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posted May 09, 2011 07:29 PM |
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As an American, you embarrass me Elodin.
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posted May 09, 2011 07:31 PM |
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And as a human being, I embarass myself!
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posted May 09, 2011 07:40 PM |
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No, US soldiers don't "often" target civilians. Sometimes a psycho freak may but it is false to say US soldiers do so "often."
There are several cases of psycho freaks (hence, the ones I said were idiots) going out of control that happen regularly. I never said _all_ soldiers often target civilians. So no, my statement is not false as it wasn't a blanket over the entire military.
As I mentioned, the idiots often do. Have I ever said all American soldiers were idiots? No. So they do not qualify. Now I'm sorry if you read my statement wrong, there is a certain amount of clarity lacking when you read something over the internet and hopefully this straightens it out.
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posted May 09, 2011 07:54 PM |
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As an American, you embarrass me Elodin.
Ah well, I'm not part of the "I'm sorry America is the most evil and murderous nation that has ever existed and those who oppose America are freedom fighters" American left. 
93% of all Americans support the military action that killed bin Laden. 5% don't approve and 2% don't know. So even most of the American left is on board the truth train this time. Probably only because the president is leftist though. If Bush were still president no doubt the reaction of the left would be different.
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posted May 09, 2011 07:56 PM |
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Supporting death is a truth train?
Disgusting. Really. Disgusting.
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posted May 09, 2011 08:45 PM |
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Well, this death is more of a symbol of good triumphing over the evil, if you want. But Elodin is either naive or a provocateur, as I can't understand this "America is right" whatever it happens, while on small details as banning burkas, other countries suddenly are wrong. As every colonialist power, America did a lot of things in the wrong way and caused a lot of sufferance over broad. You break my ears with "Ousama is a mass murderer because 3500 innocent are dead", but will never recall that 200 000 japanese died in a single day because your country. Were I you, I would shut up and let it go.
War is complicate. Once in, there is no innocent country left.
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posted May 09, 2011 08:58 PM |
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Well, this death is more of a symbol of good triumphing over the evil
LOL! No sorry, but LOL! I don't think I have anything to do in this thread.
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posted May 09, 2011 09:58 PM |
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yeah, the point was that comparing a single man to a whole nation isn't really a fair comparison.
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93% of all Americans support the military action that killed bin Laden. 5% don't approve and 2% don't know. So even most of the American left is on board the truth train this time.
lol, it has nothing to do with truth. the fact that Osama was killed is the truth (or it seems to be, at least) but whether he should have been killed or no, it's just an opinion, it has nothing to do with truth
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The discussion here is pointless since no "nation as a whole" can do anything since it's an abstract concept.
Since no collective exists, Elodin writing about "nation as a whole being this and that" is pointless as every person is unique within the nation.
This goes both ways as people blaming the US blame... well, what, actually? the people? Then they are doing it wrong because the collective responsibility is BS. And blaming abstract concepts is as pointless as ever.
one point of the concept of nation, is that people leading them can flee the responsibility for their mistakes, by hiding behind that concept. instead of saying, "I did a mistake, I will pay", they say "we (the whole nation) did a mistake". and citizens of the nation have to pay instead of the one who did the mistake
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posted May 09, 2011 11:12 PM |
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It's really rather ridiculous to equate the actions of one man to the actions of a 300ish year old country. If we are going to be making statements like "The US has killed X more innocents than Al-Quada", then we might as well say that "Mongolia has killed X more innocents" or "france has killed X more innocents" or "Spain has killed X more innocents" or "Every country that has been around for more than 30 years that fought a revolution at one point or another has killed X more innocents than Al-Quada."
Please choose a different argument. 
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posted May 09, 2011 11:30 PM |
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It is not about who killed more. Is about Elodin saying that He and His country are right, always, everywhere, for ever. Join the fun.
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posted May 09, 2011 11:44 PM |
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It is not about who killed more. Is about Elodin saying that He and His country are right, always, everywhere, for ever. Join the fun.
Sorry, no, I've never said America has never been wrong about anything. However, I've noticed that you bash America QUITE a lot.
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posted May 09, 2011 11:59 PM |
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And I notice that there are a few bashes that aren't really that bad that you blow way out of proportion. Now, Texas might be a bit more USA self-righteous than Minnesnowta, but I think that most Americans could ignore a comment like:
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The USA could have taken *generic public enemy* alive and tried him in court.
There really isn't a problem with this. You don't have to constantly denounce the people who state it because the marines who killed *generic public enemy* are heroes in your (and most other people's) eyes. It's like you are taking it as a personal insult or something. If that's the case, then lighten up man.
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posted May 10, 2011 12:32 AM |
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No Elodin, not bashing. America is a great place to live, my first pick when I immigrated, however I was from East Europe and they refused me without this and that, and later when I could, it was too late to change for the fourth time the country. But I am not blind, your presidents do you a lot of harm sometimes, and it is not them who pay. There is a lot of extreme poverty there, so the one who says me "we give a lot of money to other countries first, we are great, perfect and yada", I roll my eyes. I have the same attitude here, when France offer to africans huge aids, while so many burglars. If you need to be assisted when immigrating, don't do it. Do it when you can survive by your own.
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posted May 10, 2011 12:53 AM |
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I find it somewhat curious that most people seem to think that France / USA are the greatest places to live, when they have never put a foot there 
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posted May 10, 2011 01:01 AM |
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Why France is a good place to live? 800 euros when you have no work, 200 euros/month for each kid you have, free health care, a lot of leftist irresponsibles which will help you remain a thief, possibility to bring in court any boss who refused you and sue him because of presumable racism, and so on.
Take an african who gains 1 euro/day in his country. Why would he ever work if he has hundred times this income only by taking the boat and coming here. Now we know why the french system is broken and almost dead. The idea that no one should live in poverty is great, the downside is that it generates laziness.
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posted May 10, 2011 01:39 AM |
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The KKK is not a Christian organization or denomination though it seems you love to claim it is since you do so a lot.
Elodin, in a world where you can be regarded as Christian, anyone can.
You're in luck, however, because I found a video that made me forgive the US military everything.
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posted May 10, 2011 07:14 AM |
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People, you've picked the wrong battlefield.
There is no way to regard al quaida and bin laden with anything else than loathing and disgust. Their actions don't have the - even in that case doubtful - purpose to change or better anything. They are not fighting for anything except personal revenge, for slapping and humiliating and hurting a political entity and some of its "values".
For that aim they are picking "targets" - to make the slap sting -, and for that purpose they kill people.
It's too much honor fur such a bunch of snows to pick them as a means to try and prove something to another person. They are not worth a thread this long, because they are scum.
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Why France is a good place to live? 800 euros when you have no work
Jesus... and we work our butts in Poland to earn 500...
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posted May 10, 2011 09:25 AM |
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Another day, another corpse, another hmhmhmhmhmhm.
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There is no way to regard al quaida and bin laden with anything else than loathing and disgust.
Sure, look at them from the moral high ground, hate them, treat them as abominations of the human society. This will make sure that they'll disappear... Or not.
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posted May 10, 2011 09:42 AM |
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What has that to do with everything? Do you think you can make them disappear by discussing them here in this forum? Or by regarding them with anything else than loathing and disgust?
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