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Momo
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posted January 17, 2011 09:35 AM |
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Just create Academy, Dungeon and Sylvan and leave the dwarf fortress for the rats and maggots.
First off, saying that the game is better with a dwarven faction hardly means, in any way, that the game should be without wizards or elves. I think that what actually binds HoMMs players together and draw them toward the game is the love for variety, and the fascination to the idea of vastly different fantasy cultures confronting themselves (on the battlefield). So yes, I think wizards and elves should definitely be in the game sooner or later, but nonetheless I think that the presence of another, entirely unique and different culture can only improve the game's overall appeal.
That said, I don't think you made that much of a reasoning actually. Repeating your opinion over and over extremizing how it's expressed doesn't add validity or credit.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted January 17, 2011 10:09 AM |
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Everybody is allowed their opinions  . Matt seems to not like my faction, which is fine.  . Hmm I am half tempted to start a contest...
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted January 17, 2011 10:13 AM |
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Well, since we already have a specialized topic, I'll make a draft of an altered Fortress - different concept, different creatures, but still a dwarf faction - because Matt seems to doubt that this is possible. It will take only a week or two.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 17, 2011 10:15 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 10:20, 17 Jan 2011.
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Really this dwarf-nonsence brings war to homm-forums and nobody can agree with eachother, everybody starts to protect the dwarves, fight the dwarf haters or hate the dwarves.
This can destroy an entire homm-forum.
Really there are too much haters and dwarf-haters-haters to make this faction possible.
I hope BH learned from their mistakes with HOMMV expansion and never do this again.
lol you high girl? So if for some reason people start not liking the existing factions they should scrap them too? There'll always be differences in taste in any set up. I for one liked Fortress and didn't feel bad about. lol why would I? As long as Fortress brought something new and interesting gameplaywise it's all good. They did. I'm happy. AND I'm a dwarf fan and the models all looked good. What more could I want? You just want them to scrap Fortress because you (and others) don't like it. What kind of thinking is that lol?
EDIT: Don't get me wrong honey I'm not laughing at you or anything I'm just a bit puzzled why you're so zealous in your demand to kill all dwarfs. Who says fortress would have to return in the same set up they did? A dwarf faction is perfectly possible in an altered set up. But for you and other people that just seems impossible. Scrap it all. That just doesn't make sense. The Dwarfs are a part of Ashan lore so they won't get kicked overboard simply because people think they didn't have enough beasts in the line up.
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted January 17, 2011 10:26 AM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 10:26, 17 Jan 2011.
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I agree that gameplay-wise the dwarfs were pretty cool. The only thing I hated was that the runes cost resources, imo they should have been nerfed and be used for free. Otherwise I kinda disliked played as fortress, their play-style didn't fit me and I just hated their line-up. 
However they did have one tactic that was extremely hilarious. Only having Flame Warlords, Flame Keepers/Rune Patriarchs and Magma Dragon/Lava Dragon. And then just using ARMAGEDDON! 
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 17, 2011 10:31 AM |
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That was the gayest thing imagineable. Seriously I've lost enough matches against that **** and it's just frustrating as hell. If you don't have fire resistance as a perk there is nothing you can do unless you can nuke the **** out of him as some 35 SP Warlock. Especially if the Dwarf has Empathy so he can laugh in your face even more while his last standed troops use rune of ressurection... That was cheap...
The runes were good. Charge was a bit op and last stand ressurection could reaaaaaally ruin games but those problems aren't unsolveable. Apart from that Fortress was a lot of fun to play since they could both go might offensive aswell as defensive. Magic was kinda unstable with their SP growth but still an option (I'm talking about Destro not light).
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted January 17, 2011 10:36 AM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 10:37, 17 Jan 2011.
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No the gayest thing imaginable was that you couldn't do it as Dungeon with empowered Armageddon, because irresistible magic affected your OWN Black Dragons as well 
(And hey I have never used it against another player, just against those sad, sad AI's)
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted January 17, 2011 10:44 AM |
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Well, since we already have a specialized topic, I'll make a draft of an altered Fortress - different concept, different creatures, but still a dwarf faction - because Matt seems to doubt that this is possible. It will take only a week or two.
