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Interesting analyze, start shooting or not:
Jared Taylor, current editor of the American Renaissance, denies the term "white nationalist" and explains why he is not a "white supremacist." But, what this established journalist claims, is that he is a "race realist." Taylor's views have become an important piece of the race relations puzzle, and can often be found in studies, essays, newspapers (including the Washington Post) and books. Taylor has been called everything from a racist to a "true paragon of tolerance." He takes a few moments to discuss with Jamie Hines what is a "race realist," why there is no need for the civil rights battle, and what he thinks of President Barack Obama.
JH: I've read that you describe yourself as a "race realist." What is a "race realist?"
JT: Race realism is rejection of the agreeable fantasies about race that have become orthodoxy since the 1960s. First, it is obvious that most people prefer the company of others of their own race. Forced integration therefore causes tension and resentment.
Second, race is an important element in individual and group identity, which means it is impossible to build a society in which race does not matter.
Third, people of different races build different societies. Blacks—wherever they are found in large numbers—establish communities with certain characteristics, and whites and others do the same.
Fourth, the combination of the first three factors means that racial diversity is a source of constant conflict. This is blindingly obvious, yet one of the requirements of respectability in this country is to pretend—and to repeat loudly at every opportunity—that diversity is a strength.
Fifth, the evidence is overwhelming that there is a substantial genetic contribution to well-established racial differences in average IQ. North East Asians living in America have higher incomes, better test scores, and more education than whites because they are, on average, smarter. Whites are smarter than Hispanics, who are smarter than blacks. It is vital to recognize this because otherwise “society” (meaning whites) is blamed for the failures of blacks and Hispanics.
Finally, race realism recognizes that whites have legitimate group interests just like everyone else.
JH: What are the legitimate group interests of whites?
JT: It is vital to eliminate the stark racial double standard that denies white even have legitimate interests as a group. White pride or racial consciousness is considered “bigotry” or “hatred,” while any other kind of racial consciousness is considered to be a healthy form of ethnic self-esteem. This means every group in the country—except whites—is constantly pushing its collective interests, while whites are not allowed even to have interests as a group, much less work for them.
Some of the interests of whites are obvious. The first is not to be reduced to a minority. Most whites don’t want this but they dare not say so for fear of being accused of “hate.” Hispanics, on the other hand, are constantly rejoicing in their increased numbers and influence, and it is considered natural for them to look forward to eventually become a majority. Their gain is our loss, so why are they allowed to be happy about their gain but we are not allowed to resist our loss?
Whites have every right to prefer the kind of society that they create and to resist demographic shifts that are already changing their country in profound ways. Jews have a right to a Jewish state, and they keep it Jewish through selective immigration. Japanese have a right to a Japanese state and they keep it that way through restrictive immigration. Whites also, whether in North America or Europe, have the right to live in nations that reflect their culture and heritage.
Second, what is known as “affirmative action” is really discrimination against whites. If the kinds of preferences shown to blacks or Hispanics were shown to whites it would be a nation scandal, but because the victims are whites (and sometimes Asians) it is of no consequence. Whites must work to eliminate this while it is still possible to do so. When non-whites become majorities, they are likely to push for even more extensive racial preferences than the ones they enjoy today.
JH: Do you consider yourself a White Nationalist and/or a White Supremacist? Why or Why not?
JT: No. I don’t know what the term white nationalist is supposed to mean. White supremacists presumably want to rule other races, and race realists have no such desire. I believe people of every race should be free to pursue their own destinies, and this is impossible in societies in which they become minorities.
It should not be necessary to add that a concern for one’s own interests implies no hostility to others. Race realists understand that people of all races have the same rights: to preserve their culture and identity against any force that would dilute or replace it. One’s race is one’s extended family. Putting the interests of family before the interests of strangers is not hostility to strangers. One can become good friends with strangers but family comes first.
JH: After doing some research, I've found that your parents were "conventional liberals" who were missionaries in Japan. At what point, and why, did your views shift from what you seen at a younger age?
JT: I, too, was a conventional liberal until I was in my 30s. I preferred being a liberal. Liberals are happy to consider themselves morally superior to conservatives (and certainly to anyone who could be called a “racist,” whatever that means). Also, liberalism is the driving, majority ethos of the United States, and it is more comfortable to agree with the majority. I clung desperately to liberalism. It was the study of history and economics as well as extensive travel in Europe and Africa that finally ground away my liberal illusions.
JH: How do you feel about the election of the first black President?
