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Good points but I'd consider moving it to a thread on Christianity and why a Christian cannot hate.
Except than an atheist claimed that Muslims wear veils and Christians wear KKK hoods. So I presented evidence that Christianity and the KKK are incompatible.
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Are you a Bosnian or do you have family in bosnia with bosnian passports? If not it's advised to shut up instead of talking about stuff you're unfamiliar with.
They don't need visas since late 2010.
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Are you a Bosnian or do you have family in bosnia with bosnian passports? If not it's advised to shut up instead of talking about stuff you're unfamiliar with.
They don't need visas since late 2010.
The passports you're talking about have been introduced before new year but nobody doesnt have them yet, beuaracracy works in awesome ways down there
Elodin, I havent claimed all christians nor all muslims wear hoods or vails, some do, deal with the the horrible fact that there are bad christians out there, nothing special about none of us, we're all people hence some of us will be bad by default.
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posted April 16, 2011 01:46 AM |
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The passports you're talking about have been introduced before new year but nobody doesnt have them yet, beuaracracy works in awesome ways down there
Since 2009 actually. It depends, some say they waited less than an hour.
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posted April 16, 2011 01:55 AM |
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The passports you're talking about have been introduced before new year but nobody doesnt have them yet, beuaracracy works in awesome ways down there
Since 2009 actually. It depends, some say they waited less than an hour.
not true, was there in september 2010, there were just talks of biometric system no way in hell anybody had those passports in 2009, they were introduced some time around xmas and my parents as well as other people im familiar with are still waiting for theirs, maybe your friends/family are somehow connected to the gov' but in any case I promise you they didnt have those in 2009...and even with those passports, they waited for aprox 15 yrs to be allowed into a non-muslim countries, pretty much means the world views them as a muslim country, which is also how they view themselves
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@smithey, obviously we won't reach an agreement about Bosnia. Your arguments are very unconvincing (to say the least) as far as I can tell and apparently my own are perceived as the words of some ignorant by you, so stagnating on this (off-)topic seems pointless. If you insist though, we can proceed with it.
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Nope, dont care what's her religion, dont care whats her ethnicity and dont care whats her color, if she/he is wearing a mask or something else that covers her/his entire face hence making her unrecognizable it should be against the law, I can recognize you with sunglasses, I have been in a couple of places throughout the world and I have yet to see masked people walking the streets, maybe you have seen a couple of weirdos on a strange day but there is no such thing as people walking with masks unless its halloween... Im objective by expecting all laws to apply to all people of all religions and minorities, the same rules apply to all is an objective stance, making differences between team A and B is a subjective way of thinking....
You conveniently avoid the essence of what I said and keep repeating the same thing. Everybody can disguise himself/herself so efficiently that even his/her own mother wouldn't be able to recognize him/her and this can be done in an absolutely legal manner. Please don't be selective, I never said that sunglasses can make you completely unrecognisable, although you will have difficulties identifying somebody from a distance with part of his/her face covered, especially if you don't know him/her. When you add some more attributes - voila, your personality vanishes! And nobody will stop you to ask you why do you look like that. Thus the "mask" argument is pure nonsense. And don't tell me about "weirdos", 15-30 year olds with hooded upper clothes are all over the place in the recent years. Following the law strictly, you'll need prisons as large as towns to "accommodate" all the "criminals".
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You're French NOW, be like us, practice islam in your homes, in your mosques, do whatever you want in private lives but make an effort to be French people because that is what you are now, that is what you have chosen to be when you have decided to come to France
Nobody chooses to be a "Frenchman", "Englishman", "American" or whatever you want when he/she emigrates. People don't go abroad to change their personalities. When they decide to stay in another country for long, they don't do it because they hate the culture of their homelands and like the culture of the host society more. What's so damn difficult to understand? The host society has the right to insist on non-interference in its way of life and on contribution to the common welfare and development and pretty much nothing beyond that.
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Good points but I'd consider moving it to a thread on Christianity and why a Christian cannot hate.
Except than an atheist claimed that Muslims wear veils and Christians wear KKK hoods. So I presented evidence that Christianity and the KKK are incompatible.
Was merely suggesting to ignore the trolls =D
Edit: They probably just want to get a rise out of you.
