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i thought the definition of porn was left at "you know it when you see it"
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WHO would ask them? Other women?
What if that blinking was a danger to traffic, for example, and distracted drivers and made them have accidents?
Of course, I'm going extreme, just to make the point -- I know the analogy is off.
Its still a valid point, who is going to ask? And for what reason? If its a big treat(extreme flash) we would likely design the cars around it or someting rather enforcing sunglasses while driving.
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rather enforcing sunglasses while driving.
Or you know, just cover their flashes
Ask the sun to not shine bright then? But for this case sunglasses are more practical.
But for boobs and bras, people uses shirt nowadays anyway.
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Hehe, even the game makers in the 90s had this issue.
Here and here is some parts of what it sounds uncensored.
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The Beautiful People
I very recently wrote this essay for my blog and then I noticed this thread, so I decided to post it here. I'm fully aware I'm interrupting an arguement of sorts here... just have in mind I'm not making a reference or rebuffing any posts after the initial topic. 
It is simply unfair to the others to live among beautiful people. Beauty is one of those few things that can’t be earned or deserved – you’re born with it, or you aren’t. Sure enough, plastic surgery and devoted persistence can help, but a butt-ugly face can be improved to ‘tolerable’, which does not nearly come to “pretty”. A ton of mascara and lipstick paired with hundreds of hours of practice only enhance what others already have for granted.
The amount of transgressions that beautiful beings can get away with just because they are beautiful is staggering. I had this observation while applying an icepack over the fresh dog bite on my right hand which had I had acquired while attempting to calm down the two jealous pets at my friend’s place. As it was foolish of me to try to intervene, so I had no one to blame but me of course. However, it also occurred to me that if was a nasty-looking scabby mutt instead of a gorgeous 100-lb Alaskan Malamute, this would result in a kick and no dinner, instead of angry words.
A pretty girl stands several times higher chances to find a job or a rich husband. A soft stray cat with long hair and blue eyes is much more likely to be adopted than your regular gray tabby. Even my mother is more patronizing to her lovely students than the homely ones. Beauty is a quality which, if it’s gifted upon you, gives you an advantage to surpass hard work or intelligence, or to make up for the lack of both.
UGLY_________________ OK _________________ BEAUTIFUL
Easy enough if you’re on the B side of the equation but what if you are on the U side? You have to double the efforts in everything you do, starting from the makeup in the morning, to project presentations at work, to chores. A pretty bimbo can use her fresh French manicure as an excuse not abstain from doing chores. Would anyone pay attention to the average, round-cheek, pudgy-finger matron?
If the latter really did call for an answer, plastic surgeons would truly need to struggle to stay in business.
A favorite topic of the above-mentioned average, round-cheek, pudgy-finger matrons is the “inner beauty”. Because it is them who tell fairy tales and bedtime stories to little kids and teach them that appearance should not matter; but a personality and personal qualities should. If it is the way things are, why do they take the efforts to repeat it until it’s hammered down in your head, soaking your brain as if it were a sponge? Christmas is a very good time to be reminded of this rule. All channels on TV spew all day long wishy-washy Christmas movies about “miracles” and “inner beauty”. With this amount of propaganda on me, I am going to start believing soon that what I look like does not matter; only what I do does. Then, instead of working out at the gym to keep myself up to standard, I will let myself grow in one of the round-cheek pudgy-finger pretty matrons and wait for someone to notice my soul because it WOULD be my only beautiful thing remaining.
I’m totally annoyed at the romanticizing of “natural beauty”. Men would avert their eyes (and admit it too!) when they see a homely female. Yet, the litany when they hear about the pains this miserable creature has undergone to keep within standard! Fine then, so those of us who pulled out the shorter stick at birth, we have to be silent slaves of the ‘beautiful’ and let them marry the best bachelors, get the best jobs and collect all the brownies? Nay I say, no way!
People it seems simply can’t make up their minds. On one hand they want to see beautiful beings around them; these same people snow when one strives to improve appearance. Oh it’s those same folks who peek under the miniskirts of girls, then call them names for wearing said miniskirts. Speaking of name calling, there’s a common one: “cheap”. What’s wrong with being “cheap”? Doesn’t that somehow imply a lot of cleavage, fishnet stockings and dark red lipstick? What a coincidence as this is also generally regarded as “sexy”. Okay, I admit some adult women look like their 5-year-old daughters with mom’s lipstick in hands in front of the mirror. But then again we’re talking about lack of aesthetics which is a totally different thing altogether.
