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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted June 19, 2012 07:03 AM |
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You already mentioned that you don't mind spending your parents' money in the other topics, no need to mention it here too.
@ Xerox
Xerox, dont even listen to that..
People are not supposed to look into your pocket!
It is totally not their business, where and how you get your money from!!!
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 19, 2012 07:57 AM |
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dear Zenofex
Alow me to introduce my self.. My name is David Tlusták (real public name) and under my Nickname Dave Jame i have worked on the czech fansite Heroes-Centrum.com as the editor and translater for more then 6 years now. I am an active person who gives his time to inform people about news and informatio about Might and Magic games and brand. I help them with problems and somehow try to help with things they do not understand. I have played most of the games in the franchies, not only heroes games. My favorite are M&M VI an HoM&M II. If I feel like i need to do something creative I try to make an article or two for our site, get an QaA from some related companies or create an Wikia article. I especially love the Enrothian and Ashan lore. So this is what you get for asking me if I know something about Might and Magic
Now let me teach you two things
One: Who is a Fan, and creates the Fanbase. A fan is person who likes the game and invests time into it even if he does not play it. Fans make fansites, maps, modes etc. I am a fan of Might and Magic.
A common player just buyes the game, playes it and move on. He only gives his money into the game and nothing else. He does not help to expand the game or to create some background for it. I am a Player of World of tanks.
Each of them give aprox the same money to a game. But, Fans are more demanding. So it is more expensive to please them. On the other hand the number of common players is much bigger. So if you are a business man witch of these two would you focuse Primarely on?
Two: As for the DLC.
You somehow seem to fail to see, that the marketing boom the game will get is more adventages then the content of the DLC itself. Even if it would be just one stupid map and a DW and not 3x more then this the fact that this 9 months old game will get some spotlight is the best for it. Of course the game will not get back all people who have moved on to the next game. But it is still much better then if they made it free or just focused on patches
And as for me using my own argument against myself. I think you misunderstood one thing. I DO NOT know or think anything about the state of the game after patch 1,5, I did not play it yet. None of us did. But unlike you and all the other "broken toy" people, I am not going to judge it until I have played it, or atleast red some reviews. But until then I know only one thing, and from my point of view I know it for shure
UBI MADE A VERY GOOD MARKTING MOVE WHEN THEY DECIDED TO PUBLISH THE DLC AND PATCH 1,5 AT THE SAME TIME.
And this is the only thing I am trying to tell you here. That they actually made something well and you, as member of the fanbase should know where your position is. And if you think that it is here, stating that the game is Bucked, that Ubi bucked up and they will always buck up whitout ever to actuall help I think you should move to that "Next game on the shelf".
Also reading things like "Elvin took a bribe" is descusting. Elvin invests his free time and energy into this game. Regardles in what shape it is. Why? Because he likes Might and Magic and its legacy. And he will not let himself be stoped by "bad initial state" of it. The game is not finished yet, we can still improve it. But we woun't do this if we call the develepors and each other names. But we can help it, if we show that the base is strong, that we have faith in the game, That we will invest our free time into the game as we did so many years befor, with only a small chance that this invested time will ever actually pay back. We are the fanbase and if we understand our role well we can change a lot, and even more then that.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted June 19, 2012 08:07 AM |
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Also reading things like "Elvin took a bribe" is descusting.
I think that is what we call a "joke" or "lighthearted jab".
And really, is marketing move what they call damage control these days?
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Miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
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posted June 19, 2012 08:21 AM |
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So what faction is it? Crag Hack was always part of stronghold, but seeing how is isn't an Orc, that makes no more sense than any other faction. New pirate faction? Choose your faction? It does say he is a hired mercenary, so having mercenary towns makes as much sense as anything else.
Also will people with the DLC be able to use their content vs people who don't have it? I'm guessing the answer is yes.
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I wish I were employed by a stupendous paragraph, with capitalized English words and expressions.
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted June 19, 2012 08:48 AM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 09:13, 19 Jun 2012.
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So this is what you get for asking me if I know something about Might and Magic
I've not asked you anything about your M&M knowledge, I figured out that you are not a newbie quite some time ago. If that's the problematic part for you: "You haven't played Heroes before or you never bothered checking its story? Who's Crag Hack then and what's he to you?"; this is a question to all "consumers" who in your opinion will buy the DLC no matter that it has nothing of value for the regular player who "moves on" after he plays the game a few dozen times or so. Simply put, you are contradicting yourself.
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Each of them give aprox the same money to a game. But, Fans are more demanding. So it is more expensive to please them. On the other hand the number of common players is much bigger. So if you are a business man witch of these two would you focuse Primarely on?
Look, you have to decide what you claim. You say that the game is abandoned and that means abandoned by ALL or pretty much all players, "fans", "consumers" or whatever other names you put on them. That means that they are ALL or pretty much all dissatisfied or just bored by the game. Since you think that it's important to bring back the "consumers" and not the "fans", I've asked you several times - what is their motivation to come back apart from the irrational urge to spend money?
