are like that too, especially those younger immature ones or from high-school. In fact some go even further than girls (you don't want to know).
I know the advertising crap everywhere but it doesn't mean it's ok. Unfortunately that's how the way it is but I find it unfair (especially smoking which is more than just a simple "light pollution" which isn't as bad, but that's another topic).
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Our knowledge is a set of messages, our image of word is a combination of words. Words are more than just a set of letters, they have their object, their second meaning, they speaker, they intention, they evaluate what they name.
Message is not the same as SYMBOL.
"snow" is made up of 5 symbols. The meaning of it? That's the message. And I explained what I meant with "snow" (since I could not find a better word -- and all the posts further from then on which made me type "snow" were because of this argument). So the message is clear. No need to make so much fuss about it
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If every woman who put on Make-up and wore a skirt were a snow... Man, we would only have hookers and She-nerds.
lol
"she-nerd" though doesn't mean the one with glasses though (stupid stereotype). Cause there are many without heavy makeup but still not as nerdy as you might think, just probably caring and cute (in attitude ofc) and all that.
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posted December 31, 2008 04:27 PM |
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And with advertising, I can turn the TV off or get advertising-free TV; I can close my browser or get Adblock. But I can't do anything similar about these women.
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Warmonger
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posted December 31, 2008 04:31 PM |
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That would be a problem for me, since it's in public, just like I have problems with those who smoke in public (and consequently I inhale it
I'm afraid you really can't see the difference between good an evil.
Smoking causes heavy illness and death. Revealing skin is not harmful. Girls are not toxic neither lethal and cause no damage of psychic if only everything is good with it.
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I know the advertising crap everywhere but it doesn't mean it's ok.
I wrote a number of essays about it and they scored high in competitions, but to discuss it start another thread
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I explained what I meant with "snow"
Good. But still there's a difference between "I don't like snows" and "these girls look like snows, let's call them snows".
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If every woman who put on Make-up and wore a skirt were a snow... Man, we would only have hookers and She-nerds.
When I look at old photos and paintings, I fins all the women AWFUL. Luckily nowdats they can care about themselves and look beatiful.
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TheDeath
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posted December 31, 2008 06:26 PM |
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I'm afraid you really can't see the difference between good an evil.
Smoking causes heavy illness and death. Revealing skin is not harmful. Girls are not toxic neither lethal and cause no damage of psychic if only everything is good with it.
No I didn't say anything toxic, lethal or whatever. I said just simple something which you don't want (e.g: inhaling smoke), and they do something that is not 'required' (in fact, do it on purpose sometimes, when they want attention!).
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When I look at old photos and paintings, I fins all the women AWFUL. Luckily nowdats they can care about themselves and look beatiful.
In the land of Death life would be a torment.
You sound like one of those irresponsible spoiled brats though I know you're not (oh man, until they get kicked out of the house or have children or whatever)
And then people WONDER why the world is degenerating and we have so many problems (not just economical) with "today's youth"  (this includes emo, goth, etc etc; impolite, no manners, think they are independent (on society), claim to take responsibility but are irresponsible as hell, disrespectful, and possibly even drugs, etc... I think even Einstein would turn in his grave)
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posted December 31, 2008 06:32 PM |
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AND SKATING ON THE SIDEWALKS!!!
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Girls are not toxic neither lethal and cause no damage of psychic if only everything is good with it.
Oh trust me, a drunken fat chick with a revealed stomach and in a mini skirt that would make porn stars ashamed damages the psyche FAR MORE than cigarettes.
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mvassilev
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posted December 31, 2008 07:05 PM |
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[oldmanvoice]The kids these days are worthless![/oldmanvoice]
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del_diablo
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posted December 31, 2008 07:11 PM |
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When I look at old photos and paintings, I fins all the women AWFUL. Luckily nowdats they can care about themselves and look beatiful.