Yeah, I dislike it because it seems to me about equal to sticking wolves and bears in haven, ie, they may live in that environment, but whether they'd actually have anything to do with the faction itself...
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 17, 2011 10:45 AM |
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You meant to say thank god that it didn't work with Dungeon too. The thing is it wouldn't work even if you didn't affect your own Dragons. Even if you have a bonkers ammount of Hydras that also means that your opponent will have bonkers ammounts of his units and after one armaggedon or two they still pack enough of a bunch in a 7 stacks vs 2 stacks fight to kill you. And that Armaggedon suiciding is just cheap and gay. Seriously that's not skill that's just trolling your opponent.
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted January 17, 2011 10:49 AM |
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Haha that might be true, but I had to do it otherwise the opponent would just flee. That was my only chance to gain some experience before they fled and lost all their troops for nothing...
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted January 17, 2011 10:50 AM |
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Yeah, I dislike it because it seems to me about equal to sticking wolves and bears in haven, ie, they may live in that environment, but whether they'd actually have anything to do with the faction itself...
Wow, wait to see it first, then dislike it.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 17, 2011 10:51 AM |
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I'm not blaming you against the AI but I just have bad memories of tournament games or any duel really. God so annoying...
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted January 17, 2011 10:51 AM |
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Edited by veco at 10:56, 17 Jan 2011.
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You meant to say thank god that it didn't work with Dungeon too.
Ofc he did unless he's downright insane or hell-bent dropping game balance down the drain
What dwarves do is have 3 units completely immune to armageddon, 2 units that are resistant to the armor damage effect of Fire Mastery and only 2 units fully affected by it (and all units have high HP so you dont mind nuking them anyway). Armageddon for dwarves was a completely different spell than it was for other factions.
Oh and don't forget:
You think you can just charge in with your huge stack of Paladins/Pitspawns/whatever? BAM! Thunderclap! (if it's Elvin repeat until resources run out)
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted January 17, 2011 10:55 AM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 10:57, 17 Jan 2011.
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Ahh if only they had Armor of the Dragon Father in H5
Edit: hmm but that wouldn't work anyway, since Armageddon is a lvl 5 spell in H5 
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 17, 2011 10:59 AM |
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Oh yeah I forgot Thunderclap. Yeah ok maybe some runes needed a bit of fine tuneing. Thunderclap was such a ***** to deal with indeed...
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted January 17, 2011 11:08 AM |
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Personally the Fortress was the hardest faction for me to face, Late-game they just had infinite runes that they just rushed on with they powerhouse units.
And since they had so many magic resistant units, I as a magic favoring player just couldn't handle them efficiently...
They also had boring heroes. :/
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 17, 2011 11:11 AM |
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I think it should be more fire based then Ice. Some good conections to Iceland (the land of fire and ice)
To give a wider spectrum to the faction. Why not give add living armors as units
Little improve to the line up i suggested
Core
Stalwart (High defense, shielding
A beast based unit (Wolf, Bear, Bear rider) a fast cavalry
Range unit (Axe trowing dwarf or Fire spiting Salamander)
Elite
Rune priest
Runic armor
Thunder bird
Champion
Fire wyrm or Mountain giant
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted January 17, 2011 11:16 AM |
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I think it should be more fire based then Ice.
Are you refering to ashan dwarves?
I never noticed anything icy about them.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 17, 2011 11:20 AM |
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I think it should be more fire based then Ice.
Are you refering to ashan dwarves?
I never noticed anything icy about them.
It's a reaction on alcibiades post
see page 3
But the Dwarven hero was terible. first thing I would change
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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted January 17, 2011 11:20 AM |
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I think it should be more fire based then Ice.
Are you refering to ashan dwarves?
I never noticed anything icy about them.
I think he was talking about the fact that everyone is putting "frost" and "ice" creatures with the dwarves when they are worshipping Arkath, the god of Fire
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