What strikes me the most is that men describe the best wives as “good mothers, good cooks, good in bed”, yet choose the “sexy secretary” type to “have some fun with”. Decent women should choose to be mothers and snows have chosen to be … snows. But then again, isn’t a ‘decent woman’ a very flattering way to call a home servant and isn’t a snow just a derogatory word for a … woman? Mind you though, just because you wear 3-inch-high pump shoes doesn’t mean you “have fun” with hundreds of males per annum, but it’s certainly enough to put you in the cheap category especially if a miniskirt is involved as well. Honestly, I don’t mind having some fun and stating it. It’s definitely more fun than changing diapers and preparing filet mignon.
That’s the point right here: advertising. Let’s assume we have a potential role model here; let’s assume her name is Violet. So Violet is an average-looking girl with oily skin, too plump around the hips and has a plain face. Violet is also at the lovely age of 22, single and not in a relationship though she would really like to be in one! Natural beauty is a quality that Vi wasn’t not bestowed with and staying in the kitchen is way below her ambitions. So must she do to achieve her goal? Advertise herself, that’s what. Get rid of the turtleneck sweaters, show some neck instead and buy a few skirts with the slit high up to give the boys a good view. Now the trouble is that it’s cheap. It’s cheap but it’s sexy and sexy is appealing. If you can’t be beautiful and collect all the brownies in a package, be at least cheap! Cheap – buy – fun.
Now, those of us non-beautiful women who think that exposure is much below their level do get married to become good housewives and good pudgy-finger matrons. How many yearn to come out of the cocoon and reveal a woman? Way too many if you ask me but not many enough have the guts. That’s how they raise their sons to believe a good wife means tasty meals after work and an obedient woman serving them. The same sons grow up, marry one and f*** another, one of the beautiful or one of the I-want-to-be-beautiful.
Ah, the beautiful people!
Oh… them horrible people….
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A bit feministic essay i must say. Though it has a lot of truth in it. A lot of statistical men sees women as kitchen slaves.
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It's mostly true though being a guy I have never had to concern myself much with that issue. However it is plain to see that beautiful people often get the better end of the stick just because they look more appealing - won't get you everywhere but it can certainly give a headstart. Heck even my cat owes the fact that we have kept her after so much trouble and broken vases(ouch) to her natural cuteness and beauty. With beauty however may come vanity just as insecurity in that your significant other chose you for your looks only, I've heard my share of similar cases. I've also often heard about tales of beautiful dumb blondes and average inner beauty people, it's become a funny stereotype really. I mean inner beauty may be found anywhere, it's not a privilege of the ugly people Somehow the whole thing reminds me of Stepford wives
As for cheap or not that's up to the viewer for the most part. Perceptions differ and so do purposes, some just enjoy what another would call cheap while others pursue it for certain reasons. Naturally for me it is the intent that defines cheapness but even so it's none of my business, I will still take a look  Women get jealous, men enjoy.
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Hey, Milena. Mind if I, uhh, comment?  Mvass style? With lots of quotes 
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It is simply unfair to the others to live among beautiful people. Beauty is one of those few things that can�t be earned or deserved � you�re born with it, or you aren�t. Sure enough, plastic surgery and devoted persistence can help, but a butt-ugly face can be improved to �tolerable�, which does not nearly come to �pretty�. A ton of mascara and lipstick paired with hundreds of hours of practice only enhance what others already have for granted.
And how is this different from being born in a poor family, not healthy, with poor reflex and intelligence? Would anybody want it like that? It's always the beauty that gets so much bias. Life just isn't fair even a tiny bit. Nobody would ever want to be dumb, poor or sick. And ugly. Yet people tend to focus on the _ugly_ part
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The amount of transgressions that beautiful beings can get away with just because they are beautiful is staggering.
Same for rich. Or smart.
Kinda puzzling. When somebody gets away with something because he is smart, he will be admired. When somebody gets away with something because he's beautiful, he'll get bashed.
Both didn't choose their looks/intelligence, though. Where is the justice? Both should be bashed
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Beauty is a quality which, if it�s gifted upon you, gives you an advantage to surpass hard work or intelligence, or to make up for the lack of both.
And why should the intelligent one come on top.. she/he didn't chose to be intelligent, either. Why is one matter of luck more fair than others?