JT: It was bound to happen eventually, given the collapse of the white majority. Until 1965, we had an immigration policy designed to keep the country majority white. Since that time, the white percentage has declined from about 88 percent to perhaps 62 percent. Do not forget: 55 percent of whites voted for Mr. Obama’s opponent. Twenty years ago, any candidate who got 55 percent of the white vote became president. Now, a majority of whites can vote for a candidate but his opponent may win. In this sense, because of demographic change, you could say that whites did not get the president they wanted. Why should whites encourage that kind of change?
As for Mr. Obama, he encourages the population shifts that are displacing whites. He has sued a state that simply wants to enforce the duly established immigration laws that the federal government refuses to enforce. He wants to give amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, most of whom are non-white. In these respects, he is probably not much different from his main Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. However, even she would not have ordered the Justice Department to drop its voter-intimidation case against the New Black Panthers. This sort of thing is alienating whites.
JH: Describe the current state of race relations in America.
JT: Race is, and always will be, a serious social fault line in this country. Relative peace is maintained because whites tolerate “affirmative action” and massive non-white immigration. They do this because they are browbeaten and bamboozled into thinking it is wrong for whites to act in their own interests. This will not always be the case, and race relations will get worse as more and more whites begin to resist dispossession.
JH: What are your thoughts about people who say, "race doesn't matter?"
JT: They are fools. Race obviously matters. Ninety percent of the churches in the United States are at least 80 percent one race. Is that an accident? Residential segregation is not much different from patterns in the 1950s. Why is that? The NAACP, the Urban League, the Congressional Black Congress, the National Council of La Raza, the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), and literally thousands of other groups and associations are based deliberately and specifically on race. Try telling their members race doesn’t matter.
It is almost exclusively white people who say race doesn’t matter, and this is because they are the only people who are required at least to pretend that it doesn’t matter. This, in turn, is because they are not allowed to have explicit racial interests of their own, and must deliberately close their eyes to the racial chauvinism of others lest they acknowledge this anti-white double standard.
JH: Do you believe that there is a need to fight for civil rights in America?
JT: What do you mean by “civil rights”? People of all races have the same legal rights in the United States, so the “civil rights” struggle was won long ago. Many blacks and Hispanics seem to think racial preferences for themselves are “civil rights” but they are actually a power grab at the expense of whites.
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posted May 30, 2012 08:04 PM |
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Some good points, but also some inability to distinguish between correlation and causation, especially on some chicken-vs-egg issues.
Certainly in this day and age, most of it would be taken out of context and he'd be vilified by the media.
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posted May 30, 2012 11:57 PM |
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That guy speaks nonsense. Whites have no interest as a group. Only individuals have interests, and there are no real interests that are common to whites.
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posted May 31, 2012 12:21 AM |
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And what happens when induviduals agree on something? Groups get interest. What happens when groups agree with groups? Leagues are formed.
Groups exists, and induviduals are overrated, except Tesla.
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posted May 31, 2012 12:39 AM |
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But "whites" are not a group (in this sense), because they have no common interests related to being white. For example, if you're a member of a political party, you have common goals with other members of that party - putting more members in public office and enacting parts of the party's platform. If you belong to a book club, you have common goals with members of that club - reading certain books and discussing them. But what common goals do whites have? None. Who cares if a black or Chinese family moves in next door? Why does it matter if fewer people in my country look like me? I have more common goals/interests with some individuals of other races than I do with strangers of my race. Even among strangers, I have more in common with a black, Arab, Chinese, etc. academic/engineer/doctor/other educated person than I do with Billy Bob from the trailer park. Whites have no common goals.
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posted May 31, 2012 12:52 AM |
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@Mvass
The guy seemed to suggest that this is because white common goal is being repressed or dismissed as bigotry or common racism, thereby suffocating any benevolent route to achieving a common goal, or even the want for one.
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posted May 31, 2012 01:10 AM |
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If non-Hispanic whites feel they are losing out on jobs/opportunities/positions because of affirmative action or minority hiring quotas, that's a common cause or interest. White people in the US are fairly heterogeneous, culturally speaking, but not wholly so.
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posted May 31, 2012 07:05 AM |
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The guy seemed to suggest that this is because white common goal is being repressed or dismissed as bigotry or common racism,
Common goal? What common goal?
That guy has not got a clue of how a society works. He accepted "Racism" as inescapable and that all falls at the back of the "Godly" white race.
Perhaps he should go and ask why "Most" asians are so successful?
A hint: Education.
It can be proven,statistically, that education lowers the ammount of lowlifes in a society and increases the wealth of that society.
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Some good points,
Name a single one.
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Distinguish between correlation and causation, especially on some chicken-vs-egg issues.
Perhaps you should use a more informative language than that.Not everybody,that does not have your level understanding, can understand that.