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posted April 18, 2011 09:15 PM |
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Edit: They probably just want to get a rise out of you.
who says that doesn't apply to him?
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posted April 19, 2011 01:35 PM |
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It applies to everybody right? =)
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posted April 29, 2011 06:24 PM |
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So. Yesterday the burqa got banned in Belgium as well.
In Germany relevant voices get louder to follow France and Belgium with the reasoning, the burqa was no religious symbol, but only one of female opression.
Since that is my opinion as well, I support the ban.
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posted April 29, 2011 06:30 PM |
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Following the same logic, at least trying to, does it mean you support the ban of the swastika?
I personally don't support a ban of anything, because they might symbolise something.
Because that is not learning from the past, that's letting the past hold you back.
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It is sad when a nation's legislature celebrates suppressing religious rights. Just my opinion, of course.
It looks like Europe is moving backwards as far as religious freedom and women's rights go. Women can't dress how they want or worship freely. Sad, really.
I think France and Belgium will be taking some heat off America as far as terrorism goes. Islamic radicals are certain to strike back against the attack on Islam.
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posted April 29, 2011 07:28 PM |
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It looks like Europe is moving backwards as far as religious freedom and women's rights go. Women can't dress how they want or worship freely. Sad, really.
I know. we'll reach american levels of religious intolerance and backward womens rights within the decade. it's terrifying.
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posted April 29, 2011 08:18 PM |
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What's wrong with women's rights in America? (Other than affirmative action, of course.)
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It is sad when a nation's legislature celebrates suppressing religious rights. Just my opinion, of course.
It looks like Europe is moving backwards as far as religious freedom and women's rights go. Women can't dress how they want or worship freely. Sad, really.
I think France and Belgium will be taking some heat off America as far as terrorism goes. Islamic radicals are certain to strike back against the attack on Islam.
Apart from the fact that Muslim women are forced to "worship" in a certain way, what are you referring to? Events like Nicholas Sarkozy illegalising women wearing the veils that cover them up totally? I'm glad he did.
In the recent years there has been an ongoing Islamisation of Europe, especially in the West. Islamers have been respected and have had every right other citizens had, and still do.
Ironic how you're talking about forbidding Muslims from worshipping the way they want. There's as many Mosques as Churches in the UK and France...try to build a Catholic Church in the middle of Saudi Arabia without getting your head chopped off...
People can you not see? At least have some consequence to realise what happens in the opposite situation.
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Well, okay, I didn't really feel like it's a relevant issue, since I don't think I've seen one on the streets. Sure, I've seen veils like everywhere, but burqa's...
This is more people trying to westernise non-western immigrants than anything else, I reckon.
EDIT: and in the end it won't change anything. People come here, because we have terrific social security and I have a feeling we'd rather appoint fascists than take a bit out of our social security, spoiled, little, industrialised wellfare state that we are.
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Well, okay, I didn't really feel like it's a relevant issue, since I don't think I've seen one on the streets. Sure, I've seen veils like everywhere, but burqa's...
This is more people trying to westernise non-western immigrants than anything else, I reckon.
Well it's only right and fair, since if a Westerner emigrated to the Middle East and carried on worshipping Jesus, hence denying Allah or Mahomet or whatever, they'd get their head blown off...likewise if an European woman didn't wear one of those ridiculous burqas, she'd get stoned to death.
Muslims are still a 100 times more tolerated in Europe than Europeans are in Islamic countries. And they are absolutely free to practice their religion furthermore (opposite far from true, not sure about atheists, I'd probably get chopped up as well). And banning the burqas is only in relation to ACTUAL HUMAN RIGHTS, I'm sure those Muslim women are thankful for that, but too scared to admit it of course, as they'd get tortured by their husbands and family).
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posted April 29, 2011 09:20 PM |
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So, basically, what you're suggesting is that... To show we're better than them we should become just as intolerant as them?
Just take away the free money incentive, man. 
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No that's not what I'm saying and you know it I'm not gonna repeat myself.
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Ironic how you're talking about forbidding Muslims from worshipping the way they want. There's as many Mosques as Churches in the UK and France...try to build a Catholic Church in the middle of Saudi Arabia without getting your head chopped off...
How is this comparison relevant? Yes, Saudi Arabia is not free, but what does that have to do with our laws?
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