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bLiZzArdbOY
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posted May 03, 2011 02:34 PM

Which administration is he working for? Bush Jr? Obama? Both? When did he sign on? Was he working under Clinton, Bush Sr., and Reagan?


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posted May 03, 2011 02:46 PM

The national security, intelligence, counter-intelligence, etc. agencies are not tied to a particular temporary government but to a particular system - the latter is much more consistent in its behaviour. Bin Laden was a good friend of CIA when they needed people to bleed out the Soviets in Afghanistan between 1979 and 1988, just like another recent demon - Saddam - was their good friend when they tried to get rid of Khomeini shortly after the Islamic revolution in Iran. I'm not claiming anything but I'm not excluding anything either.

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posted May 03, 2011 03:59 PM
Edited by bLiZzArdbOY at 16:13, 03 May 2011.

So would Osama's network of followers be in on it also?

Why would Osama adhere to a ploy to help Obama in the polls, when neocons like Bush Jr. have a much harder stance toward Iran? Osama was a Wahabist (unless all of that is fake also), so it would make sense for him to want the downfall of the Shia Iranian regime, or does he have some other interest that would make him an ally to the CIA?
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posted May 03, 2011 04:28 PM

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posted May 03, 2011 09:37 PM

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A Senior US Official tells CNN 10 hard drives, 5 computers and more than 100 storage devices which includes discs, DVDs and thumb drives were taken from the compound.



There should be some useful information there. If Pakistani officials knew his location odds are it'll be in there. Bank accounts, terror cell locations, ect.
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posted May 03, 2011 11:40 PM

Considering I was there when the towers fell, considering some of my friends lost their loved ones, considering I am all pro death penalty, I am really glad he was killed, I can't think of anyone who deserved it more HOWEVER I must say I didn't like the concept of cheering in the streets that took place afterwards, found it quite distasteful, reminded me of something they (the enemy) would do, I understand the emotions but I always thought we would be better than that.... just my opinion though, no offense intended

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posted May 03, 2011 11:43 PM

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HOWEVER I must say I didn't like the concept of cheering in the streets that took place afterwards, found it quite distasteful, reminded me of something they (the enemy) would do,

Oddly enough, I had the same feeling.  For me it evoked media depictions of Arabs and muslims in the middle east cheering and firing their guns in the air when the towers fell.

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posted May 03, 2011 11:56 PM

I did not find it distasteful. People cheered when they heard about Ben Laden's death for the same reason people cheer in movie theaters when the good guy finally takes down the bad guy after a long hard road. It has been a long hard road for America with the loss of so many lives and we have been persuing him for a decade. The bad guy has finally been taken out and will not be responsible for any more murders. Cheering is a natural emotional reaction to the situation.
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posted May 04, 2011 12:02 AM

Is cheering for someone's death all right!? Is it all right that you are happy that someone had died!?

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posted May 04, 2011 12:02 AM
Edited by Jabanoss at 00:02, 04 May 2011.

@Elodin
I thought you loved him?

On a serious note though, I too did find it distasteful.
I don't know it felt like it was so overdone and for some other reasons as well.
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posted May 04, 2011 12:08 AM

Elodin loves Osama bin Laden, and yet he cheers when the man is killed and blithely compares the violent termination of his life to the cartoonish ending of an action movie.  

Strange notion of love he has.

Call me crazy, but I don't make a habit of cheering when people die, even when I think they deserve it.  I think it's rather sad when it becomes necessary to have to kill someone for our collective safety.  It isn't something that makes me happy.  At best, I'd call it grim satisfaction.

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posted May 04, 2011 12:14 AM

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people cheer in movie theaters when the good guy finally takes down the bad guy


Let me guess, when you're in the movie theater you also scream at the screen "No, don't go in there, the killer is waiting for you!"
never understood the phenomena and always felt like punching someone

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posted May 04, 2011 12:21 AM

I am not a christian, but I feel sadness when a man is killed before he could argument his defense. Nothing deserves EXPEDITIOUSLY death.
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posted May 04, 2011 12:43 AM

To be honest, I'm actually sort of apathetic to the whole thing. It has gone on for so long, that I know this is a hollow victory, and little more than spite. Still, I have no problem with a man who committed crimes against humanity being killed without a trial or chance to live that he denied to thousands.

The world is better with one less monster in it.
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posted May 04, 2011 12:54 AM
Edited by shyranis at 00:59, 04 May 2011.

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I did not find it distasteful. People cheered when they heard about Ben Laden's death for the same reason people cheer in movie theaters when the good guy finally takes down the bad guy after a long hard road. It has been a long hard road for America with the loss of so many lives and we have been persuing him for a decade. The bad guy has finally been taken out and will not be responsible for any more murders. Cheering is a natural emotional reaction to the situation.


I find it distasteful because the people who cheered when the towers fell felt exactly what you described.

It's just a cycle of hatred that keeps going and going with different groups taking turns being the "victorious good guy" when they hurt somebody else.

Bin Laden deserved to die, but only after a lengthy trial and a life of solitary confinement to let him suffer it out and to deny him the violent death he preaches will bring you to heaven. Only then would justice truly have been served.



He thanks you for killing him instead of letting him die a peaceful death, which his extremist kind preaches would make him have to wait in hell for half of eternity.

His death is exactly what he wanted, now in death he's become a symbol and not just some small, bitter, cowardly man.

Edit: Note, I'm not saying his death was avoidable either. I'm sure if left to his own devices trying to apprehend him he'd probably blow himself up instead.
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posted May 04, 2011 12:58 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 00:58, 04 May 2011.

It is superficial to design a single individual as only guilty for the 11th drama. It was interesting for me to read his early speech on Alzajira, all was not BS. I guess this is how USA is perceived in the whole Arabic world, maybe concessions should be made on both sides?

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posted May 04, 2011 01:25 AM
Edited by gnomes2169 at 03:35, 04 May 2011.

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That's... That's scary. I think that I'm actually empathizing with the guy...

Why have I never heard of this?
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Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.


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The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.


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And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.


The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at the White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief among them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr. to the region.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.



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And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him: "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction - assuming they exist - is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.


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So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying "like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth".

So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.


And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorise the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behoves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Wow.
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posted May 04, 2011 03:53 AM
Edited by Fauch at 03:55, 04 May 2011.

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That's... That's scary. I think that I'm actually empathizing with the guy...


it's quite common when a man seek power, calling the pity of people.

well, what does that guy have for him, except the power to influence weak-minded people with long speeches?

the justification are pathetic. americans killed our people so we kill your people

oh, bush is such a bad guy... well, obviously he forgot to watch himself in a mirror before judging other people

and of course, allah is always on his side...

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But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.


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So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.

And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorise the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behoves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say: "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision."

It is as if they were telling you, the people of America: "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes."

And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry. "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said: "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that: "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.


wow, what a disgusting hypocrisy.

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posted May 04, 2011 03:55 AM

Of course, this does not change my absolute disgust at everything he did. It just makes him more human.
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posted May 04, 2011 04:00 AM
Edited by Fauch at 04:05, 04 May 2011.

you mean, human, as smithey would define a human?

certainly not human in the meaning of compassionate.

and if he really believed what he said, then he was really insane.

I guess hitler sounded just as human. but well, monsters do not look like monsters, but like normal humans.

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It is superficial to design a single individual as only guilty for the 11th drama. It was interesting for me to read his early speech on Alzajira, all was not BS. I guess this is how USA is perceived in the whole Arabic world, maybe concessions should be made on both sides?

well, that speech doesn't sound like bin laden was going to do any concession, him, the messiah, protector of the weaks, fighter of freedom, savior of america...

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