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MattII
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posted October 06, 2014 09:00 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 09:30, 06 Oct 2014.
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There is, however, only one of each species in H3 Fortress, unlike the Sylanna's Fury lineup, which has 3 elves.
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Sandro400
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posted October 06, 2014 10:20 AM |
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MattII said:
There is, however, only one of each species in H3 Fortress, unlike the Sylanna's Fury lineup, which has 3 elves.
And what's the connection?
Anyway, all line-ups had 3 elves. Huntes/Druids as staples and Emerald Knights/Bladedancers.
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MattII
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posted October 06, 2014 10:54 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
And what's the connection?
Because three elves is one/two more than is needed, and that many closer to the abomination that was H5 Fortress.
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Anyway, all line-ups had 3 elves. Huntes/Druids as staples and Emerald Knights/Bladedancers.
Here's the thing, I detest Bladedancers, and can see alternatives to the druid. Also, the druid, having been in the town in only three of the five games, is not actually a staple, unlike the unicorn, which up until this time had an unbroken record, that a staple.
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War-overlord
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posted October 06, 2014 10:57 AM |
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MattII said:
Also, the druid, having been in the town in only three of the five games, is not actually a staple, unlike the unicorn, which up until this time had an unbroken record, that a staple.
As much as I agree with the Idea that Factions need to keep their staples around. I would disagree that Druids aren't a staple. I agree that a Unicorn outranks them, but Druids have always been a part of Sylvan. For if they were not units, then they were the default Magic Hero. If there was Sylvan/Preserve/Rampart/Sorceres, there was a Druid.
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MattII
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posted October 06, 2014 11:09 AM |
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Then make them magic heroes.
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Avirosb
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posted October 06, 2014 11:14 AM |
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That's a good point actually.
Sylvan will have 3 magic heroes and not one of them will be the druid? That seems a bit odd to me.
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Sandro400
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posted October 06, 2014 11:14 AM |
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MattII said:
Because three elves is one/two more than is needed, and that many closer to the abomination that was H5 Fortress.
Here's the thing, I detest Bladedancers, and can see alternatives to the druid. Also, the druid, having been in the town in only three of the five games, is not actually a staple, unlike the unicorn, which up until this time had an unbroken record, that a staple.
Personally I don't care for 3 elves if they play very differently and don't look a reskinned model. But on H5 Fortress I completely agree with you. Even if it was a very enjoyable faction indeed ;-)
You misunderstood me (or I used not a proper word in this situation). Hunters and Druids were staples in three line-ups (they were in all three). That leaves me with question: why all the hate about 3 elves in Fury if we would get 3 elves anyway, regardless which line-up could have won?
If you complain about Deers on the other hand...
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MattII
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posted October 06, 2014 11:24 AM |
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Where did I say I was happy with the other factions? For me, 3 elves is at least one too many, the faction lives in a forest, so should IMO use (fantasy) forest creatures when and where viable.
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ChrisD1
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posted October 06, 2014 11:26 AM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 11:27, 06 Oct 2014.
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Sandro400 said:
That leaves me with question: why all the hate about 3 elves in Fury if we would get 3 elves anyway, regardless which line-up could have won?
If you complain about Deers on the other hand...
because fury is the root of all evil in the world. i heard sylanna's fury can give cancer to people. and the prophecies said that if fury won the the world would come to an end.
also everyone just wanted to hate. that's why. serves them right.
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War-overlord
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posted October 06, 2014 11:27 AM |
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Avirosb said:
That's a good point actually.
Sylvan will have 3 magic heroes and not one of them will be the druid? That seems a bit odd to me.
Who ever said that was the case?
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posted October 06, 2014 11:31 AM |
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War-overlord said:
Avirosb said:
That's a good point actually.
Sylvan will have 3 magic heroes and not one of them will be the druid? That seems a bit odd to me.
Who ever said that was the case?
Said what was the case?
The '3 heroes' thing or the 'druids can't possible be both units and heroes because that would be stupid' thing?
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War-overlord
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posted October 06, 2014 11:39 AM |
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Avirosb said:
Said what was the case?
The '3 heroes' thing or the 'druids can't possible be both units and heroes because that would be stupid' thing?
That Druids cannot be both Units and Heroes.
For I can see that as possible.
Assuming that the 3 magic Heroes are one basic class and two upgrades.
I do not see a problem with the basic class being a druid.
Since we know of 3 forms of Druid over the Heroes History, namely Druid, Elder Druid and Archdruid. I propose that it is very possible that either Archdruid or Elder Druid can be the basic magic class, with Archdruid seeming slightly more likely to me since I cannot remember there being a hero class of two words, and the other being the upgrade of the Druid unit.
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posted October 06, 2014 11:42 AM |
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Oh, well in that case it'd be just another unfortunate decision methinks.
Reusing names like that can often lead to confusion and could be seen as a sign of a lack of creativity.
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War-overlord
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posted October 06, 2014 11:43 AM |
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Looking things up, there is also the Greater Druid of HII, but that name is, IMO, worse then either Archdruid or Elder Druid.
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posted October 06, 2014 12:31 PM |
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MattII said:
Where did I say I was happy with the other factions? For me, 3 elves is at least one too many, the faction lives in a forest, so should IMO use (fantasy) forest creatures when and where viable.
But you only complain about elves in SY. Why? There'll be 3 elves anyway.
And yeah, you're right about using forest creatures. But that doesn't mean that they should do that only in war, yes? For me, for instance, going to war with unicorns is stupid considering the prophecy "last unicorn = death of Irollan". Ptotect and breed them, use only a few as mounts/very rare units.
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jeremiahemo
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posted October 06, 2014 12:39 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with having 7 humanoids in 1 faction.
It makes the faction unique in its own way.
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Sandro400
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posted October 06, 2014 12:47 PM |
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jeremiahemo said:
There is nothing wrong with having 7 humanoids in 1 faction.
It makes the faction unique in its own way.
Oh yeah. And if those 7 humanoids are all female... Oh, Amazons' faction would be a great addition!  
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jhb
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posted October 07, 2014 06:17 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Sandro400 said:
That leaves me with question: why all the hate about 3 elves in Fury if we would get 3 elves anyway, regardless which line-up could have won?
If you complain about Deers on the other hand...
because fury is the root of all evil in the world. i heard sylanna's fury can give cancer to people. and the prophecies said that if fury won the the world would come to an end.
also everyone just wanted to hate. that's why. serves them right.
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jhb
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posted October 07, 2014 06:30 AM |
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I'm very curious about this class system, would it be offensive/defensive specs or would it be racial ability/war machines/creature ability/... specs? Maybe a mix...
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MattII
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posted October 07, 2014 09:01 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
But you only complain about elves in SY. Why? There'll be 3 elves anyway.
Two reasons, 1, Fury is the faction that got chosen, 2, I don't know enough about the Emerald Warrior to have developed a dislike for them, but I have developed a dislike for the Blade Dancer.
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And yeah, you're right about using forest creatures. But that doesn't mean that they should do that only in war, yes? For me, for instance, going to war with unicorns is stupid considering the prophecy "last unicorn = death of Irollan". Ptotect and breed them, use only a few as mounts/very rare units.
Breeding is done with females and a few males, so you're going to end up with lotas of males hanging around, so why not use them?
jeremiahemo said:
There is nothing wrong with having 7 humanoids in 1 faction.
Yeah, provided you actually like the monotony of Haven or H5 Fortress
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It makes the faction unique in its own way.
Really? IMO it would look like a Haven=close with more leaves.
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