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You somehow seem to fail to see, that the marketing boom the game will get is more adventages then the content of the DLC itself. Even if it would be just one stupid map and a DW and not 3x more then this the fact that this 9 months old game will get some spotlight is the best for it. Of course the game will not get back all people who have moved on to the next game. But it is still much better then if they made it free or just focused on patches
And that's because? You are just making claims like you are reciting the Constitution but you are not saying anything in their defence. That's not how it works.
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But unlike you and all the other "broken toy" people, I am not going to judge it until I have played it, or atleast red some reviews.
Where do I or the other "broken toy" people claim that the game will certainly remain broken after 1.5? You are so eager to say something that you don't seem to pay attention to what is being told to you. If we will go round in circles, we'd better stop now.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 19, 2012 09:44 AM |
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yes you did
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You haven't played Heroes before or you never bothered checking its story? Who's Crag Hack then and what's he to you?
and if you did not mean me, you souhld use the proper pronoun next time
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Look, you have to decide what you claim. You say that the game is abandoned and that means abandoned by ALL or pretty much all players, "fans", "consumers" or whatever other names you put on them. That means that they are ALL or pretty much all dissatisfied or just bored by the game. Since you think that it's important to bring back the "consumers" and not the "fans", I've asked you several times - what is their motivation to come back apart from the irrational urge to spend money?
For those peopel, none. That is why you, as the publiher, have to come up with a way how to get their attention. by releasing something new and not just a patch for an old game
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And that's because? You are just making claims like you are reciting the Constitution but you are not saying anything in their defence. That's not how it works.
because I'm not on their side. ;-) I have as many problems with Heroes VI as anyone else. But I am not going to bash them around until I see the result of their last effeorts. Try to run a Fansite for several years, you'll find out what I mean.
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Where do I or the other "broken toy" people claim that the game will certainly remain broken after 1.5? You are so eager to say something that you don't seem to pay attention to what is being told to you. If we will go round in circles, we'd better stop now.
Yes we should stop, I agree with this. But one last answer. You claim it in the part, where you say "Making a DLC for a broken game is pointles" due to the fact that nobady know if 1,5 patch is still a broken game
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Grownock
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 19, 2012 08:32 PM |
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In Poland DLC will be sold in boxes. I don't know what is the situation in other countries. Polish boxart:
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p4e4c
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 19, 2012 08:44 PM |
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That looks cool! I would buy it only for the box 
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Darkem
Known Hero
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posted June 19, 2012 09:33 PM |
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Is there new fancy creature in the background, or not-so-fancy orc with the axe?
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nerevar
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 19, 2012 09:50 PM |
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Edited by nerevar at 21:51, 19 Jun 2012.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted June 21, 2012 06:52 PM |
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 21, 2012 06:58 PM |
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Come on.. all those dancing fun animations and music ones asked for this:-D. Who was not tempted to do something like this on his own :-P
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 21, 2012 07:23 PM |
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Don't worry about it Dave, I didn't take the comment seriously 
I will also have to agree that apart from the other glaring issues, that this game desperately needs more content if we are to keep playing. On that note I'll try to create an official duel map when I get more familiar with the editor and I'm done with the army(less than two weeks and counting ^^), it would be cool if it could be part of a future addon when it gets shipped.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted June 22, 2012 07:47 AM |
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A duel map would be awesome....I think the battles will take so long though compared to the H5 TOH duel map 1.2 which you made that has unlimited replayability!
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted June 22, 2012 08:26 AM |
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Yes, few good balanced duel maps would go a long way.
Game desperately needs more maps or good RMG.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 22, 2012 09:33 AM |
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Battle length is a sensitive matter.. But I believe that H6 has a good potential there, if some skills were more powerful things would be a lot different. H5 though was more exciting though, more unforgiving If a few skills/effects had been toned down it would have been JUST right.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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DarkMess1ah
Hired Hero
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posted June 22, 2012 09:54 AM |
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Elvin, do you know if any of the criticisms about the town screens (mainly haven's shadow from buidlings, and the stognhold water reflecting a gate when there isnt one) have been heard by ubi and theyre gonna fix em before release?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 22, 2012 10:34 AM |
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Irina is aware but no telling what she can do about it or when.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted June 22, 2012 10:38 AM |
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Probably it was too late for any changes in patch 1.5 from the moment, when first puzzles were shown.
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted June 22, 2012 07:57 PM |
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A duel map would be awesome....I think the battles will take so long though compared to the H5 TOH duel map 1.2 which you made that has unlimited replayability!
I believe that duel type map can work well even in H6 system. It's all a matter of tuning the numbers to fit the target playtime length.
I hope to see few more free standalone scenarios and maps in future patches. That way they can offer something to both DLC buyers and more conservative players.
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