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Easy enough if you�re on the B side of the equation but what if you are on the U side? You have to double the efforts in everything you do, starting from the makeup in the morning, to project presentations at work, to chores. A pretty bimbo can use her fresh French manicure as an excuse not abstain from doing chores. Would anyone pay attention to the average, round-cheek, pudgy-finger matron?
Again, it's like that in every damn part of life.
If you're stupid, school takes triple effort.
If you're poor, getting rich takes quintuple effort.
Life's not fair.
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A favorite topic of the above-mentioned average, round-cheek, pudgy-finger matrons is the �inner beauty�.
Favorite topic of thin boys is that weight doesn't matter in a brawl.
Favorite topic of poor people is that money doesn't give happiness.
Guess why
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Because it is them who tell fairy tales and bedtime stories to little kids and teach them that appearance should not matter; but a personality and personal qualities should.
Quite the contrary. All the fairy tales I remember were focused around BEAUTIFUL princess and a HANDSOME prince. They could be poor, blind and such, but never ugly. Ugly people loving each other is taboo. You'll never see it in games, movies and books.
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All channels on TV spew all day long wishy-washy Christmas movies about �miracles� and �inner beauty�.
Yeah, with the roles played by perfect actors.
Funny thing is that TV and movies completely negate the fact that most people have some sort of acne. But no, on TV, everyone's skin is 100% perfect. Lol.
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I�m totally annoyed at the romanticizing of �natural beauty�. Men would avert their eyes (and admit it too!) when they see a homely female. Yet, the litany when they hear about the pains this miserable creature has undergone to keep within standard! Fine then, so those of us who pulled out the shorter stick at birth, we have to be silent slaves of the �beautiful� and let them marry the best bachelors, get the best jobs and collect all the brownies? Nay I say, no way!
hah. Is it more fair to give it to the intelligent? Why? Because they are intelligent? Even "inner beauty" isn't their doing. They were born that way.
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People it seems simply can�t make up their minds. On one hand they want to see beautiful beings around them; these same people snow when one strives to improve appearance. Oh it�s those same folks who peek under the miniskirts of girls, then call them names for wearing said miniskirts.
I hardly believe so. Most of the time, if someone is repelled by it and says so, it's really like that.
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Speaking of name calling, there�s a common one: �cheap�. What�s wrong with being �cheap�? Doesn�t that somehow imply a lot of cleavage, fishnet stockings and dark red lipstick? What a coincidence as this is also generally regarded as �sexy�.
I obviously guess it isn't regarded sexy by those who find it cheap.
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What strikes me the most is that men describe the best wives as �good mothers, good cooks, good in bed�, yet choose the �sexy secretary� type to �have some fun with�. Decent women should choose to be mothers and snows have chosen to be � snows. But then again, isn�t a �decent woman� a very flattering way to call a home servant and isn�t a snow just a derogatory word for a � woman?
what of it?
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That�s the point right here: advertising. Let�s assume we have a potential role model here; let�s assume her name is Violet. So Violet is an average-looking girl with oily skin, too plump around the hips and has a plain face. Violet is also at the lovely age of 22, single and not in a relationship though she would really like to be in one! Natural beauty is a quality that Vi wasn�t not bestowed with and staying in the kitchen is way below her ambitions. So must she do to achieve her goal? Advertise herself, that�s what. Get rid of the turtleneck sweaters, show some neck instead and buy a few skirts with the slit high up to give the boys a good view.
If she's fat, it won't be even close to a good view. Quite contrary Most girls think that exposing their naked bellies is advertising. Well, if it's not attractive, it's exactly the opposite to advertising, you know.
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Now, those of us non-beautiful women who think that exposure is much below their level do get married to become good housewives and good pudgy-finger matrons. How many yearn to come out of the cocoon and reveal a woman? Way too many if you ask me but not many enough have the guts. That�s how they raise their sons to believe a good wife means tasty meals after work and an obedient woman serving them. The same sons grow up, marry one and f*** another, one of the beautiful or one of the I-want-to-be-beautiful.
Feminist talk. Blah blah blah. So men can say that women only look for rich guys or tall guys or guys with big cocks. What is the point of all that stereotype talk?
