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phoenix0109
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posted February 15, 2013 01:59 AM |
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Defeat Xeron?
Could anyone give me any hint how to defeat Xeron?
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2013 04:58 AM |
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Could anyone give me any hint how to defeat Xeron?
It depends on whether if you play Master of Devil faction or not I guess. If not, merge all Arch Devils into one stack, stay in the right corner so that only 2 stacks of Hell Baron can attack you, lower their numbers as much as possible. Now since HB has No Retaliation you can keep them alive with very low number while other stacks can't attack you (AI is stupid so don't worry, they won't try changing their positions), use Attack and Return to kill everything, and finish the last 2 stacks that cover you. Remember this strategy because you will use it a lot in the upcoming battles. If you play Master of Devil then it's different since his HBs also have your upgrades now, I also don't remember much about this faction so probably have to wait for Sal.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted February 15, 2013 07:49 AM |
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Xeron can't do anything if you protect your AD with Efreets. Then just keep resurrecting them until his forces are decimated.
Mass Slow and Bless/Prayer of course may help here, not sure if you have the other two at that point of game, though.
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phoenix0109
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 15, 2013 09:22 AM |
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Could anyone give me any hint how to defeat Xeron?
It depends on whether if you play Master of Devil faction or not I guess. If not, merge all Arch Devils into one stack, stay in the right corner so that only 2 stacks of Hell Baron can attack you, lower their numbers as much as possible. Now since HB has No Retaliation you can keep them alive with very low number while other stacks can't attack you (AI is stupid so don't worry, they won't try changing their positions), use Attack and Return to kill everything, and finish the last 2 stacks that cover you. Remember this strategy because you will use it a lot in the upcoming battles. If you play Master of Devil then it's different since his HBs also have your upgrades now, I also don't remember much about this faction so probably have to wait for Sal.
I'm playing MoD, using wrong strategy the first time playing this map. Didn't face Wystan until M14, when AI was so strong... Restarted the game, now month8, tried quite a lot of times on Xeron with 500HB, but never get close to winning..I will try with some efreet today.
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phoenix0109
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posted February 15, 2013 10:41 AM |
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I couldn't use tactics fighting Xeron...
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 15, 2013 12:12 PM |
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Well, there are so many variants possible after upgrading creatures that I can only give an advice after looking at save. Upload if you can.
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phoenix0109
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posted February 15, 2013 03:33 PM |
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Well, there are so many variants possible after upgrading creatures that I can only give an advice after looking at save. Upload if you can.
Thanks Sal.
[url=http://wikisend.com/download/120600/iv_xeron.GM1]save_xeron[/url]
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 15, 2013 03:48 PM |
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Your troops are bad calibrated: archdevils have immunity lev 1 + immunity lev 1-3 spells, which basically give same thing. They should have immunity fire + immunity 1-3. Then you have 1500 demons, by month 8 you should have 50 000 at least, boosted with haste/prayer and immunity 1 (btw your imps have still 4 health, they should be upgraded to 16 asap then farm). Then you did not upgrade even once your devils attack/damage and speed. They should be at maximum damage at least and destroy xeron in one/two turns.
Tew4 requires fast expansion, because of bonuses from creature banks. Commodus should never take any creature bank after 2nd month, his role is to advance and expand, you have enough generals for doing the kitchen. I am sorry and I know it is frustrating to play for hours then find the strategy used was not the right, but that's it: tew is for offensive style players.
Save note: Prayer spell + air node + cornucopia not visited, left side from town "4". Summon a boat.
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
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posted February 15, 2013 05:55 PM |
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@phoenix0109,as a player to player-only Sal can make 50 000 demons in 8 months,but you should have at least 15 000-20 000 then.
Later they are farmed in numbers faster.
If you can't visit with your generals all the CB's,I suggest if you visit with Commodus any CB,the CB to be the Caves of gods.And explore with him further.
Pay attention to examples in this thread about the MoD faction.
I haven't played it yet.My first play was with MoE-16 months.
And then I tried faster-with MoW-12 months,with MoS-even faster.
