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OvidiuG
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posted April 09, 2013 08:31 AM |
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Edited by OvidiuG at 08:39, 09 Apr 2013.
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The question is, do you really want to play zillions of battles against Dragons over and over ?.
I don't really understand this area role. I see only exploiting possibilities here.
Why should I artificially level up here? (standard and special level up). Parts of Angelic Alliance should be earned by completing specific steppes of the map. sort of like Cornucopias upgrade.
My opinion.
When I played MoS I stood there 2 days while waiting for time to pass being on Rissa . I got 2 parts of angelic Alliance, boots+neck, but as soon as I moved over Rissa I never came again. I understand now that could have been very beneficial to stand there more , I could've gotten complete AAlliance , 3 4 more levels (meaning more movement, potential devils and mithril) and more levels meaning some more skills.
I see Valery already considered that it requires an increase in Mpoints / battles, then why bothering battle-ing there? shouldn't be more efficient then exploring the map 
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master_learn
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posted April 09, 2013 09:31 AM |
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In fact you explore the map at the same time you farm the Dragon cave.
It is called heroes chain(I am not good at it).
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alisapa1211
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posted April 09, 2013 09:35 AM |
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The point is they synergy with each other. The more battles you have in Dragon Caves the more special levels you get, and since special levels give you more movement you can do even more battles, repeat in cycle. With Sal's rate he will reach 20k movement soon, resulting in being able to get 1 special level per day, you know what would happen at that point.
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master_learn
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posted April 09, 2013 09:39 AM |
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Are the levels circular between 100 and 108 like in TDS?
Haven't reached such level with the old version,with the new one I could.
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OvidiuG
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posted April 09, 2013 10:02 AM |
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I am sure ppl will improve their every day paths to get as many battles there.
Still I don't consider it a good idea, will be more rewarding for those "Chinese" type who care to stand there hundreds of battles and get bonuses which will imbalance the game and general map difficulty.
"oh look you reached a hero who you can't kill...np, I'll just do 200 more battles in Dragons Cave, when I get devils week , get 300 more ADs and win"
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master_learn
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posted April 09, 2013 10:11 AM |
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Look,if many of us wine about that,Sal could even remove Dragon cave.
Question is-do we want that to happen?
I know I don't,especially with the new percent probability of getting relic.
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alisapa1211
Famous Hero
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posted April 09, 2013 10:17 AM |
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Dragon Cave is the only way I can think of now to spend your redundant movement points on, and this already happens to me when I play MoE. Wouldn't be surprise if MoS can clear all the CBs and stuffs with only 4-5 Heroes active, so what will the remaining Heroes do? Either stay in towns and be useless or farm Caves until get some decent bonuses. 2000 movement per fight is a lot (in the old version you only have around 4500 movement for other factions), it is already fine with the change.
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OvidiuG
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posted April 09, 2013 11:03 AM |
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Edited by OvidiuG at 11:08, 09 Apr 2013.
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Ofc I am not asking for the Cave removal, but I am asking simple questions
What to do if your heroes got remaining Mpoints? well that is never an issue for Main hero and when I had remaining mpoints on alter heroes I simply ended turn.
I wrote previously and I'll say it again, what I loved about MoS is the mobility, I finished the map before having full banks that require human intervention and casts, I like em to be cleared on QC w/o losses and that won't happen with Armageddon in month 10+ not in 1 cast anyway, Maybe with MoE 2 x casts but still I have to see the animations and all...
Another thing with MoS I never used Arena..No reason .. For me Arena is simply a time sink. Why should I have secondary heroes of lvl 50 ? they produce 5 mithril / day in alchemy lab. not to mention the hassle of getting them to learn Tportal to get enough troops and a bit of mana to actually clear Arena while getting ignorable amount of mithril as reward. Well as MoW I actually had to level there a few times, Later parts of the map I leveled my heroes in the full Cyclops Banks near town 2 and 3 using Main heroes AD's in day1. Still a hassle
Maybe I am just lazy, all this administrative work will tire you up eventually when playing MoW and you'll start hating to clear all those banks.
Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the map or Valery work. i am just that type of player who likes having quick turns and hard battles fought with main hero, who will rise and rise until legendary stats and armies. I appreciate administrative work done with secondary heroes who work for the strength of the empire but on MoW 1 turn lasts 10 minutes and 9 of those were doing CBs clears. while main hero moves to next battle.
MoS is best for me by far. and I am aware that there are players who like to work and work for their progress and like to play a map for 1 real time month and are sad when that ends, but that is not me.
just stating my case, is what this discussion forum is for , in it?
I am still considering the map on of the best ever...
EDIT: Very important ; I didn't use Turbo Mod in MoW cos I didn't have it. I had to see so many battles on normal animations , all being bank clears. Sad.
