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artu
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posted April 07, 2013 05:10 PM |
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Yes, that's why I said at least in here.
Finding some valuable philosophy in a religion and taking the mythological aspect of it literally are very different things Drakon. These are traditions of hundreds of years, of course some of the teachings and scriptures contain parts that has wisdom, but some of the parts contain outdated information and even worse, outdated ethics which can be considered very discriminative by today's standards. When you're a believer you lose your chance to choose between those parts.
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posted April 07, 2013 05:11 PM |
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None of these religions are even considered as these which would define our lifestyle in Europe and most of the USA. The only one which can do that is Buddhism, yet Buddhists aren't really fighting in TV nor Internet for their laws.
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posted April 07, 2013 05:12 PM |
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Hm myth? Fish Fossils have been found in the mountain.
People reject them as a giant skeleton. When there isn't rational explanation.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 07, 2013 05:12 PM |
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I can agree with that. I don't believe in Christian Orthodox tradition though, just the principles that come from the New Testament. But I can find wisdom in the writings of some traditional church fathers as well.
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master_learn
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posted April 07, 2013 05:30 PM |
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So 33% of the scientists believe in god?
Wow,that's more than I expected.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted April 07, 2013 05:34 PM |
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Yes, it's very high compared to Europe.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 07, 2013 05:39 PM |
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Mark Twain:
No man that has ever lived has done a thing to please God--primarily. It was done to please himself, then God next.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted April 07, 2013 05:46 PM |
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Believe it or not. It is not reasonable to believe that is not the answer. The psychologist will give you to do. As explained before, that which is in Moscow, London and New York are the same thing? Moscow and New York. Later, the question is much more difficult. 100 in question was a one-issue a). 2, 4, 8, 16, b). 4, 8, 16, 32 c). 5, 10, 15, 20 Easy when you may not know. I do not remember as I have not given the answer. Antoine to only one answer. Therefore, maybe in the future they will get the answer. Now, you can not live without the answer. I can not say what would happen to them in 2100. The Bible is not sure any more valid.
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posted April 07, 2013 06:00 PM |
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I think of punishment not as torture but corrective punishment, at least in this life. God surely does not punish anyone for nothing.
Maybe in 1800 an atheist said that in 200 years there will be no more Christianity and here we are. Sorry to disappoint
"Corrective punishment"? Do you really think an atheist needs CORRECTIVE punishment if they would really stand before the god you believe in? I mean, what the hell:
"So, do you still think I don't exist?"
"Umm, well, err, no, it seems I was pretty frigging wrong here. May I ask, why you didn't make yourself more, well obvious?
"Even more so? Why couldn't you just believe?"
"Well, we were taught not just to believe any crap. You know, scientific method and all. We are taught to ask for proof before accepting something."
"There is proof. I sent my son to die for you all. There is the holy scripture. Everything you need to know is in there."
"I'm a lawyer. If you wanted to prove in court that the Bible is authentic and God's word, you'd lose, because there is no objective proof."
"I'll supply the prrof you need: 10.000 years of corrective punishment in purgatory, grade 6."
"Wait, is that really necessary? I do beliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..."
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posted April 07, 2013 06:05 PM |
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I see a paradox between somebody on here (I will mention no names) saying that no Christian has ever murdered..but yet the bible has said to stone many people to death. Rebellious sons and such. So either A) nobody is really christian as they do not follow what the bible says. B) That somebody is mistaken, or C) That somebody 'cherry picks' what they like and ignores the stuff they don't..leading to A.
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posted April 07, 2013 06:08 PM |
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted April 07, 2013 06:11 PM |
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Jolly, I don't think anyone needs punishment, I am not God. I just said what my idea of punishment is.
The Old testament was for Israel. The Israelites were not Christians, they were Jews. No Christian is murderer , so says the New testament.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 07, 2013 06:15 PM |
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I see a paradox between somebody on here (I will mention no names) saying that no Christian has ever murdered..but yet the bible has said to stone many people to death. Rebellious sons and such. So either A) nobody is really christian as they do not follow what the bible says. B) That somebody is mistaken, or C) That somebody 'cherry picks' what they like and ignores the stuff they don't..leading to A.
Ending a life in the name if justice isn't considered as murder. (nor is it)
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The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"Law". There's the law of Christ and the laws of the land, both are applicable.
So that "somebody" you mentioned is correct, no true Christian has ever murdered.
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JollyJoker
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posted April 07, 2013 06:17 PM |
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Nah, punishment is not important to me.
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Oh boy. That one will be costly when god will judge you. It's such an obvious lie when you look at your stance concerning death penalty, hell and all these nice punishment things you never stop to advocate.