Sorry, Milena. Bad article. Very predictable. I've seen hundreds of posts by bitter men and women like that, and they are all the same: blame the opposite sex for this and that. Blame the opposite sex cause my face is not pretty and nobody desires me. Blame the opposite sex because I'm not tall and classified as a runt. Blame the opposite sex because I'm not rich and thus not interesting. Blame blame blame.
The best answer is blame yourself
I'm short, with a bad skin, poor. And so? I don't blame women for preferring tall guys. That's how the world works. It's not bad because.. they didn't choose it either. They are just like that.
Cheers.
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Nice blog Milena, however I find your view on the word very sad. The main problem is that you think everyone is bound to be and do the same for all lifetime. People are looking good or bad, women are wives or snows, one can cook in the kitchen or be a secretary.
No wonder you're unsatisfied if can't reach beyond this boundary. You don't have to de dependent of men, don't have to be dependent of community, don't have to be who you are now. You are free to recreate yourself as you wish and live your life you have always dreamt of. It's just so simple, yet requires strong will and lot of effort.
If you don't find yourself beautiful, well, try something else. Most of women aren't chicks and they somehow live and even find a partner. We are all different and every of us has own lifestyle, there is no only one way.
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Even "inner beauty" isn't their doing. They were born that way.
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posted January 06, 2009 11:00 PM |
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Hey Doomforge.
I wonder why you decided I'm bitter. I also want to point out I've never called or considered myself a feminist. I was also responding to the topic of this thread, which is 'cheap vs real beauty'. We were even shown a few pictures as an example. With this lengthy post I wanted to make a few points:
1. Being beautiful is not 'sinful'.
2. Not being beautiful and trying very hard to be is not 'sinful'.
3. People are jealous.
4. Men are ashamed of admitting they are turned on by 'cheap tricks'.
I've never argued that if you lack a certainly quality, you'll have to work very hard to compensate. But it's a fact that the topic of the thread os beauty, which is why I'm commenting on it. I also wanted to point out the attitude. People with average of lower intelligence are encouraged to study and get education. People who are not beautiful but are really trying are more often than not looked down upon.
I also want to point something else out. Now let's take this sentence:
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I hardly believe so. Most of the time, if someone is repelled by it and says so, it's really like that.
Here's a error in the logic here. Just because someone SAYS they are repelled by something doesn't mean they really are. In my experience men are turned on by what was called 'cheap looks' here but they are ashamed to admit it even to themselves. My point? I'd be curious to make an experiment. Take 100 men and expose them from 5 to 7 minutes of this 'cheap beauty', then ask them if they find it appealing. I'm sure the bulges in their pants would betray quite a few of them.
The question is: what is in fact cheap beauty? What I saw in Kipshasz' original post was a lot of shamelessly exposed flesh. And there is the word 'snow' right below these pictures. And then there are 2 situations. The point I'm making is that I don't see scenario #1 as a negative scenario. I understand the mechanisms behind scenario 1.
So here's our 'snow' stereotype: visible bra straps, dark lipstick, stockings, miniskirt. The truth is (not that many will admit it) is that our 'snow' stereotype is terribly effective. It turns men on. If they tell you otherwise, don't believe them unless they are wearing tights. I reason: society is attuned to think this is shameful.
I am reminding you, I'm trying to stay on-topic here and once again the topic is 'cheap beauty vs real beauty'. I have a lot to say about intelligent people too but that would be going offtopic.
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I'm expressing a point and bringing it to an extreme on purpose which is in fact causing people to express their thoughts in turn. A lot of what I say is not easy to digest. You don't have to agree with me because you're entitled to your own life experience and own point of view.
I'm not unsatisfied, Warmonger. I'm not miserable about my looks because I'm proud to say, I don't lack a sense of aesthetics and I apply it with a good measure. I'm paid compliments and I feel positive about it because I strive to make things better.
It is funny because natural beauty is, indeed, cheap. We assume it's the type you're born with and nothing gets cheaper than free! Hehe...
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1. Being beautiful is not 'sinful'.
I agree and I don't think Doom said otherwise. However, it depends on what is "beautiful". The thing was that sexy stuff are for some just cheap. Yes point 4 could apply, however, I'm not sure how otherwise they can express it -- if they remain quiet, everyone will think that they find her 'hot' but are shy to say it. If they say it's cheap, you'll say that they.
So what if they (like me, so trust me, I know ) actually find it cheap and thus, 'ruined' (i.e beauty ruined, so to speak)? What can I say to mark that point?
