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Salamandre
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posted April 14, 2013 02:08 PM |
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Well, he can say whatever, he is not religion authority. They do not agree with him, so why bother. The good point is that he also can ask for forgiveness for taking the wrong way, so all is not lost.
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artu
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posted April 14, 2013 02:11 PM |
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You're the one who introduced the problem as "The question is to which point Elodin considers the church to be the root and the regulator of religion."
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posted April 14, 2013 02:14 PM |
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But if he doesn't then he is outsider, a no-law man. Claiming evidences shared by millions of people around, when you clearly have a opposite code of conduct is not worth a debate IMO.
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posted April 14, 2013 02:24 PM |
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Imagine him talking to a priest working in a prison, who devoted his entire life listening to the confessions of murderers asking for redemption.
- Why bother Father, they are not Christians anyway.
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posted April 14, 2013 02:28 PM |
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Nobody says they can't become Christians if they truly seek redemption in Jesus.
Of course that if you take a life just for the heck of it you can't really be a Christian.
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artu
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posted April 14, 2013 02:37 PM |
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Nobody says they can't become Christians if they truly seek redemption in Jesus.
Yes, they did:
"No Christian has ever murdered anyone. There have been "wolves in sheeps clothing," as Jesus warned there would be, who have done so, but no Christian has done so."
Let's say I'm a Christian, I catch my wife cheating on me, go mad,shoot her. I go to prison, confess, ask for forgiveness.
According to you, I was a Christian before the act, I was a Christian after the act cause I seek for redemption. But during those 5 minutes I pulled out the gun and shot her, I was not a Christian. Nice...
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posted April 14, 2013 02:42 PM |
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You were a Christian, but you broke one of the most important rules. If you were a true Christian you wouldn't murder your wife no matter what she did. Being Christian means being Christ-like.
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posted April 14, 2013 02:44 PM |
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So? There is still no urge to do bad things.
Having worked in law enforcement for many years I can safely say you are clueless. There are people out there with all sorts of ideas of what they'd like to do to someone that could only be described as "bad things." We managed to catch some of them. After they'd already given in to those urges.
Dude, you may have a clue about Texan law enforcement, but I do NOT think you know why people do what they do or do not do, not to mention whether there is an "urge" that would FORCE people to do something (what would make that of free will?).
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SCIENTIFIC FACT, however is, that it is IMPOSSIBLE - eve for God - to know two complementary attributes of a particle at the same time, for example, position and impulse, which means, that it's impossible to get ALL information. Secondly, there are quantum processes in the brain as well, which ultimately means, that human decisions cannot be predicted with 100% certainty either, and in this material universe, that's a fundamental characteristic of it - it's STRUCTURED that way.
What total, complete, utter crap. There has been no scientific experiment that has verified what God can and can't know.
God lives in every point in the space-time continuum and transcends it. God is "I AM", the eternal, ever present, all knowing, all powerful being who caused everything to exist.
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r how would you name a being that can do EVERYTHING that is possible. Would such a being NOT be all-powerful? So why do you define all-powerful as being able to do the IMpossible?
God can do anything that is intrinsically possible. He can't make a square circle because a square circle is not intrinsically possible.
It might come as a shock to you, Elodin, but "knowing two complementary attributes of a particle at the same time, for example, position and impulse", is just as "intrinsically impossible" as making a square circle - which means that your omniscient god can only know everything that is POSSIBLE to know, but not what is IMPOSSIBLE to know.
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In short: religion is just the mortar we use to fill the gaps in insights about our existence and the world we live in.
Those gaps have become less through the millennia and centuries, but the biggest of them all are still yawning wide open.
Perhaps that is true of your religion, but it is not true of religion in general. Theistic religions deal with man's relationship with God and with his fellow man and does not care so much for "what is the temperature of the sun" or "how long can a whale stay under before it must surface to breath?" Religion tends to delve into the "deeper", more meaningful matters that science has no tools for measuring.
A person who ignores the spiritual side of life is ignoring much of what it means to be human. I pity them. 