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted April 09, 2013 11:04 AM |
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Dragons caves is great for MoE, as you can daily do 3-6 battles there with every hero, which could mean big relics-every turn. It is for MoE that both DC and arena are in, others can profit only periodically.
The problem is that is not zillions of dragons. I am month 5 and try MY SAVE before the changes. Commodus can quick battle dragons caves without any casualties. 1 special level in 50 seconds. This location must be limited by movement.
@Ovidiu; for arena I don't start it before I convert the town nearby in inferno (usually 8th or 9th). Then is easy, you bring a noob in, gives him troops/artefacts with Rion, visit the well nearby, he levels to 45-50 in one fight, teach him TP, make him visit 2-5 trees then hop in alchemist, a matter of 3 days. Then 10 free mithril. Do this 10 times and you get 100 mithril daily. And all this can be done while Commodus ended his turn, so you don't lose time with main.
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OvidiuG
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posted April 09, 2013 11:14 AM |
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@Ovidiu; for arena I don't start it before I convert the town nearby in inferno (usually 8th or 9th). Then is easy, you bring a noob in, gives him troops with Rion, he levels to 45-50 in one fight, teach him TP, make him visit 2-5 trees then hop in alchemist, a matter of 3 days. Then 10 free mithril. Do this 10 times and you get 100 mithril daily.
Ye I noticed that 1 one of your saves and the reason for that town to be Inferno was obvious. You even had it renamed Arena Town I got the idea.
Still .. lazy as I am I appreciate the fact that MoS doesn't need that 
Other players will be thrilled by the fact that a level 1 hero can clear legions on cursed ground and jump directly to lvl 50 in 3 turns.
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted April 09, 2013 11:17 AM |
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Yea but I wouldn't be crazy and ask a player to lose a levl 50 hero if leveling to 50 took 1 month. He will laugh in my face.
Anyway, there is no reason for despair
This is minor change and only concerns one object, and the change is made for the best of challenge, my save is proof that previous state can be exploited endlessly and leads to broken game within very little effort. I am trying to not make same mistakes as Dragon Slaughter.
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master_learn
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posted April 09, 2013 12:02 PM |
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@Ovidiu,you could farm millions of skeletons in Arena,as one of the screens show.
That means not only clearing legions,but creating them as well.
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alisapa1211
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posted April 09, 2013 12:12 PM |
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So is the Witch Huts change included in the new version or not? Really interested in it.
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Salamandre
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posted April 09, 2013 12:19 PM |
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Yes, they offer hidden skills. But never used one so far, I get all I need via normal leveling, so is not capital, to use only if very bad luck on Commodus.
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OvidiuG
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posted April 09, 2013 12:55 PM |
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@Ovidiu,you could farm millions of skeletons in Arena,as one of the screens show.
That means not only clearing legions,but creating them as well.
Ye
I assembled Cloak in my MoS game, did 2 fights where I raised some skellies then I sold it to Mithril. I couldn't be arsed channeling time in that direction
I assume you could get a stack of skellies which could hit as hard as the demons if you have enough patience
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alisapa1211
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posted April 09, 2013 12:58 PM |
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@Ovidiu,you could farm millions of skeletons in Arena,as one of the screens show.
That means not only clearing legions,but creating them as well.
Ye
I assembled Cloak in my MoS game, did 2 fights where I raised some skellies then I sold it to Mithril. I couldn't be arsed channeling time in that direction
I assume you could get a stack of skellies which could hit as hard as the demons if you have enough patience
Actually with the new growth (benefits skeletons) they may really do, haven't tried it though .
Btw Sal if you release the map on maps4heroes I think it's a better idea to release it as a stand alone/ separated version instead of just an update for the old one, probably will attract more people to download play again this way, map feels like a brand new one at this point anyway.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted April 09, 2013 01:02 PM |
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Now imagine if skellies could be converted to demons, just a single line code...no, I won't but is tempting.
Well, if you get a few millions of skells warriors they will hit much harder than 50k demons, the problem is still the speed, they will be stuck at 12-14 or so, with combo they will be at ACE level automatically.
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Dr_Zomboss
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posted April 09, 2013 02:09 PM |
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stupid map!!!!Im in the start and i try to kill the 60 swordsman with only 4 archdevils!!!
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OvidiuG
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posted April 09, 2013 02:20 PM |
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stupid map!!!!Im in the start and i try to kill the 60 swordsman with only 4 archdevils!!!
Consider kiting the swordsmen with slow while waiting with Arch Devils.
Also if you can't do that fight, you'd better try another map or another game.
If you're trolling then ... try better
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
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posted April 09, 2013 02:27 PM |
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Sal,i think you could actually do that.
Just put some hero with the skellies within the border gates near the cactuses(where you take the creatures).
The requirement-creatures taken(empty squares where they were)AND removing town portal with entering them.
Then the hero is stuck with the skellies and they are converted to
demons,so this becomes excelent decoration(if you don't deismiss the hero immediately).
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