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It is funny because natural beauty is, indeed, cheap. We assume it's the type you're born with and nothing gets cheaper than free! Hehe...
Such 'natural' beauty requires things you need to do, and not ruin it. I guess sometimes, you can tell someone who is 'clean' (i.e 'natural beauty') about his/her behavior, so it plays a role in there. Sometimes.
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*cracks knuckles and grabs the deconstructor*
Long time no see my dear... at least on the ground we first met... lets start breaking your post down to its basics, shall we?
We both know exactly why you posted this and why, still.. .kind of you to share, it stirred the pot somewhat, it has a few fundamental flaws though, some due to its very nature
You claim it is unfair for others to live among beautiful people... and you know what? its entirely true... just as its unfair for the crippled to live among the healthy and the stupid to live among the smart (well, that actually works the other way around) ...life is not fair, it never was and it never will be... if life was fair, evolution would be quite pointless as a mechanism
Beautiful people have it easier in general, so what? c'est la vie... humans are visual creatures... to claim anything else is a blatant lie, very few of us operate using our other senses and even then its on top of vision ...your particular example with the dog however is quite unfortunate, that only shows a stupid/bad owner, not someone indulging their dog simply because of how gorgeous a breed it is
All your examples that follow are quite true, pretty girls are generally "luckier" ...fluffy cats find a home easier, pedigree dogs get the best food... yet, there is a flip side to that... a girl that got the job because of how nice her ass is, will soon be expected to use it in order to please her boss, a hot chick that finds a rich husband will have to live her life as arm candy or a trophy, a beautiful pet will have to suffer crazy owners that will dress them and pet them and parade them around like morons
but you know what? for all the glamour and flash, in the end, beauty IS only skin deep... it will help with first impressions and little else... few will keep a nice looking dog if it keeps biting the children, few will tolerate a fluffy cat that turns their furniture to scrap, few will keep a hot secretary that is typing 1 word per minute ...unless of course she decides to sleep with everything on two legs
to quote Pratchett's Death... you need the small lies in order to believe the big ones, justive, compassion, courage, or in this case... the ever elusive inner beauty ...when someone looks at you in the street, they do not see whats in your heart and mind, they see how snug that shirt is or how cute your ass looks in those pants... and thats how its supposed to be ...when you sit with someone and start talking however, a generous cleavage can only distract them for so long... unless what you say has some merit, you are just a bimbo that may be good for sex and nothing else ...so yes, it DOES matter what you look like, its hardwired in more or less every species on the planet, because appearance often hints at the state of health and ability to procreate, without anything under the hood however, its pointless... unless you want to make a career as a model or snow (on that point... the internet has helped remove the advantage of beauty quite a bit, after all for all you guys know i am a 320kg 80yo crossdressing bald bearded truck driver)
we must be living in different planets though... i have NEVER seen a guy "avert his eyes" from a homely female, as you put it... drool, gawk and stare, yes... look the other way? nope, sorry, not happening... and why the frell should it? ...you were born ugly? boo freakin hoo... do something about it, don't just cultivate your inner self, you are a thinking person, appearance DOES matter... if you don't, you are no different than a star athlete than can't add 2 and 2
and here we have the first major flaw of your post... you confuse cheap with provocative or sexy... one can be cheap even when covered from head to toe... cheap has nothing to do with the amount of flesh shown, it has to do with attitude, style and a sense of what looks good on you, if you recall, you and Lena got into that argument... cheap is tasteless.. and thats the only reason its a huge turn off for people ...lack of aesthetics is not a different thing at all, its the very essence of cheap ...being a dick that doesn't know how to treat others however, IS a different thing
you know how i feel about marriage... and you also know the situation i am in... so lets get this out right from the start... the best "wife" for me would be... a caring mother, an equal partner and a snow in bed... the reason most people choose the "sexy secretary" type to have fun with, is pretty simple... first of all, there is something called "madonna complex" ...men start seeing their wives as mothers and nothing else, mentally blocking the fact they are still the same women they had hours upon hours of hot uninhibited sex with ...and then, there is the fact that most people kinda let go when they are in a long relationship or marriage... why WOULDN'T you choose someone that looks ten times as hot to have sex with, when your partner looks like snow and has stopped taking care of themselves? if their wives look hot and there is no madonna complex going, then we are simply talking about cheating tralks and it has little to do with the issue at hand
and now you are being naive... we ALL advertise ourselves... and we do so in three ways... we focus on our strong points, the things we want others to see, the things we know that will make heads turn or little lightbulbs to light up... we hide our flaws, what makes us look bad, we hide under layers of deception, whether it is appearance or personality traits... and we focus on what we think others want to see... this third way is the one that most often results in cheap ...you don't have to look like Monica Bellucci in order to be sexy, hell... there are enough people out there that almost everything can be considered sexy... but if you are to advertise yourself, be sensible, know your strengths and weaknesses... do it in good taste... or you will only attract the very people you don't ever want to get near you
so to all us not-quite-beautiful people out there... you want things to change? tough luck, they will not... its who and what we are... what CAN be changed however, is how you treat yourselves... confidence is good, especially when backed by at least some facts... you don't want your sons to marry pudgy-fingered matrons only to have the hot chick across the hall play with their guitar hero? then show them what it means to be a good wife... show them that becoming a mother doesn't mean putting life on hold and "forcing" your husband to look elsewhere for that hot piece of ass (naturally, this goes both ways... guys, getting married is no excuse to get a beer belly... for frak's sake, would YOU date yourself if you were a chick?)