This might come as a shock for you as well, but strangely enough there is no contradiction between my quote and your quote here, but it seems you do not even realize that ...
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posted April 14, 2013 02:44 PM |
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He was not married, a guy who never had his wife cheat on him knows nothing abut life.
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posted April 14, 2013 03:19 PM |
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But in theory, as in the Bible, it says that a woman must be to a man what the church is for Christ. But in practice, that's pretty nearing impossible, no matter if they're religious or not.
Since I was seriously deceived in relationships a couple of times, I began to think that a soul-mate and the descriptions of husband & wife in Ephesians were a bunch of hooey. Turn's out both are real and can happen and it was me that was full of hooey.
I have my soul-mate today and she's absolutely amazing, meaning; She absolutely completed me as a man. There was no shred of preconception or expectation on my part; chiefly because I did not have any way of knowing or understanding the impact She was to have on me. This is very hard to put into words but everything Paul said, proved to be true for us.
For non-believers, I don't know what would accurately describe things in scientific terms but I suppose it would have to be a DNA connect of some sort. I don't think it's the opposites-attract bit at all but I think it's a jigsaw-puzzle of two imperfect-sides melding into one more-complete whole...and hitting all realms; mental, physical and spiritual.
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posted April 14, 2013 03:35 PM |
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I'm glad you did find her Markkur. But it doesn;t make me feel any better 
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posted April 14, 2013 03:39 PM |
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I have my soul-mate today and she's absolutely amazing, meaning; She absolutely completed me as a man. There was no shred of preconception or expectation on my part; chiefly because I did not have any way of knowing or understanding the impact She was to have on me.
Well, the way I see it, there are some relations in which you look at the couple and say they complete each other and then there are some relations in which the couple... well.. just gets along okay. But the question is, is the term soul-mate an overstatement? Don't get me wrong, I am not opposing to the term "soul" here because I am a materialist, in every day language we use these terms, we say "you're in my heart" although in fact we know that the heart is a pump and our emotions are in the brain. They are metaphors and that's fine.
The term soul-mate may be an overstatement because it indicates, that person and only that person would have ever been THE person to complete you. Now, when we're in love, we feel like that. But what if, we had never met the soul-mate we did. What if, we took the bus instead of the train that day? Does it really mean there was never going to be anybody else that would make us feel like that? If one is unlucky one might never even encounter one of those matches BUT does it really mean it was going to be impossible for any other person to make you feel that way? I am not talking about an identical relationship because every relationship is unique, I am talking about an alternative relationship, that if things had been different (bus-train), would make you feel as strongly as you do with the one you're in.
I don't think there is a valid answer to that question.
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posted April 14, 2013 03:48 PM |
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To me, women are one of the greatest mysteries of the known universe.
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posted April 14, 2013 03:53 PM |
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Would be interesting to see if women held this religion-atheism discussion,how would they talk to each other?
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posted April 14, 2013 03:56 PM |
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I can never figure out what a woman would do or will do, why they talk the way they do, why they don't talk at all, it's almost like they're aliens to me.
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artu
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posted April 14, 2013 03:59 PM |
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Anyway, a few more off topic posts and the wrath of Corribus will be upon us. So let's cut it out before it all gets deleted.
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posted April 14, 2013 04:09 PM |
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Ok then. Back to your question, everyone I know says everyone has one soulmate somewhere but I believe that's not exactly true. It's not like one woman and no other will be the one I will love, but what do I know about them? Nothing. So maybe Paul knew what he was saying but I can't see it yet.
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artu
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posted April 14, 2013 04:12 PM |
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I prefer John's stance. Imagine there's no heaven
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 14, 2013 04:18 PM |
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I used to refer to the Beatles as the holy men of music, at least in the 20th century.
John Lennon also said:
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of men
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
Not that different from what I believe.
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Woman: "God, how long is a million years to you?"
God: "A million years is like a minute."
Woman: "God, how much is a million dollars to you?"
God: "A million dollars is like a penny."
The woman thought for a short time and asked: "God, will you give me a penny?"
"In a minute," God responded.
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