Oh really? They where the discriminated gender for ages, meaning in fact its really different nowadays. Now they can get a life, they could not really before becaue in most cases they where powerless.
And how do they look awfull? Eyeliner was not that common in the old europa, and similar.
The only real awfull thingy was maybe the hair looks, but imo.....
I got pictures of my ma's ma and my pa's ma when they where young. They wa indeed beautyfull.
And take of care their looks? We only got a corrupted giantic enslaving sterotype on the lose taking care of that. Besides mot belive they would look awfull without makeup, someting that is wrong.
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Mytical
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posted January 03, 2009 12:22 PM |
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Ok back to the topic of dress though. Sorry, some of the guys here asked for it, and right now I am in the mood to give it. Fair warning.
What really irks me, and I mean really really irks me..is the double standard you seem to be implying. A guy goes out without a shirt on a hot day..that is perfectly ok. Men can dress pretty much however they want (short of their twigs and berries hanging out) but a woman should dress a certain way..just because you can't control your own hormones?
Heck women should be able to go out barechested if guys can, and not be considered any less for it. This is not the 1900 guys, females should have all the rights guys do. Please oh please don't tell me you think yourself superior to them.
But here we are in 2009 and their still is double standards. A woman dresses up, she is called a name. A guy does it, it is accepted.
Same with 'sleeping around'. Won't get into that yet..but there is deffinately still the double standards from the 19th century...
Look beyond the outside for a blasted moment, get to know them. Don't let makeup, or clothing, or look define a person for you. Does it really matter if they wear dental floss? People put too much taboo on things, we are born naked..naked is a natural thing..but as usual somebody has to try to force their ideas on somebody else...
/rant off
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posted January 03, 2009 12:25 PM |
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My god Mytical, what a great post. I agree 100%. I've often thought it to be unfair that if men can go around wearing nothing but shorts, then why can't a woman? If she wants to then nothing should really stop her. But of course, she might get called names and it would be deemed 'unacceptable'. I don't consider males to be superior to women, they are both equal in my eyes. So yeah, I agree with Mytical's post. 
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Mytical
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posted January 03, 2009 12:29 PM |
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Thank you. I don't like a lot of makeup or too little clothing, it doesn't appeal to me..and that is my choice. However, if a girl is wearing makeup a clown would have hard time matching and wearing dental floss..I will still talk to them before deciding about them. Could have a Mensa IQ and just wanting to cut loose. Never know.
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posted January 03, 2009 12:41 PM |
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Should be obvious, that's my opinion as well, which is why I made such a fuss about it from the onset of this thread.
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Mytical
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posted January 03, 2009 12:50 PM |
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Women's self image is already been through enough. I got physically ill sometimes looking at posters, magazines, etc. How often have I had to sit a young girl down and explain that they are beautiful. Because they have a little extra weight, or some birthmark, or something crazy, they think themselves ugly.
Now I don't want to generalize, and I will appologize before I do so.
However some men and women are very self conscious about themselves..and handle it different ways.
SOME guys will compensate by sports cars, bragging about themselves (especially how good they are in bed), or pumping iron until they look like the THING from fantastic four.
SOME females think that only the makeup and skimpy clothes will make them attractive to the other sex. It is forced fed them that they have to look like the women on the billboards or in the magazines..and so they go to great lengths to do it. Think about that the next time you judge them.
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posted January 03, 2009 12:53 PM |
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Heck women should be able to go out barechested if guys can, and not be considered any less for it.
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posted January 03, 2009 01:00 PM |
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I say go for it women!
We should make it a norm like in minos. 
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posted January 03, 2009 01:44 PM |
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Women's self image is already been through enough. I got physically ill sometimes looking at posters, magazines, etc. How often have I had to sit a young girl down and explain that they are beautiful. Because they have a little extra weight, or some birthmark, or something crazy, they think themselves ugly.
Unattractive girls thinking they are beautiful are far worse. Big ego is always worse than some doubts ;/
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