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and now you are being naive... we ALL advertise ourselves...
while it may seem like it's pretty valid, "ALL" is a pretty harsh and rushed conclusion. Let's just keep it at that (no, nothing to do with me...)
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@ Lith-Maetor
If I understand the gist of your lenthy post right, than your point is that "cheap" doesn't equal sexy, but tasteless.
Does that help? Not really. Tastes DIFFER. They are subjective. There is no ultimate good or bad taste. Moreover it depends on the purpose of the "advertiser" and the "looker".
What I really don't like is this judgemental thing people do about other people. Experience has taught be to be careful, if people come up with negative labels for people. Because they express some kind of offense. You may call another person "drab" or "boring" or "not very interesting" "who?" and so on which expresses a lack of appeal. However, "cheap" and "tasteless" (and some others) express something different which Milena imo correctly identified: there's a catch, a "but" involved, an excuse, if you want to.
These labels say, "I DID look, I WAS interested, BUT I shouldn't have been. It was primitive, it was cheap, it was tasteless, BUT my interest was STILL piqued. I'd have expected better from myself".
You know, if you delve a bit into history, you'll see that this is EXACTLY the reason why, in the Middle Ages and later, women would be burned as witches:
Men, especially men of the church EXPECTED from themselves to be able to control themselves. Not thinking about lust and so on. Not having sinful thoughts. QUITE obviously (for us now) this is PRETTY difficult to maintain to say the least - which was something many of them had trouble to cope with. After all, they WANTED to be "good" - they just COULDN'T.
Now, of course, then, that wasn't THEIR fault. Had to be the women who were in leaguw with the devil and so on.
This is basically the same mechanism at work.
Milena is right: Cheap turns on. More often than not tasteless does the same. Because people just WANT cheap sometimes. Or tasteless. Whether they like it or not. And this is true for BOTH sexes, mind you, even if there are a couple of differences, but the main theme is the same.
Zo round this up: I don't think that this has anything to do with "beauty". Beauty is definitely NOT just good looks. In my opinion beauty is a very complex concept. What we are talking about here is more like handsomeness.
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posted January 07, 2009 07:28 AM |
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Everyone has their own taste of women & what they like in a woman.
Who are you or me to judge who is cheap & what is not cheap?
We judge for ourselves not listening to a person who says it's cheap.
Some other peoples eyes it may not be.
We judge from within ourselves.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted January 07, 2009 07:34 AM |
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*rubs chin*
JJ... not quite
let me put it differently
take two girls... twins in fact, they are IDENTICAL as far as looks go, but completely different in everything else
now dress them in EXACTLY the same clothes, makeup, etc
one of them can be cheap without the other being cheap as well... because they will carry themselves in vastly different ways, even though they are wearing exactly the same outfits
that said, bad taste is a good way to go for cheap, instead of sexy
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posted January 07, 2009 08:06 AM |
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And the difference between cheap and sexy is, exactly?
I suppose you mean the following: sexy means "hinting" at sensuality while cheap means "pointing" at it with a lamppost.
Do you?
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Lith-Maethor
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posted January 07, 2009 08:09 AM |
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*points up*
see definition of porn... same thing for cheap
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