Mind you on the "Chicken vs egg".As an atheist and someone who understands biology in "laymen" terms,the egg came first because it be proven that eggs came before birds existed.
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Certainly in this day and age, most of it would be taken out of context and he'd be vilified by the media.
A tragedy really.The only thing that clang to my mind in this pathetic interview was the mere fact that some states,like France,USA and co, have issues with their immigration.
This guy seems to not understand a simple fact and that is that WE live in a democracy.
If more than 50% of the population chooses a party that is tolerant to more "Evil Immigrants" than they, the losers, can scream or do whatever they can within the laws of a country. A citizen can be everyone.
See,Israel and Japan do selective immigration because they can,because of democracy. If his country is weak,then well its his problem.
He can "immigrate" to white lands if he wishes to. Russia has a magnificent nonperformance on keeping things attractive for immigrants.
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posted May 31, 2012 12:28 PM |
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back of the "Godly" white race.
Please quote the bit where he said this, for I've certainly not read anything like this (actually I read him claiming the contrary)
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No. I don’t know what the term white nationalist is supposed to mean. White supremacists presumably want to rule other races, and race realists have no such desire. I believe people of every race should be free to pursue their own destinies
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posted May 31, 2012 01:17 PM |
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N. Africa has a mix of whites, browns, and blacks, and racism is an issue that is minor at best. There is not some magic racist trait running rampant in the gene pool that makes people dislike each other. It is (primarily) an artificial calamity that exists due to historical conflicts as well as ongoing political ones.
People of the same race are an extended family? While that is technically true, I don't see the relevance of it. I have a lot more culturally in common with an African-American than I do with a Dutch guy living in Indonesia. I'd consider the former much more my extended family than the later, regardless if he's a few hundred extra generations disconnected from whoever our common ancestor was. It's culture & mutual interests that drive a people to be cooperative with one another.
I suspect he's right that such a thing as "white interests" will become more visible and definable as they are displaced from a dominating majority, but I don't foresee massive unrest from it. The angry white male vote will continue to be consistent, but not overly impressive. I wouldn't even guarantee that the word 'Hispanic' will still be commonly used several decades from now. The thing is: American culture is needlessly biased in favor of making minorities look larger than they actually are. A child born to a white parent and a black parent is considered a black child. A child born to a Hispanic parent and a white parent is considered a Hispanic child. A child born to a black parent and a Hispanic child? They would be considered a black Hispanic child. The truth is a lot less dumb than those simple classifications. The force that is displacing whites in the US are Latinos, and culturally, this really isn't a huge deal because South & Central Americans and N. Americans have a lot in common with each other. There's some degree of culture shock, but nothing earth-shattering compared to some guy from Nepal showing up in the US. Moreso, the wave of mass immigration from Mexico has officially receded. The 1990s are history. This means that the vast majority of the growing Latino population in the US will be from Latinos already living in the States having children. In other-words: they will be Americans. They will grow up and they will eat mayonnaise and cheeseburgers, and they'll also be bilingual. Whoop-die doo. This is a wonderful boon for the US in the future because it will "marry" us to the major emerging markets in South & Central America and provide an easier, more natural flow of manpower & talent in between the continents. Everybody wins from the arrangement. There is absolutely no reason that a white American should be dismal toward the future in regard to the changing demographic trends. I can't even think about the future without wearing sunglasses because it's so damn bright. ****.
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posted May 31, 2012 03:48 PM |
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Perhaps you should use a more informative language than that.Not everybody,that does not have your level understanding, can understand that.
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Just because there (might be) a correlation between race and education level does not (necessarily) mean that race causes changes in intelligence. He claims that NE asians have better test scores and such than whites and are therefore genetically predisposed to be smarter (and likewise whites are smarter than hispanics and hispanics smarter than blacks). Aside from the fact that "smart" and "intelligence" and even "IQ" are not very precisely defined terms, in particular with regards to genetics, an observed correlation between "intelligence" (however it is measured) and racial-genetics category does not imply that genetics causes, in part or in whole, the observed differences in intelligence. It could mean that, but it could be that there are other factors involved which aren't accounted for in the analysis, and those factors may or may not be genetic.
It's deeply flawed reasoning.
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Mind you on the "Chicken vs egg".As an atheist and someone who understands biology in "laymen" terms,the egg came first because it be proven that eggs came before birds existed.
First, it's just an rhetorical expression, not a question meant to be taken scientifically literally. But since you have taken it as such, I might as well point out that you don't know as much biology as you think you do. Evolution would tell us that the chicken and the egg arose simultaneously over a long period of time - neither one was first, and neither one was last, because chickens (or eggs) just didn't appear magically out of a vacuum.