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Kindly stop your lies about me. I don't desire God's judgment on people and God has no desire to judge them either.
Dude, I didn't say you DESIRE it. I said:
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I knew punishment was important for you, but I didn't know it was the most important thing of all,
And you said, NO, punishment is NOT important to you. OF COURSE it's important to you, and EXTREMELY SO, because without punishment there can be no justice, right?
The only question is why you deliberately lie about it?
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted April 07, 2013 06:19 PM |
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Not so the answer is no as C.
When the next question is what you believe. A). Ufo, B). God, etc.
If they do not fit together.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 07, 2013 06:19 PM |
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Romans 12:9
Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.
Paul sure knew what he was talking about. His writings are my favorite parts of the Bible.
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Elodin
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posted April 07, 2013 06:25 PM |
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I see a paradox between somebody on here (I will mention no names) saying that no Christian has ever murdered..but yet the bible has said to stone many people to death. Rebellious sons and such. So either A) nobody is really christian as they do not follow what the bible says. B) That somebody is mistaken, or C) That somebody 'cherry picks' what they like and ignores the stuff they don't..leading to A.
You left out the obvious and correct answer.
I see that some people who like to insult me and insult Christianity are clueless and ignorant of what the Bible teaches. (I will mention no names.)
Perhaps you are ignorant of the fact that the Old Covenant Law applied to people under the Old Covenant (Jewish people in Israel.( Christianity is not now, nor has it ever been under the Old Covenant.
Christianity was born 40 days after the resurrection of Christ when Christ poured out his Spirit on his people and they spake in other tongues.
The New Covenant Scriptures are commonly called the New Testament (testament is just another word for covenant.) The church is not authroized to punish any sinner for any sin. Anyone who says the New Testament says otherwise is either a willful liar or is ignorant of the New Testament.
But then again most people who attack Christ or his people have no interest in truth.
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1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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posted April 07, 2013 06:26 PM |
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I kind of wonder if scientists believe in god,what more proof is there needed for you,artu?
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Seraphim
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posted April 07, 2013 06:27 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 18:52, 07 Apr 2013.
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Also, why are only the Abrahamic religions being bashed here and not Ancient Greek, Celtic, Zoroastrianism, Native American Shamanism, Hinduism or Shinto?
While understand the reactions of someone like Elodin, people like you baffle me.
The answer to that question is that I dont see that many Zeus, or HAdes or Nemesis adherents trying to impose irrational laws on my neck and trying to dictate what is and what is not real.
Also, I mabe be igorant what type of Version of bible you, elodin or your country holds and for that matter I could care less but trying to prove "Christianity is actually peaceful" by quoting a peacful quote is just stupid.
Let me take a quote from Hitler, sugarcoat it, and declare Hitler was GOOD MAN!!! Prime example of a logical fallacy.
Whether new or old testament does not matter for me. As long as Slavery is mentioned in an "Holy" book, than that book is garbage.
Here is the bomb that knocks all three abrahamic religions off the morality counter and spiritual counter
That guy abraham wanted to sacrifice his own kid, binding him, for his God because God told him that. The moral of the story is Obedience. The mere fact that that guy did not refuse is just absurd to me.
In modern science, if you hear voices and communicate with God, you are schizofrenic. So either Mr.Abraham was mentaly ill or the "Implied" moral of the story is just bankrupt. If you gotta teach obedience, you can do it while not simmulating barbaric sacrifice to a child.
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Drakon,my wild guess is that noone here is interested in any other religion than the two-Islam and Christianity.
As if the title of the thread was "Questions about Christianity and Islam".
If you are interested about all things about Zeus or Thor. Ask pal. I am pretty sure there are interesting things to ask there.
Like how many children did Zeus have? Why are Gorgons so evil? Why is the biggest douchebag in the greek pantheon the king of gods?
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If you are referring to me you are an absolute, complete, and total liar, bigot, and hatemonger for saying I'd ever be a terrorist.
Why? Because you can control the mind of the media? I was talking about media.
You are a fundemantalist and to me all types of fundamentalists are the same. If you were muslim, you would get alot of heat from people because you posses guns.
This was in reflection to my question about how the west treats Islam.
But of course, taking things out of context is the norm in your posts.
Whatever type of fundemantlist + Guns = Danger.
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posted April 07, 2013 06:52 PM |
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You have a hostile attitude toward religion in general Seraphim, I won't try to defend slavery but you have to understand there's much more to the Bible than that.
As for Zeus, he was not really a douche, most gods were the same, killed mortals or turned them into animals for being actually better than they were. I don't want to discuss Greek mythology in particular, but I was merely wondering why just one or two religions are being discussed here.
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