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Warmonger
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fallen artist
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posted February 15, 2013 06:01 PM |
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Last time I played, I didn't use Demons up to Erdamon I think, who is 3/4 of game while Xeron is about 1/3? So Demons are not a must.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 15, 2013 06:05 PM |
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Sure, but he plays MoD and Xeron's 700 devils have same stats and immunities as ours. Which makes the battle hard if damage not to max/or demons.
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phoenix0109
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 15, 2013 07:25 PM |
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Your troops are bad calibrated: archdevils have immunity lev 1 + immunity lev 1-3 spells, which basically give same thing. They should have immunity fire + immunity 1-3. Then you have 1500 demons, by month 8 you should have 50 000 at least, boosted with haste/prayer and immunity 1 (btw your imps have still 4 health, they should be upgraded to 16 asap then farm). Then you did not upgrade even once your devils attack/damage and speed. They should be at maximum damage at least and destroy xeron in one/two turns.
Tew4 requires fast expansion, because of bonuses from creature banks. Commodus should never take any creature bank after 2nd month, his role is to advance and expand, you have enough generals for doing the kitchen. I am sorry and I know it is frustrating to play for hours then find the strategy used was not the right, but that's it: tew is for offensive style players.
Save note: Prayer spell + air node + cornucopia not visited, left side from town "4". Summon a boat.
OMG, completely missed the point where I can summon a boat...still have the save from conquer town "4", restart from there then..
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phoenix0109
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posted February 16, 2013 05:07 PM |
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Your troops are bad calibrated: archdevils have immunity lev 1 + immunity lev 1-3 spells, which basically give same thing. They should have immunity fire + immunity 1-3. Then you have 1500 demons, by month 8 you should have 50 000 at least, boosted with haste/prayer and immunity 1 (btw your imps have still 4 health, they should be upgraded to 16 asap then farm). Then you did not upgrade even once your devils attack/damage and speed. They should be at maximum damage at least and destroy xeron in one/two turns.
Tew4 requires fast expansion, because of bonuses from creature banks. Commodus should never take any creature bank after 2nd month, his role is to advance and expand, you have enough generals for doing the kitchen. I am sorry and I know it is frustrating to play for hours then find the strategy used was not the right, but that's it: tew is for offensive style players.
Save note: Prayer spell + air node + cornucopia not visited, left side from town "4". Summon a boat.
To have a 1:1 ratio farming demon, I need to update imps health to 25, but not 16..
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 16, 2013 06:11 PM |
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted February 18, 2013 03:39 AM |
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Sal can you fix the bug that if you obtain a creature dwelling before converting a town that town doesn't get the bonus growth from the dwelling? This bug doesn't exist in TEW III. Not that big of a deal I guess but still quite annoying.
Also what happen if I go Master of Elements yet delete the Sorcery Skill, do I still get the double spell dmg bonus?
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 18, 2013 10:17 AM |
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Tew 3 does not use converted dwellings, I found no way to bypass that bug. I tried several solutions, as deleting the dwelling, replace it on map, still the inferno towns did not recognize it. The only last solution which came to my mind was to add manually growth depending on how many dwellings you own-but the growth info in town will still show wrong-. I will look into when have time.
You can delete sorcery, bonus will remain (a little weakened when casting still), however if you delete logistic specialty, you will lose the regular bonus.
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phoenix0109
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 18, 2013 10:57 AM |
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Galthran
Any tips on how to get minimum loss fighting Galthran? I enhanced magic arrow, to get 300-400 liches with one arrow. But she still takes a lot of my efreets...
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted February 18, 2013 11:06 AM |
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phoenix0109
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 18, 2013 11:12 AM |
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Meh, magic arrow. Upgrade your devils damage to max, that's all.
HB already has 100 damage, which I think is the max right? 130 defence.
I didn't loose HB (1300 HB), but I lost 950 efreets...
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Warmonger
Promising
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fallen artist
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posted February 18, 2013 11:59 AM |
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If he talks about Magic Arrow, he probably meant King of The Lyches.
Lots of clones and summoned elementals can help in this fight.
EDIT: I tried to start the game again and try another faction. Anyway, Pasis catches me before I sail away with boat, just one tile missing. What's wrong in here?
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