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posted June 01, 2012 11:54 PM |
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Whites lose jobs to other whites all the time - much more often than they lose them to Hispanics. Men lose jobs to women, and human jobs are often automated and replaced by machines or obsoleted by technology. Very few are suggesting that women should go back to the kitchen or that technological progress should be forbidden if it threatens jobs. Many of the people who complain about Mexicans taking jobs from native-born Americans wouldn't even think of pressuring women to not take jobs or forbidding, say, factory owners from installing new machines in their factories. And yet the effect is the same.
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posted June 02, 2012 12:15 AM |
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The point was about affirmative action or positive discrimination, not about losing jobs to.
I can only agree 100% with him, I see every day in my job incompetent blacks or arabs getting the reward just because. I see also competent blacks and arabs getting the job before a less competent white native, and I don't have any problem with that. What disturbs me is the strong uneasiness around when two candidates of different races are competing.
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posted June 02, 2012 12:31 AM |
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Whites lose jobs to other whites all the time - much more often than they lose them to Hispanics. Men lose jobs to women, and human jobs are often automated and replaced by machines or obsoleted by technology. Very few are suggesting that women should go back to the kitchen or that technological progress should be forbidden if it threatens jobs.
I think what they complain about is:
1) losing out on a job because of affirmative discrimination. Losing the job because they are white or because they are a male.'
2) losing the job to an ILLEGAL immigrant. To a person who is in the US illegally (and who is hence a criminal.)
Many employers are afraid to hire or promote based on qualifications and dependability alone and factor in race and gender into their decisions. So called "reverse discrimination" is not that uncommon in my opinion.
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posted June 02, 2012 12:32 AM |
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(1) White men don't typically lose jobs to other white men who are less qualified for the jobs.
(2) I'm not talking only about jobs, but college admissions, prizes, awards, promotions, fellowships, scholarships, special recognitions, memberships and the ability to participate in and take advantage of special funding opportunities for a whole mess of things.
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posted June 14, 2012 01:22 PM |
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Okay, now on topic:
As you probably noticed (or didn't), we are currently the host for Euro 2012. And, we had a match : Poland vs. Russia in Warsaw. And, I've come to see another display of typical Polish hatred towards everything around them when Russian fans made a (official, accepted by gov) march. The internet (discussion boards, news boards, facebook) exploded with anti-Russian attitude. Gee. There was ONE guy with the CCCP sickle & hammer flag, and it was the RUSSIANS that told him to hide it - and Poles here -mostly young- are losing their minds how "commie" those guys are. Jesus.
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posted June 14, 2012 02:05 PM |
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Well, nothing brings out a regions snows quite like a sporting event.
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posted June 14, 2012 03:43 PM |
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I have not heard for any serious clashes between Poles and Greeks in the previous game. So I think the hatred is only against the Russians which is understandable due to “45 years communist occupation” propaganda. Young people (mostly teens) are susceptible to provocations. Also ostentation of the Russians is a reason for the disorder. Why did they have to make such a demonstrative march and why did the Polish government allow them? It was clear that this a tease and a reference to "commie time". When I read, several days before, on the newspaper that the Russians want to make a march I was sure that is going to happen something big. I heard that 8 people were convicted for incite to riot. Also the fight between some Russian fans and stewards after the match between Russia - Czech Rep probably is a reason for the fights on 12th.
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posted June 14, 2012 05:18 PM |
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So I think the hatred is only against the Russians which is understandable due to “45 years communist occupation” propaganda.
Modern Russians usually hate Bolshevism's crimes against their own people even more than Poles do, so the hatred isn't understandable, it's stupid, uneducated and illogical.
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posted June 16, 2012 02:16 AM |
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it's stupid, uneducated and illogical.
Oh, come on! You play so naive. Of course it's stupid, uneducated and illogical. Tell me, do you do everything right and logical. Look all around the world and tell everything is logical - economics, governments, diplomacy, bureaucracy, corruption and etc, even the science has its controversial points. It’s human behaviour to do stupid and illogical stuffs for sake of some idiotic ideas. Everything depends on the environment. When a kid is brought up to right-wing ideas in the family, on the street, at the stadium and so on, it is natural to profess the same ideas. Even history teachers emphasize certain points in history to raise national spirit. Nowadays the majority of teenagers do not like to read too much and enrich their knowledge. It is easiest to follow the trend. They follow old ideas which should to remain in 20th century. Most of them are not even aware of these ideas in depth. Big part of the hardcore fans in European football clubs are right-winged. Their ringleaders are the cause of those clashes throughout Europe when teams have international meetings.
So you’re right it's stupid, uneducated and illogical but it’s pretty understandable for me – environment’s upbringing.
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